Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM,  o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote:

 I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any
 normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard
 to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like
 myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you don't have to.

I think that you are combining two separate issues.  Perhaps there is
no causation from sucky ontology to  hard to get new mappers.

On the matter of getting new mappers.  Perhaps we'll just won't be
satisfied until everybody on the planet is also an OpenStreetMap
contributor.  That would be awesome.  I've written about mapper
motivation and outreach before.  I'll leave that one alone for now.

You aren't the first to suggest that the ontology sucks.  There have
been previous similar declarations.  I recall a presentation at State
of the Map 2010 in Girona, Spain.  Have a look at the slides and video
by David Earl and see if things have changed at all.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2010_session:_Tag_Central:_a_Schema_for_OSM

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Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
The fact of the matter is that we don't have any numbers to back any
of these claims up. Perhaps out ontology puts people off - perhaps
not. Perhaps the launch of iD has led to more new sign-ups becoming
recurring mappers - perhaps not. Maybe the increased visibility of OSM
is a factor? Maybe the edit-a-thons have something to do with it?

We just don't know.

That does not mean we should stop trying. All the things people have
pointed out that may put new mappers off need attention. I don't think
there is any one secret recipe to attracting and retaining new
mappers. There are simple things everyone can do today and that do not
require months of discussion and building new tools: offer a warm
welcome to new mappers: be courteous, friendly and reach out a helping
hand. Subscribe to an RSS feed for local new mappers[1] and send them
a welcome email[2]. Start or become active in a local group.

Best
Martijn

[1] map here: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php - you can
create your own RSS feed there - here's a recipe to send notifications
to your smartphone: https://ifttt.com/myrecipes/personal/1634033
[2] some examples here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group#New_mapper_messages

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM,  o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote:

 I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any
 normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its 
 hard
 to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like
 myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you don't have to.

 I think that you are combining two separate issues.  Perhaps there is
 no causation from sucky ontology to  hard to get new mappers.

 On the matter of getting new mappers.  Perhaps we'll just won't be
 satisfied until everybody on the planet is also an OpenStreetMap
 contributor.  That would be awesome.  I've written about mapper
 motivation and outreach before.  I'll leave that one alone for now.

 You aren't the first to suggest that the ontology sucks.  There have
 been previous similar declarations.  I recall a presentation at State
 of the Map 2010 in Girona, Spain.  Have a look at the slides and video
 by David Earl and see if things have changed at all.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2010_session:_Tag_Central:_a_Schema_for_OSM

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Martijn van Exel
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OpenStreetMap
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http://osm.org/

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