Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Paul Norman]

> From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06 PM
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap
> Subject: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
> 
> I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
> something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
> highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
> names before trying to find a match?

I would consider OSMI correct here. The directional affixes are a 
Significant part of the address and should be included, so either the 
addr:street or street's name tag are wrong, or there's some other error.

I'm in Vancouver, BC, but this holds true most places I've been for at
least *some* of the roads in the area.


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Re: [Talk-us] Last call spring #editathon

[Alan McConchie]

We had a big turnout in San Francisco, with about 40 people showing up over the 
course of the day. We think we had a peak of about 30 people all at the same 
time in the early afternoon, around 2-3pm. By the end of the day the numbers 
dwindled to about a dozen.

Big thanks to Telenav for buying pizzas for the contributors who stayed until 
dinner time!

I wrote up a post (including pictures) on the Stamen blog here: 
http://content.stamen.com/openstreetmap_spring_editathon

Alan


On Apr 29, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Steven Johnson  wrote:

> I'll amplify Alex' comment about our DC editathon by adding that two of our 
> participants were a father-son team mapping their neighborhood. Let's do more 
> to encourage parents to bring their kids and get youthful mappers in the 
> pipeline. Get 'em started young and make lifelong mappers out of 'em. 
> 
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
> 
> There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from 
> incomplete data.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Alex Barth  wrote:
> DC went great with about 25 people showing up. Had a great conversation here 
> with steven johnson about going more directly after student participants. 
> Maybe a model for other editathons too? For dc, it definitely helps branding 
> the editathon as explicitly open to beginners. We routinely have about 10 
> pple show up who havent done much openstreetmap before.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 27, 2014, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> I got pretty much no response locally to the idea, but then discovered that 
> eastern Oklahoma was already awash in events this weekend.  I ultimately went 
> to Wild Nights and I'm doing laundry now.  I believe we also had a couple big 
> renfaires and a maker's fair in the region this weekend, and next weekend's 
> another big renfaire weekend.  Aah, the perils of trying to organize an 
> editathon in a part of the country where nerdy pursuits are mainstream!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
> This weekend the annual OpenStreetMap spring #editathon takes place in the US.
> 
> Are you planning to host an #editathon this upcoming weekend?
> 
> Put your place on the list to be in the blog announcement on openstreetmap.us 
> tomorrow: 
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Spring_Editathon_2014
> 
> Learn all about #editathon's here: 
> http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many
> situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of "South Apple
> Tree Road" but the house has an addr:street tag of just "Apple Tree
> Road". This leads to a "street not found" error.
>
> I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
> something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
> highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
> names before trying to find a match?
>

Please keep the check in until data would indicate we should change it.
I've been trying to clean up roads in my county, which is rural. Street
signs in some places have no direction indicator even though local know the
street as East Fir (for example.) Making it worse, the counties parcel data
has both parcels with and without direction prefix.

Today I was out resolving notes. County data/TIGER had a road with three
segments. The end two were Avenue and the middle was Street. The OSMI tools
is great for finding these types of errors. In King County we used your
tool to with the county to show addresses that did not match the streets.

Let me add to what Richard Weait said, this is a great tool. Thanks to you
for creating the tools and Geotab for expanding the coverage.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Richard Welty]

On 4/29/14 4:08 PM, Phil! Gold wrote:
> * Frederik Ramm  [2014-04-29 21:05 +0200]:
>> In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many
>> situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of "South Apple
>> Tree Road" but the house has an addr:street tag of just "Apple Tree
>> Road". This leads to a "street not found" error.
addr:street should probably be compared to both name and alt_name
>
> (The reverse is more interesting; if a house has address "15 South Apple
> Tree Road" but the street signs on that road say, "Apple Tree Road", I
> don't think there's complete consensus on how to tag that, though the most
> common approach, from what I've seen, is to name the road's way "South
> Apple Tree Road".)
>
and i'd probably be inclined to put the signed version in name, and the
alternate in alt_name

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Phil! Gold]

* Frederik Ramm  [2014-04-29 21:05 +0200]:
> In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many
> situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of "South Apple
> Tree Road" but the house has an addr:street tag of just "Apple Tree
> Road". This leads to a "street not found" error.

I think this should always be an error.  The address tag should not drop
words that are in the street name.

(The reverse is more interesting; if a house has address "15 South Apple
Tree Road" but the street signs on that road say, "Apple Tree Road", I
don't think there's complete consensus on how to tag that, though the most
common approach, from what I've seen, is to name the road's way "South
Apple Tree Road".)

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Richard Welty]

On 4/29/14 3:31 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>> I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
>> something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
>> highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
>> names before trying to find a match?
> Oh, nice!  And, if you have thoughts on this, please indicate the area
> for which your feedback applies.  There may be regional differences.
one example - in St. Petersburg Florida, the direction is important;
26th Avenue North is a completely different street from 26th Avenue
South (they are 51 blocks apart) and the addr:street tag would be in
error if it omitted the North/South.

26th Avenue North and 26th Avenue Northeast in St. Pete is also
a meaningful difference, they are connected but the directional
changes from one to the other at 1st Street North.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Clay Smalley]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:

> I vote for keeping this check in place (i.e. an exact match of the street
> name), because there are some places (in California, I think) where the
> prefix/suffix changes from North to West as you are driving down the road,
> and I believe it's important that we distinguish between the two.


This is true. In many cases there will be a separate 123 North Elm Street
and 123 South Elm Street, and by chopping off the directional prefix, these
two houses get ambiguous addresses. My best guess is that the addr:street
tag is mistaken.
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Saikrishna Arcot]

I vote for keeping this check in place (i.e. an exact match of the street 
name), because there are some places (in California, I think) where the 
prefix/suffix changes from North to West as you are driving down the road, and 
I believe it's important that we distinguish between the two.

