[Talk-us] Better Than OSM was Your opinion about SOTM US
Alex, I really like this Better Than OSM map. The very accidental name has that Missouri state Show me impact. Show me where the newer TIGER is better than OSM and I'll show you where OSM is still better than TIGER. The accidental genus of the map comes in the last example. With these ideas in mind: I found this area from area from the magenta/blue TIGER map that MapBox produced several years ago. Back then the magenta/blue line stood out. Here I said let's see if TIGER caught up to me. In this case, TIGER has improved but there is a yellow line replacing the magenta/blue line. The interesting building and parking lot pattern really shows up nicely in this map. Both the discovery and mapping of geometric patterns in OSM has that Bob Ross happy little animals affect on me. ;-) I spent additional time improving the area based on the perceived challenge laid down by the map. https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#18/33.28937/-111.94653 Here are two missing apartment/condo like areas that show up with the map. The blank and gray blob on the OSM main map provide no real indication that there's something to improve upon. TIGER is better in this case because OSM doesn't have the additional detail that TIGER shows. https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#19/33.28999/-111.88173 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/33.28999/-111.88173 https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#19/33.29724/-111.94407 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/33.29724/-111.94407 The Better Than OSM map flags this next area yet we can see that OSM is better than TIGER in this case. Here is an example of the challenge that you face. How would you turn off these yellow lines that fall between the real roads in this sardine subdivision? This area feels like one of the scale problems that TIGER has. It could also be that TIGER staff have not had a chance to clean up these kinds-of lines. https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#21/33.29915/-111.92984 Here's another TIGER cleanup issue for TIGER staff. However, the Better Than OSM chanllege pointed me to a way that needed to be turned into a dual carriage way. https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#20/33.24150/-111.84551 This next area is what I call a sub-prime rate subdivision. The area may have stalled right before or during the sub-prime mortgage rate debacle. I cannot always tell if TIGER staff received the plat information right after bankruptcy. I wished MapBox had a version of satellite that would stop at zoom 17 and let me over zoom the imagery to 18 and below. Does anyone know of a way to make over zooming of MapBox Satellite work in JOSM with the current MapBox configuration? https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#19/33.24192/-111.83822 Whereas an earlier example had TIGER yellow pointers to an area concealed by OSM one color blobs, the Better Than OSM also points to areas that are a tie: both maps are equally bad because there is missing data. These large cavernous areas really attract my eye while panning and zooming the map. One feature that would be helpful is a wispy thin building outline. I don't know what the exact ratio would be but If you are using 9 for a road width, then 2 may be that wispy thin building outline value. Adding too many additional features would diminish the impact of the map. As a volunteer, I might have time to get lost in a detailed building. At other times, I might try to knock out a few nodes while waiting for the carpooler. The building outline might be a helpful gauge for the type of project that I can fit into the time constraints of the moment. I have been using this map as my primary launching point since you introduced it. https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#18/33.24546/-111.84102 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/33.24546/-111.84102 https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#18/33.28802/-111.88678 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/33.28829/-111.88644 Thanks, Greg On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for another TIGER tool. I used it to look at
Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore, that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ! -Kate On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:59 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: Creating that enthusiasm is a huge challenge (anyone remember CloudMade's ambassadors?) I do! That's how I discovered OSM back in 2009. Thank you Sarah Manley, where ever you are. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] North Carolina Outer Banks
On Saturday, April 04, 2015 09:08:50 PM Richard Welty wrote: On 4/4/15 7:48 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Jeff Klein jeff.klein...@gmail.com mailto:jeff.klein...@gmail.com wrote: If I am correct, probably confused, the map sets only go as far east as -76 West, which excludes the Outer Banks of North Carolina. How do I get maps that go further east? Have you search for the Outer Banks in OSM? It returns http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357813099, which looks like the outer banks to someone living in Washington State. i've done a bit of mapping on the Outer Banks when i've been there on vacation. it all looks fine to me. I suspect the requester is looking specifically for something called Outer Banks on the map. As someone who grew up down in that area I can tell you that there is no such place. The Outer Banks, or OBX, is largely a marketing term and refers to much of the peninsula, Hatteras Island, and Ocracoke Island but isn't a town or county. It would probably be better to search for the specific town you are looking for. Duck, Rodanthe, Manteo, Avon, Buxton, and Hatteras Village (to name a few) will get the map to you much better than trying to look for something specific within a region that is roughly 120 miles long (and at best a mile or so wide). --Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
Mike Dupont writes: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them I still dont understand why we dont support multiple layers. It would seem to be the most logical thing to do and the api could support that so simple clients could download a different layers each time. The problem is keeping them in synch. If you have a node that represents the same thing (e.g. the end of a bridge way), and it's in two layers, what happens when somebody downloads layer 1, and moves the node? How does it get updated in layer 2? Smarter people than me have thought about it and seen worse problems. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Minh Nguyen writes: On 2015-04-03 22:25, Russ Nelson wrote: Greg Morgan writes: * In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. In some NY counties, TIGER is very good. In other places it is like Stevie Wonder was in charge of quality control. What I've heard is that the maps they were digitizing off were of MUCH lower resolution than we have available now. I wonder if it was even about the resolution in some counties. It's as if the data was traced off a cartogram, or maybe reconstructed from a table of intersections. Perhaps. There is definitely a trope that you see on TIGER data with a lot of variance. It is a Y used at an intersection that really should be a T. I know that when I see that trope, I'm gonna be editing all the ways attached to it. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
There would be only one database. the layer would just be a filter that would not display the railways. if a railway is glued to a node which is moved in another layer, we would have to duplicate it, so no data can be accidentally changed if not visible. On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Mike Dupont writes: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them I still dont understand why we dont support multiple layers. It would seem to be the most logical thing to do and the api could support that so simple clients could download a different layers each time. The problem is keeping them in synch. If you have a node that represents the same thing (e.g. the end of a bridge way), and it's in two layers, what happens when somebody downloads layer 1, and moves the node? How does it get updated in layer 2? Smarter people than me have thought about it and seen worse problems. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] North Carolina Outer Banks
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jeff Klein jeff.klein...@gmail.com wrote: If I am correct, probably confused, the map sets only go as far east as -76 West, which excludes the Outer Banks of North Carolina. How do I get maps that go further east? Dear Jeff, Are you asking about the garmin files that are found here? http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-03-29 They are extracted from OpenStreetMap data and converted to the format for those devices. If something is missing, like a swath East of some line, then it was likely left out deliberately, for some reason. (Or by mistake, like failing to recognize the awesomeness of Southern Shores, NC, and the Duck Woods Country Club. Sa-lute!!!) If you would like help with a specific CONSUMER of OpenStreetMap data, and there are many of them, please say which one you are referring to. If you are talking about Dave's wonderful garmin extracts, then you might try one of the larger file formats that span more than just the continental US. You also might send Dave an email and ask if he would consider moving his bounding boxes for you, to include the area that interests you. And, yeah, the outer banks are awesome. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
Serge Wroclawski writes: Propertly boundaries is something that people have wanted, and we've resisted putting in OSM, despite it being useful for a variety of people. For much more practical reasons, mostly that they would blow up the database and introduce a huge number of ways that every editor would immediately add to the JOSM 'hide' list. The scale is completely different. The number of railways tagged as dismantled (or as abandoned which ought to be dismantled) is miniscule in comparison. I see people who want to know what to do when they encounter a feature they can't see on the ground. If it's not TIGER data and it has tags, leave it there. Seems like a simple rule to me. If you don't understand why the editor added it, ask them. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
