Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Robin Däneke]

In osm, we are not mapping for the render, but for a correct database with the 
agreed on rules. The standard carto/slippy map is no transport render, the 
thunderforest and öpnvkarte (bus map) are. It does not matter what the standard 
render shows. Names are just names and not 100 of line numbers added to them. 
That is the task of relation, or extra (by standard non-rendered) tags if 
really needed. When the data is there, correctly, anybody can query it. That is 
the beauty of OSM vs, e.g Google Maps. There you see no lines (or stations) if 
there is no GTFS of the area and also can’t query anything more exact. In OSM 
that works, so no dirty „workarounds" needed.

> Am 17.07.2020 um 18:09 schrieb 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit 
> :
> 
> i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map the 
> street name because no one puts the
>  
> the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor see’s
>  
> not like the transit map where there is a route line.
>  
> the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know what 
> the route no. it is ?
>  
> Friday, July 17, 2020 5:02 AM -05:00 from Sander Deryckere 
> :
>  
> Hi, 
>  
> > editor does not show the route number
>  
> Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out 
> JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but 
> JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on 
> specific features (like bus routes).
>  
> Kind regards, 
> Sander 
>  
> Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit 
>  >:
>  
>  
>  
> Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org 
> :
> In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
> intersections, that is at where the street
>  
> sign is.
>  
>so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop tag 
> depending on the
>  
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
> tag ?
>  
> the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>  
>  
>  
> You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
> and select
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T 
> 
> or
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O 
> 
> both showing bus lines.
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Clay Smalley]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:10 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit <
talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map
> the street name because no one puts the
>
> the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor
> see’s
>
> not like the transit map where there is a route line.
>
> the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know
> what the route no. it is ?
>
>

By using something other than the standard map.

-Clay

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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit]

i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map the 
street name because no one puts the
 
the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor see’s
 
not like the transit map where there is a route line.
 
the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know what the 
route no. it is ?
  
>Friday, July 17, 2020 5:02 AM -05:00 from Sander Deryckere 
>:
> 
>Hi, 
>  > editor does not show the route number
> 
>Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out 
>JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but 
>JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on 
>specific features (like bus routes).
> 
>Kind regards, 
>Sander   
>Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit < 
>talk-transit@openstreetmap.org >:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by  talk-transit@openstreetmap.org :
>>>    In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
>>>intersections, that is at where the street
>>> 
>>>sign is.
>>> 
>>>   so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop 
>>>tag depending on the
>>> 
>>>editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
>>>tag ?
>>> 
>>>the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
>>and select
>>https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
>>or
>>https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Agustin Rissoli]

In OsmAnd you can do the same, touching the stop shows all the routes.
Alternatively at osm.org you can know the routes of a stop using the tool
"?"

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> If you click on a bus stop at http://openbusmap.org/ it will show you the
> routes that stop there. Is this closer to what you're looking for?
>
>  -Clay
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 6:16 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit <
> talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> > In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at
> > named intersections, that is at where the street
> >
> > sign is.
> >
> >so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop
> > tag depending on the
> >
> > editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on
> > the tag ?
> >
> > ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Sander Deryckere]

Hi,

> editor does not show the route number

Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out
JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but
JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on
specific features (like bus routes).

Kind regards,
Sander

Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit <
talk-transit@openstreetmap.org>:

>
>
>
> Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org:
>
> In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at
> named intersections, that is at where the street
>
> sign is.
>
>so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop
> tag depending on the
>
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on
> the tag ?
>
> ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>
>
>
>
> You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
> and select
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
> or
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
> both showing bus lines.
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> Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit]

Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org:

>     In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
> intersections, that is at where the street
>  
> sign is.
>  
>    so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop tag 
> depending on the
>  
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
> tag ?
>  
> ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>  
>  
>  
>
You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
and select 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
or
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
both showing bus lines.
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Dave F via Talk-transit]

The whole point of route relations is to allow multiple routes to be 
added to an individual object.


On 17/07/2020 02:15, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit wrote:
    In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at 
named intersections, that is at where the street

sign is.
   so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus 
stop tag depending on the
editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number 
on the tag ?

​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.

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[Talk-transit] bus stop name

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit]

    In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
intersections, that is at where the street 
 
sign is.
 
   so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop tag 
depending on the
 
editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the tag 
?
 
​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
 
 
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