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On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 09:05:41 PM Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
> something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
> highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
> names before trying to find a match?


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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Richard Weait]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
[ ... ]
> I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
> something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
> highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
> names before trying to find a match?

Oh, nice!  And, if you have thoughts on this, please indicate the area
for which your feedback applies.  There may be regional differences.

Thanks again to Geotab for sponsoring the expansion of the address
inspector to global coverage.  And to Geofabrik for creating it in the
first place!

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[Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   the OSM Inspector address layer now has world-wide coverage thanks to
a sponsorship from Geotab in Canada - I believe that this has already
been mentioned here.

In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many
situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of "South Apple
Tree Road" but the house has an addr:street tag of just "Apple Tree
Road". This leads to a "street not found" error.

I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this
something that nobody really cares about and that should not be
highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street
names before trying to find a match?

Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] Last call spring #editathon

[Steven Johnson]

I'll amplify Alex' comment about our DC editathon by adding that two of our
participants were a father-son team mapping their neighborhood. Let's do
more to encourage parents to bring their kids and get youthful mappers in
the pipeline. Get 'em started young and make lifelong mappers out of 'em.

-- SEJ
-- twitter: @geomantic
-- skype: sejohnson8

There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from
incomplete data.


On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> DC went great with about 25 people showing up. Had a great conversation
> here with steven johnson about going more directly after student
> participants. Maybe a model for other editathons too? For dc, it definitely
> helps branding the editathon as explicitly open to beginners. We routinely
> have about 10 pple show up who havent done much openstreetmap before.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 27, 2014, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> I got pretty much no response locally to the idea, but then discovered
>> that eastern Oklahoma was already awash in events this weekend.  I
>> ultimately went to Wild Nights  and I'm
>> doing laundry now.  I believe we also had a couple big renfaires and a
>> maker's fair in the region this weekend, and next weekend's another big
>> renfaire weekend.  Aah, the perils of trying to organize an editathon in a
>> part of the country where nerdy pursuits are mainstream!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Alex Barth wrote:
>>
>>> This weekend the annual OpenStreetMap spring #editathon takes place in
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> Are you planning to host an #editathon this upcoming weekend?
>>>
>>> Put your place on the list to be in the blog announcement on
>>> openstreetmap.us tomorrow:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Spring_Editathon_2014
>>>
>>> Learn all about #editathon's here:
>>> http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Last call spring #editathon

[Clifford Snow]

Seattle's event had a good turn out. We had about 9 people, although some
people came late and others left early. We had a mix of new people and
experienced ones. Thanks to the OSM-US we now have OSM vests that Paul
Norman brought down from Vancouver. It is interesting that we had new
people that have never mapped before and new to OSM but have a background
in GIS. As a side note, the iD introduction is great for getting people
going. We just have to help with how to tag items.

We did have a lively discussion on copying data (don't.)

Now, where are the statistics from this weekend?


On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> DC went great with about 25 people showing up. Had a great conversation
> here with steven johnson about going more directly after student
> participants. Maybe a model for other editathons too? For dc, it definitely
> helps branding the editathon as explicitly open to beginners. We routinely
> have about 10 pple show up who havent done much openstreetmap before.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 27, 2014, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> I got pretty much no response locally to the idea, but then discovered
>> that eastern Oklahoma was already awash in events this weekend.  I
>> ultimately went to Wild Nights  and I'm
>> doing laundry now.  I believe we also had a couple big renfaires and a
>> maker's fair in the region this weekend, and next weekend's another big
>> renfaire weekend.  Aah, the perils of trying to organize an editathon in a
>> part of the country where nerdy pursuits are mainstream!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Alex Barth wrote:
>>
>>> This weekend the annual OpenStreetMap spring #editathon takes place in
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> Are you planning to host an #editathon this upcoming weekend?
>>>
>>> Put your place on the list to be in the blog announcement on
>>> openstreetmap.us tomorrow:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Spring_Editathon_2014
>>>
>>> Learn all about #editathon's here:
>>> http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] weekly metro extracts

[Richard Weait]

Thank you for picking these up, Randy.

One of the common newcomer questions on the various channels is some variant of 
"how do I work with some portion of the OpenStreetMap data set?"  I'm sure that 
we'll be pointing folks to these as well as the extracts from Geofabrik.

It's also nice to see you giving credit to the earlier version of metro 
extracts by Mike Migurski.  Not everybody plays fair by giving credit. It's 
nice that you do. 

Best regards and happy mapping,

Richard
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Re: [Talk-us] Last call spring #editathon

[Alex Barth]

DC went great with about 25 people showing up. Had a great conversation
here with steven johnson about going more directly after student
participants. Maybe a model for other editathons too? For dc, it definitely
helps branding the editathon as explicitly open to beginners. We routinely
have about 10 pple show up who havent done much openstreetmap before.

On Sunday, April 27, 2014, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> I got pretty much no response locally to the idea, but then discovered
> that eastern Oklahoma was already awash in events this weekend.  I
> ultimately went to Wild Nights  and I'm doing
> laundry now.  I believe we also had a couple big renfaires and a maker's
> fair in the region this weekend, and next weekend's another big renfaire
> weekend.  Aah, the perils of trying to organize an editathon in a part of
> the country where nerdy pursuits are mainstream!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Alex Barth 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> This weekend the annual OpenStreetMap spring #editathon takes place in
>> the US.
>>
>> Are you planning to host an #editathon this upcoming weekend?
>>
>> Put your place on the list to be in the blog announcement on
>> openstreetmap.us tomorrow:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Spring_Editathon_2014
>>
>> Learn all about #editathon's here:
>> http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
>>
>> Alex
>>
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