Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 21:23, Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ha scritto: It has nothing to do with being on the OSM US Board. I was on it for two years..we discussed editing, Neither of which had any bearing on that candidates experience with editing. if you are discussing editing it will surely help in the discussion to have edited yourself ;-) would you ask a catholic priest about raising kids? You'd surely get an answer, but it will remain highly theoretical;-) cheers Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Of Course! The entire priest example could fix many problems...but that is a longer discussion over drinks. The US is a huge place and OSM is still this thing people hear about and don't understand. I've taught two (by tomorrow) classes to GIS people on what OSM is and what it isn't. It's a slow process educating the populace this wonderful thing exists. Editing is important to be part of the community - but the OSM US board operates both in and out or that community (if that makes sense). They announce editathons and attempt to engage support for OSM. As several have said (and I won't go back and look for the people to match with the quotes): * Engagement with the US Community. It would be wonderful if OSM US board members took the lead and held a mapping party in their community. It's not necessary - maybe they help pave the way for a more active mapper to hold an event.Colleges have a little clue this exists. Have a prepared presentation where someone can go explain OSM in a friendly non scary manner for the people who have never edited. * Women and Minorities. We are predominately Caucasian and male. That is not good. My only success in 300 kids taught at a High School is one young lady who periodically maps for HOT. * One candidate had mentioned getting a layer for the US to render our wonderfully complicated highway system. I still can't explain what a trunk road is...or isn't. * Holding the US conference - Months of paperwork with not a feature edited to get that going. * 501c3 status - I helped (I'm a terrible treasurer) and that was so complicated we had to bring in an accountant and that months of discovery on lost paypal accounts and things. I feel a personal sense of failure that still hasn't happened * There was an announcement from the board of scholarships to go to the South American OSM conference (?) - once again - no edits but paperwork type of things that push community engagement. So there are tons of things that need done that never involve one single edit. It would help if they did - but being an anything on the board never involves touching the map. I understand bringing up the editing history of candidates. It's another tool to measure engagement - but for this (IMO) it doesn't mean much at all. Hopefully by the time they leave the board they are editing and happy and doing good things. What is the current mapping engagement of the DWG?..or the OSMF? The HOT Board? It doesn't matter for that position. Our job is to map - there's will be the terrible things no one wants to do like paperwork and talk to people. Wear a suit. Look sane if they are ever speaking to an influential group of people on OSM. Anyway - that was too long of an answer for a Sunday Morning. Forgive me. Randy On 10/05/2014 06:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 21:23, Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ha scritto: It has nothing to do with being on the OSM US Board. I was on it for two years..we discussed editing, Neither of which had any bearing on that candidates experience with editing. if you are discussing editing it will surely help in the discussion to have edited yourself ;-) would you ask a catholic priest about raising kids? You'd surely get an answer, but it will remain highly theoretical;-) cheers Martin -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women
By we I mean Mapzen! We are happy to be able to support this internship and follow the examples of many organizations in the open source geo space doing awesome work to increase diversity and respectful dialogue. Thanks, Alyssa. On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:49 AM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more women into open source communities. If you know of any great women (of any age!) that might be interested please forward along details here: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/OPM_Project_Ideas We hope this is the first internship of many, and that next round multiple organizations come together to offer scholarships. I encourage you to mentor and welcome these women into the community as you always do! Kate and I are here to answer any questions. Best, Alyssa. PS This by the way is an example of a contribution to OSM not measured in edits. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women
This is awesome! I believe the first link should be: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/DecemberMarch Right? eric On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: By we I mean Mapzen! We are happy to be able to support this internship and follow the examples of many organizations in the open source geo space doing awesome work to increase diversity and respectful dialogue. Thanks, Alyssa. On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:49 AM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more women into open source communities. If you know of any great women (of any age!) that might be interested please forward along details here: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_ Team/OPM_Project_Ideas We hope this is the first internship of many, and that next round multiple organizations come together to offer scholarships. I encourage you to mentor and welcome these women into the community as you always do! Kate and I are here to answer any questions. Best, Alyssa. PS This by the way is an example of a contribution to OSM not measured in edits. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women
