Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Martijn van Exel m at rtijn.org writes: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also) NE2 finished Ohio's route relations at such speed that I gave up updating our status page. [1] The county route relations haven’t seen much progress lately, due to a lack of motivation from the shield renderer project. ;-) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/State_routes -- Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USGS topo maps not working?
Thanks Ian. I guess that'll have to do! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Fixed the crossdomain.xml problem as best I can tell, but now seeing that there's just not any data there. Looks like the USGS is returning white tiles for zooms 13 in that area. http://tile.openstreetmap.us/usgs_scanned_topos/preview.html#13/45.1929/-85.5724 On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear that the crossdomain.xml file Flash is expecting to be there isn't. I'm trying to get it to show up now... On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Ben Miller bborkmil...@gmail.comwrote: The USGS topographic map layer isn't appearing for me as a background in Potlatch. I'm looking at it in this general area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.18018lon=-85.57084zoom=15layers=M Is this layer turned off / on the fritz / just very slow? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared
Frederik - Thank you for taking the time to write up your impressions (and for coming out to San Francisco in the first place) - this is really helpful for creating better conferences. tea, chocolate and delicate mini cakes during practially all the breaks ;) You can't beat that :) On the note of conferences - everyone check out State of the Map in Birmingham, I am looking forward to being there. http://2013.stateofthemap.org/ I also know there are still sponsorship opportunities, so get your employers to support a great OpenStreetMap conference! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, this year I was at SOTM-US for the first time, and immediately thereafter travelled to the German-language version of FOSS4G, the FOSSGIS conference. There were lots of similarities - but also big contrasts. Below is a personal comparison that might or might not be useful or interesting. Both conferences were about the same size. I think FOSSGIS had a few more talks but SOTM-US had a few more visitors. Alas, FOSSGIS has three tracks of which traditionally one is exclusively OSM and the others are about other open source GIS stuff that might touch OSM but not necessarily so - so the number of pure OSM talks was probably higher at SOTM-US. SOTM-US was held in San Francisco, the (Wikipedia) leading financial and cultural centre of Northern California with about 800k inhabitants, and FOSSGIS was held in Rapperswil, a town of 8,000 half an hour away from Zurich, in Switzerland. Which might explain why at FOSSGIS we were greeted by the mayor and the president of the university, who said that because his university is on the shore of Lake Zurich, during the summer months he occasionally feels like he's running a swimming pool and not a university. Surprisingly, public transport was excellent in both locations; getting to the conference location from the airport was unproblematic. Both conferences covered their expenses through sponsorship, ticket sales, and paid-for workshops. Both offered sponsors the option of setting up a little booth. FOSSGIS has been doing that for a long time; for SOTM-US I don't if this was new. At FOSSGIS, as a community member, my entry was free but I was charged EUR 60 for the food and drink flat rate at the social event (pre-dinner beers and dinner at a farm house in walking distance); at SOTM-US, even speakers had to pay the US$75 ticket price but the social events were essentially parties thrown by different companies and as such, free of charge. The social event at FOSSGIS offered fantastic views over Lake Zurich and the mountains beyond; the social events at SOTM-US allowed one to catch a glimpse of what working for Stamen or Code for America is like. (Both offices were very cool in their own way. Although I doubt there's free beer during business hours.) On a third night, MapBox treated us to drinks at a local bar. Sponsors were very unobtrusive at both conferences. I knew it was like that at FOSSGIS but I was positively surprised by SOTM-US which, being held in the Land of the Free and of Unfettered Market Capitalism, I had feared might confront myself with much more sponsor messages than my European soul could take. In the end it was not a problem at all (big thank you to the sponsors at this point). Both conferences were held at universities, however SOTM-US was at a proper conference centre, whereas for FOSSGIS we used the normal student auditoriums. This has a certain tradition with FOSSGIS which is in many respects a low-budget event and doesn't spend a lot of money on being classy - if it is good enough for students then it is good enough for FOSSGIS. Video recording was through volunteers at FOSSGIS, and through paid professionals at SOTM-US; the FOSSGIS volunteers did an excellent job but of course student auditoriums are not as well prepared for recording as a conference centre. This year, for the first time since I can remember, FOSSGIS got the name badges right - large font, on lanyards, dual sided. It used to be a running gag with FOSSGIS about what would go wrong this time - either the font is too small, or only one side is printed and it flips over all the time, or whatnot. The name badges at SOTM-US were unremarkably professional - you didn't even notice that everything was right about them. (Good designers can probably tell a tale of this - if you do things just right, nobody will notice.) One small thing that struck me as extremely useful at SOTM-US was the programme booklet. Spring-bound, so you could easily have it flipped to the right page for the current day and small enough to fit in your pocket - the ideal utility for the conference nomad! FOSSGIS usually has a couple sheets of copied paper which are no match to a neat booklet. Definitely worth imitating. (FOSSGIS, to its defense, has a free, full-size, 140-page bound volume of conference proceedings
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared
