[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2014-10-01
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US. Past a certain level of experience, the numbers lose value, but I wouldn't consider someone with only a few edits per year a good choice who would understand what's required to get the US map up to the level of those in countries with similar demographics. I couldn’t disagree with this statement more. This is a simplistic, naïve, and exclusive definition of “understanding” that devalues other types of knowledge and contributions. The OSM.us webpage says: We support the OpenStreetMap project in the United States through education, fostering awareness, ensuring broad availability of data, continuous quality improvement, and an active community.” and We support OpenStreetMap by holding annual conferences, providing community resources, building partnerships, and by spreading the word.” Nowhere in there does it say “making lots of edits”. I can think of any number of skills that would be more valuable to the board in particular than skill in editing. 1) Fundraising 2) Community Outreach 3) Running Workshops 4) Conference Organizing 5) Grant Writing 6) Marketing 7) Volunteer Recruiting Organizing I could think of more. In fact, I can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota. Darrell___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Darrell, Paul did say that it was a rudimentary analysis. It is. It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Their candidacy statements are another lens. Your interaction with each candidate on lists, at conferences, and through social media is another (or another three) lens(es). Of course you are free to disagree with him. One might suggest that an experienced board member may have forgotten what it is like to be a beginner and thus would be less able to understand and address the challenges faced by new mappers. I agree with this statement to a point; not every experienced mapper is an effective coach for new mappers. Measuring and evaluating that hypothesis would be a challenge. :-) Darrell, you say that you can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota. I believe that Paul addresses that directly in his statement, When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US. I also see the benefits of the supplemental skills list that you added in your email Darrell. I wouldn't argue against a candidate who brings useful supplemental skills, such as the ones you list. That said, it is my understanding that some of those tasks are already handled, in part, by other volunteers. If I remember correctly, the DC event organization team included several non-board members. Also, it is my understanding that the bulk of local events in the US are run by local volunteers. Both of those are true on the international scale when you look at OSMF, and the Working Groups. Paul, did you take alternate accounts into consideration, or only one uid per candidate? Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On Oct 3, 2014, at 08:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Sure, I get that. I’m just saying it’s at best a meaningless lens, and a misleading one at worst. Darrell, you say that you can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota. I believe that Paul addresses that directly in his statement, When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US.” Yes, he does, but I’m saying Paul’s wrong. There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I don’t see number of edits to be useful in the least, especially since it’s measuring something irrelevant to what a board member is actually expected to do. See, for instance, Martijn’s excellent outline: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2014-September/013612.html I don’t see anything in that description that required editing experience. (Relatedly, I’d be curious to see some of the TODO lists, but the github repo seems to be private.) Darrell ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 20:13, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org ha scritto: There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I'm not sure, how would someone know what it is about without having done it? cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Questions for board nominees
I’d be curious if the board nominees could answer a few questions. 1) What do you think the OSM.us organization does well? 2) Where do you think it “needs improvement? 3) What are two initiatives you’d like to the board to undertake during your tenure? 3a) How can you contribute to those? 3b) How would you measure their success? Darrell ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 20:13, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org ha scritto: There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I'm not sure, how would someone know what it is about without having done it? I'm not going to go quite as far as Darrell in saying that it's a meaningless measure, but we're talking about the Board here. I'll argue that a well-functioning Board should have representatives skilled in such things as publicity, outreach, fundraising, accounting, activism, perhaps some amount of legal. It's great if Board members are actively editing, but people can get an effective understanding of what OSM is about without being an active editor. Other measures that I mentioned over IRC yesterday would be things like GitHub activity, which includes both code to OSM projects (e.g., openstreetmap-carto or the rails port) and OSM-US-related process. State of the Map US is planned via GitHub issues, and the valuable work of gathering sponsors, scheduling, organizing sessions, selecting scholarship winners, etc. is buried there, and lost in google hangouts. And with all these measures, assessing quantity is a lot easier than assessing quality. Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
While it would be nice if a candidate has some editing experience It has nothing to do with being on the OSM US Board. I was on it for two years..we discussed editing, planned mapping events, and planned a conference. That was it. Neither of which had any bearing on that candidates experience with editing. Stick with the manifestos and plans to rule the world - editing isn't valid in this case (IMO). Randy Worst OSM US Treasurer Ever Hale. On 10/03/2014 02:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 20:13, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org ha scritto: There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I'm not sure, how would someone know what it is about without having done it? cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Questions for board nominees
On 10/3/14 2:51 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: I’d be curious if the board nominees could answer a few questions. 1) What do you think the OSM.us organization does well? a: SOTM-US has been consistently excellent in recent years b: organizing events such as mapathons 2) Where do you think it “needs improvement? a: we have talked about things like presenting a US oriented map rendering on openstreetmap.us but that hasn't gone very far. a US rendering with the experimental shield stuff would be lovely. b: we need to finish up the 501(c)3 status c: we have some largish servers but maybe need to think about what services we want to make available on them and for whom we do that d: we have talked about the challenges of improving the on ramp for the project for newbies, but there is still work to be done there. 3) What are two initiatives you’d like to the board to undertake during your tenure? 3a) How can you contribute to those? 3b) How would you measure their success? a: finishing off the 501(c)3 is important to the financial future of OSM US b: improve on ramp in order to improve our stats for new users who turn into active mappers richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 08:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Sure, I get that. I’m just saying it’s at best a meaningless lens, and a misleading one at worst. I must say that I disagree strongly with your message, and that your tone is extremely disrespectful. Paul is giving information about the candidates, whether you choose to vote based on it or other criteria is your choice, but I feel that your messages are downright rude to Paul. I don’t see anything in that description that required editing experience. (Relatedly, I’d be curious to see some of the TODO lists, but the github repo seems to be private.) If you don't feel that participating in the core activity that this community is founded on is important- then *that is your choice*, but calling is misleading, etc. is really beyond the pale IMHO. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Hi folks. Let's keep it civil and on-topic. Check the strong language and exaggerations please. -Ian, your friendly talk-us moderator ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On 10/3/2014 8:28 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Paul, did you take alternate accounts into consideration, or only one uid per candidate? I only used the user that was linked from the candidate list. I considered multiple IDs, but I didn't expect it to make a significant difference for my uses. E.g. Ian has made a substantial number of edits, regardless of if imports are counted, and certainly beyond that level I alluded to earlier, where the details of experience don't matter. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