Great! On Saturday, October 4, 2014, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more women into open source communities. If you know of any great women (of any age!) that might be interested please forward along details here: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_ Team/OPM_Project_Ideas We hope this is the first internship of many, and that next round multiple organizations come together to offer scholarships. I encourage you to mentor and welcome these women into the community as you always do! Kate and I are here to answer any questions. Best, Alyssa. PS This by the way is an example of a contribution to OSM not measured in edits. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women
Yes. Thanks! On Oct 5, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Eric Brelsford ebrelsf...@gmail.com wrote: This is awesome! I believe the first link should be: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/DecemberMarch Right? eric On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: By we I mean Mapzen! We are happy to be able to support this internship and follow the examples of many organizations in the open source geo space doing awesome work to increase diversity and respectful dialogue. Thanks, Alyssa. On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:49 AM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more women into open source communities. If you know of any great women (of any age!) that might be interested please forward along details here: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/OPM_Project_Ideas We hope this is the first internship of many, and that next round multiple organizations come together to offer scholarships. I encourage you to mentor and welcome these women into the community as you always do! Kate and I are here to answer any questions. Best, Alyssa. PS This by the way is an example of a contribution to OSM not measured in edits. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Alan, The number of edits a user names is a data point. For some people, it's an important data point, for others it may not be, but it's an interesting piece of information. By analogy, if this were a cyclist organization, I would hope that a board member had experience as a cyclist. The number of edits a user has made is only one factor, but it can illustrate quite a bit, especially the type of edits a user has made, and the frequency of their edits. What's just as interesting, if not more interesting to me is how many edits a person has made through on the ground surveying vs using other datasets or imagery. That is hard to capture, but getting a user's # of edits in the US, and their core location gives me some hints. If I know someone lives in Orlando, FL and their edits are mainly focused in Africa, I can make a reasonable assumption that unless they travel to Africa frequently, that they're using imagery. Why is that important? For me it speaks to someone's mapping modality, and therefore their experience with the project. It speaks to their involvement, their experience editing, etc. What I've found really curious, and frustrating, is the amount of negativity directed towards Paul for simply putting out data about the candidates. To me, this is the same kind of information that we celebrate when organizations like the Sunlight Foundation aggregate and distribute. Others are free to disagree, certainly, but I found the data to be helpful. It won't be my only factor in the decision making process, but it will be a factor. Now there are other questions for the candates I'd like to know, such whether or not they're paid to work on OSM, and if so, by who. I'd like to know from the incumbents what they've done in the past that's notable or some other way by which we can judge their performance. Maybe someone would like to ask these questions- I'm pretty turned off my the negativity and largely disengaged from the process other than my need to stand up when I see someone being unfairly attacked simply for providing information. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On 10/5/2014 6:26 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: All of the candidates have made more than zero edits While true that all candidates have edited OSM at some point in the past, two of them have zero edits in the last year, and one of those has no US edits ever.[1] While a candidate may have other skills, I'd want to hear from them in their manifesto why those skills make up for their complete lack of OpenStreetMap experience, and why they would be more able to apply those skills as a board member, rather than volunteering them without being a board member. [1]: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/28351121d9bf12b3a219#file-01_results-txt ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
I will make an assumption (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that both candidates with 0 edits are female. I am basing this only on names and a rudimentary internet search. I think before both candidates answer that question - you need to define why they have a complete lack of OpenStreetMap experience. They have made edits. Were last years edits not good? Were the other edits from other candidates better? How many edits make an experienced mapper? Non US edits are a bad thing when running for a OSM US Position? If they had only made 59 edits this year. Randy On 10/05/2014 11:21 PM, Paul Norman wrote: On 10/5/2014 6:26 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: All of the candidates have made more than zero edits While true that all candidates have edited OSM at some point in the past, two of them have zero edits in the last year, and one of those has no US edits ever.[1] While a candidate may have other skills, I'd want to hear from them in their manifesto why those skills make up for their complete lack of OpenStreetMap experience, and why they would be more able to apply those skills as a board member, rather than volunteering them without being a board member. [1]: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/28351121d9bf12b3a219#file-01_results-txt ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