Serge - You're not doing yourself justice as initiator and organizer of what are the first sprint days at a US State of the Map. I actually think the sprint days went very well - we had amazing turn out for both days and great work happened. So: I see absolutely no need to feel badly and thank you for pushing on making them happen. I agree there is room for improvement. Aside from clearer comms, the biggest challenge is a great venue that has great internet, is accessible, allows for being all in the same general space while breaking out into groups. All within budget :) We know what's needed here, looking forward to nailing this next year. I also like the idea of lightning talks for next year's conference. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik, Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints. I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them. First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a hack day, I don't blame you, for two reasons, but that I hope this changes in the future. 1. OSM does not have institutional experience with sprints It was evident to me that many OSMers were interested in the sprints, but had only attendeded hack days, so to them, the terms were synonymous. They are not. A sprint is far more organized, more like BoF sessions going on, each with their own space. Imagine if a conference tried to have every BoF going on simultaneously in one space at the same time. This wouldn't work, and so what we had at the event was the equivalent. 2. There were not sufficient resources were not put into the sprints Running sprints is expensive. It requires multiple rooms, or a very large room with lots of room for groups to work independently of one another, out of each others way In addition, I had expected that we would have a session for lightening talks, as we'd had in previous years. Lightening talks are key to getting sprints going, as it gives the opportunity for sprint organizers to talk about their project and lay out the goals for the sprints (which are very result-oriented). It was a surprise to me that we didn't have lightening talks, and by the time I found out, it was too late to change the situation, and so there wasn't any coordinated efforts around the sprints. Lastly, the number of days we were sprinting changed from two, to one, back to two, and the information about the sprints changed on the website. This lead to a lot of confusion in folks' mind. The feedback I received has been very positive on this topic, though, with more developers coming together than we had ever had before at a single OSM event (roughly 10% of attendees attended one or both sprint days). There is clear willingness by the community to work on challenging technical issues. I am hopeful that given the amount of interest, that sprints will be featured next year, and will be given proper resources. In addition, we should re-introduce the lightening talks, and bring up the sprints, and sprint coordination, at the opening ceremony, and again at a closing ceremony (which we also didn't have this year). I'll be doing my best to make sure this happens next year so that we move towards a more successful sprint in 2014. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki page should fairly accurately reflect reality: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Curious if you guys are using US:KS for the network, which would fit the pattern or not? I ask because on the way's ref tags, some people are correctly using KS, but others are just using K. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki page should fairly accurately reflect reality: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Following up on this as a reminder, let's get together at 5PM Pacific / 8PM Eastern to see how we can make this happen. Again, I am willing to put in time, but I will need help. I prefer a Google hangout but IRC works for me as well. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.comwrote: I did spend some time trying to set up Phil's code myself for eventual deployment to the osm-us server. I got a good chunk of the way there but ran into some problems. I'll see if I can put some more time into it now that I'm home again. Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Yes, the relations are all tagged correctly with network=US:KS. As for the ref on the ways, anything I've touched is KS. There was another user who did a bunch as K-xx for a while but I think I convinced him that we should go with KS and put K-xx in a loc_ref tag or something like that. Toby On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if you guys are using US:KS for the network, which would fit the pattern or not? I ask because on the way's ref tags, some people are correctly using KS, but others are just using K. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki page should fairly accurately reflect reality: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Wondering if there may be a better way to collaborate on route maintenance, a way to see if routes are being maintained / created per area, and by whom... Oh wait, that would be the groups feature we are working on[1]. [1] https://github.com/osmlab/datadashboard/issues/1 and https://github.com/osmlab/openstreetmap-website/tree/groups-sketch On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if you guys are using US:KS for the network, which would fit the pattern or not? I ask because on the way's ref tags, some people are correctly using KS, but others are just using K. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki page should fairly accurately reflect reality: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
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Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Following up on this as a reminder, let's get together at 5PM Pacific / 8PM Eastern to see how we can make this happen. Again, I am willing to put in time, but I will need help. I prefer a Google hangout but IRC works for me as well. I'll join in the hangout. Happy to do some work towards this. Anyone have a sense of which states are in the worst shape? --Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
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I've been doing a lot of work on the FM and RM roads already. The RM's should all be done already. The FM roads are done for everything west of I-35, except for the Panhandle, where I was just straightening and not adding relations. Anything I've worked on Everything is done generally north of I-30 and south I-10, and a good section of East Texas. It's slow and methodical. Check my changesets for examples. The Interstates, US Routes, and main State highways are already done. My next step after FM's is the FM and RM spurs (!). I haven't been adding anything to the wiki, as I didn't really feel there was a need and it increases the workload 10fold. Jason user: 25or6to4 Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
