Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
On Apr 2, 2015 7:08 AM, EthnicFood IsGreat ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue. That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good compromise. I don't like it, but I would rather do that than see this data lost forever. At least in OHM, the data still lives, and can always be moved back to OSM later if a solution to the problem of historic features can be found. Mark ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us +1 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Am 07.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: ... is this something the OSMF lawyers have had a look into? Is the issue really copyright or is this about trademark (regarding the names GR PR etc.)? Currently it seems we are accepting what the Fédération Francaise de la Randonnée Pédestre claims, without questioning whether their claims hold up. ... The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and for material they hold protection for and further they seem to claim copyright on the routes themselves, which is not particularly far fetched and can't be dismissed out of hand. AFAIK the OSM FR has never asked for formal support in the matter, and I very much doubt the OSMF would become active in the matter of its own accord, except if directly approached by a rights holder and even then the likely response is to delete questionable material. This doesn't mean that the OSMF is completely inactive wrt such matters, for example the LWG has been in contact and discussion with the WMF on freedom of panorama issues. E.g. why can't you do a survey and publicly say: You are requesting somebody to argue the case of Fédération Francaise de la Randonnée Pédestre, which I would do, if they paid me :-). .. Also, we are mapping roads and buildings, but the projects leading to these constructions are normally protected by copyright, and also a building can be protected (architectural work). None of these do stop us to map them in other fields, what is the particularity why GR cannot be mapped? Because us mapping them has never been challenged? Particularly in the case of 3d building models there is obviously potential for conflict, which however has AFAIK never actually happened up to now. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
2015-04-08 9:05 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and for material they hold protection for and further they seem to claim copyright on the routes themselves, which is not particularly far fetched and can't be dismissed out of hand. I do agree that they might likely have copyright on the routes, and that we maybe can't reproduce their routes in our db, but I do question that we can't map their signposts. Reasoning: the routes are nothing physically existing, they are, similar to a novel, creative works made up by someone, and that someone will probably hold copyright on them. The routes are not facts, they are works of creativity and ingenuity. But the signposts are facts, observable in reality, and while their graphic layout, logos, colors, composition, fonts, text, will likely be protected by copyright, I'd question the concept that their pure existence cannot be told about (i.e. without reproducing them with a foto, drawing or similar). Cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Am 08.04.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Russ Nelson: Simon Poole writes: The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and Perhaps French trademark law is different than US trademark law, but in the US, you can *always* use a trademark truthfully. Thus, you can call Coke-a-Cola Coke-a-Cola all day long and they can't stop you. Yes, but we are using their trademark on a competing product, aka Pespi labelling their bottles with Coke-a-Cola (made by Pepsi). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
Hans De Kryger writes: On Apr 2, 2015 7:08 AM, EthnicFood IsGreat ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue. That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good compromise. I don't like it, but I would rather do that than see this data lost forever. At least in OHM, the data still lives, and can always be moved back to OSM later if a solution to the problem of historic features can be found. +1 Okay, but Hans, what Mark wrote is incoherent. The people who want to delete the dismantled portions of abandoned railroads from OSM want to delete them. Those of us who want the context of the dismantled portions to stay next to the merely abandoned or disused portions, do NOT want to delete them. This is a binary choice: stay or go. There is no compromise. Framing the choice to delete them as a compromise is simply a falsehood. With your +1, you are NOT COMPROMISING, you are saying that true things in OSM should be deleted. Let's just be clear on that: true things in OSM, which can often be verified in the field, are being deleted, people are supporting that, and it's NOT A COMPROMISE. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Simon Poole writes: The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and Perhaps French trademark law is different than US trademark law, but in the US, you can *always* use a trademark truthfully. Thus, you can call Coke-a-Cola Coke-a-Cola all day long and they can't stop you. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Last few days. State of the Map: Call for Venues 2016
Dear All, The Call for Venues to host State of the Map 2016 is open for a few more days. Do you wish that your town / region could host State of the Map? It isn't too late. Get a team of locals together and assemble a bid. Have a look at the example bids, and the bids submitted so far. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues If you have any questions about preparing a bid and/or hosting State of the Map, contact the State of the Map Working Group t...@stateofthemap.org Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
