Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-14 Thread Bill Ricker
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 We're trying to figure out whether this sign restricts the use of the
 road, or if it's BS:


It asserts their right to uninvite  someone who provokes them and then order
them to leave, on pain of arrest for tresspass.
The sign prima-facie denies a formal or traditional right of way; it denies
access=yes and access=permissive.

Lacking proof that OC or FL have recorded a formal RoW (i saw that search
for such was, unsurprisingly, negative), the OSM tradition is to map the
signage, right?

So this could be access=destination , which should allow routing at ends but
not for thru traffic.

If they weren't  graded Tertiary or better, they'd highway=service, same as
any shopping mall's access roads -- which ought to used for routes as if
access=destination  -- it's just a bigger and more elaborate road network
within a single bigger, more elaborate enterprise campus, so needs explicit.

( In practical terms it matters not much.  Unless the short-cutting vehicle
is a truck whose cab or trailer is labelled for a retail chain, or gets
stuck under a low overpass, it is very hard for WDW Security to tell
a trespasser is not a guest without following them gate to gate. To become a
guest momentarily, all you need do is pull into a WDW hotel parking area and
walk in to ask a question about diner reservations. And the sweep of Victory
makes it not a useful shortcut to anywhere.   )

Will be down there for a couple days soon, but no car this trip, may not
pass this sign even on bus. Will pass it in January. As an annual pass
holder and DVC member deeded to BLT, I will pass that sign with a
clear conscience.


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Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-14 Thread Bill Ricker
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes, although the removal of the guard does make it possible to avoid the
 main gate and parking fee by making the whole loop and turning around at the
 Car Care Center (guests includes all theme park visitors).


A guard on Vista never prevented that, as claiming a reservation(even just
for dinner) at a hotel would have been sufficient to get through either main
gate or side gate and thus to the loop. Only a guard, on the ramp from car
care loop to parking, actively checking parking receipts, could prevent
that.

And one can legitimately pick up or drop kiss-n-ride guests at the TTC
coming thru Victory or World Drive main gate without parking or paying.
(Which means your friends can ride the monorail for free, while you drive
back to Walgreens for free parking. But if they don't eventually go to a
park ticketing point, they're still liable to being deemed trespassing
unless otherwise guests somehow.)

Hmm  when we have a few days at SSP in JAN i may use that loop - will have
parking pass, so no need to go through gate to get a receipt, and would be
using Victory from SSP.

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