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It's US:TX:FM for FM roads, and US:TX:RM for RM roads. There may be little to no overlap between RM and FM, and they may serve the same purpose, but I see no need to go through them all and change all of them to one network. They are different networks according to the state of Texas. On Jun 19, 2013 12:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
I'm pretty confident (but with G+ you never know) that this is the event link: https://plus.google.com/events/casn33o1v25faad4jvocqdu1jg4 Info on the actual hangout link should appear there shortly before we start. Martijn On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's US:TX:FM for FM roads, and US:TX:RM for RM roads. There may be little to no overlap between RM and FM, and they may serve the same purpose, but I see no need to go through them all and change all of them to one network. They are different networks according to the state of Texas. On Jun 19, 2013 12:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags
An update to the talk-us pages on what most here might feel got typed to death in a lengthy thread. Kerry and I have recently exchanged over a dozen missives, resulting in substantial improvement in how OSM captures data representing national bicycle routes. However, due to slower render cycles, the Cycle Map layer (OCM) has catching up to do, especially at wider zoom levels. Correctly (well, SUBSTANTIALLY correctly!) tagged are completed routes as part of the USBR system: e.g. USBR 1 and 76, USBR 20 and 35 in Michigan, with route=bicycle + network=ncn + ref=#. Additionally, the (confusing and usually incorrect) tagging NE2 added to many state routes (network=rcn) is being slowly but surely removed as it is untangled from these routes due to what Kerry knows first-hand: most of these ncn=proposed tags were added as NE2 wrongly believed that ACA's map from AASHTO showing 50-mile-wide corridors = a correct assertion that state routes in these corridors can be promoted to proposed national routes. Cooler heads agree: they most certainly cannot. There seem to be a tiny handful of state routes that state-produced DOT documents assert should become USBR #xy or are recommended to be promoted to a national route in the USBR corridor and in those few cases, an additional ncn=proposed tag may be added to the existing network=rcn + ref = state_route_# tags on the route relation. Where and whether to do this remains a fluid decision, Kerry has a finger directly on this pulse. Due to slow OCM rendering, Kerry and I also use the (rendered daily) lonvia maps produced by Sarah Hoffman (see http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=5lat=36.57lon=-93.53hill=0.375route=1) as a more up-to-date visualization tool. Right about now, that map comes closer to displaying a reasonable facsimile of national bicycle routes in the USA (though state/regional routes remain under construction). For better or worse, the waymarkedtrails.org map does not respect proposed tags, it only shows ACTUAL national, state and local routes (and its zoom levels to do so are different than OCM's). This allows two renderers to be used for two purposes: Sarah's waymarkedtrails.org renderer can be a (substantially closer to correct) representation of REAL bicycle routes, while Andy's OCM renderer can be a fair representation of REAL + PROPOSED bicycle routes. (If only OCM refreshed tiles a bit more often!). I write this to show what careful, polite collaboration between somebody familiar with on-the-ground semantics (Kerry) and somebody familiar with the syntax of OSM/OCM/rendering (me) can do together to promote harmony, allowing for better visualization of wide-area bicycle routing. Bicycle routing, especially at state and national levels, involves coordination among large numbers of people, requires public process, and takes months and years. OSM stands ready to accommodate with rich syntax and multiple renderings that correctly visually communicate to relevant parties a reasonably current state of these endeavors. Kerry and I will likely continue to coordinate OSM efforts on bicycle routes at the state level, growing additional OSM community. So, there is still substantial work ahead. Though it is only partial for now, and we expect it to become much better in the future, I wish to offer this little slice of effort as a true success story for OSM: from a strong urge to promote more fresh and accurate wide-area bicycle route mapping (in the USA and worldwide), OSM, in its wonderful richness and with multiple renderings, delivers. Nice cloud we have here, OSM! SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
TxDOT is cited in Wikipedia as documenting them as being the same network (farm to market), and no RM and FM have the same number. They just change the sign to RM when the route primarily passes through ranches instead of farms. According to TxDOT, there is exactly one Ranch Road, being RR 1, the rest are farm to market. It's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of the Texas highway system, sort of like the nebulous distinction between Park Roads and Rec Roads. On Jun 19, 2013 5:22 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's US:TX:FM for FM roads, and US:TX:RM for RM roads. There may be little to no overlap between RM and FM, and they may serve the same purpose, but I see no need to go through them all and change all of them to one network. They are different networks according to the state of Texas. On Jun 19, 2013 12:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Does the Wikipedia bit have a cited source? I can understand that being true; I just want to verify. The Texas Highway Designation Files list them as two separate types. On Jun 19, 2013 8:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: TxDOT is cited in Wikipedia as documenting them as being the same network (farm to market), and no RM and FM have the same number. They just change the sign to RM when the route primarily passes through ranches instead of farms. According to TxDOT, there is exactly one Ranch Road, being RR 1, the rest are farm to market. It's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of the Texas highway system, sort of like the nebulous distinction between Park Roads and Rec Roads. On Jun 19, 2013 5:22 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's US:TX:FM for FM roads, and US:TX:RM for RM roads. There may be little to no overlap between RM and FM, and they may serve the same purpose, but I see no need to go through them all and change all of them to one network. They are different networks according to the state of Texas. On Jun 19, 2013 12:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.orgwrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
