Re: [Talk-us] No Parallel/Resize or Copy/Paste in iD editor?
Bryan, Do you mean Control-C and Control-V, which are the usual Windows way to copy and paste? --C At 07:19 AM 4/19/2015, you wrote: On Apr 18, 2015, at 8:39 PM, David Wisbey mailto:yourvillagem...@yahoo.comyourvillagem...@yahoo.com wrote: don't see any way to create parallel features (or Copy and Paste as in JOSM). We don't have a way to create parallel features yet, but there is an open issue for it in github. It's something that a lot of people request and I agree would be a useful tool. Copy and paste does now work with cmd-C / cmd-V, this is a recent addition. Thanks, Bryan Sent from my iPhone ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: No Parallel/Resize or Copy/Paste in iD editor?
I would love to see the ability to do parallel ways in iD. I have had to go back to Potlatch a couple of times because of this. Charlotte I'm a long-time user of Potlatch. Every time since the new iD editor was introduced that I have tried to use it, I have had to give up and go back to Potlatch. At first it was simply way too slow. It seems to perform better, speed-wise anyway, now. I used to use JOSM to work on the buildings of apartment complexes, until Java stopped working on my computer (still a big mystery with no fix). I heard recently that a new Rotate feature was added in iD, so I decided to give iD yet another try. I see the Rotate tool - nice. However, I don't see any way to create parallel features (or Copy and Paste as in JOSM). This would be necessary for my purposes, where most buildings in an apartment complex are identical but oriented differently. I would like to be able to not only rotate a polygon, but copy and paste and then rotate the pasted polygon and move it to its correct location. I don't see any way to do that. Is there a hidden way of doing this, such as hot keys? Be seeing you, David J. Wisbey GIS Services / Cartography / Graphics / Desktop Publishing Tel. 720-282-3626 Email: mailto:yourvillagem...@yahoo.comyourvillagem...@yahoo.com I'm also on Facebook as David Wisbey ___ Talk-us mailing list mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.orgTalk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] No Parallel/Resize or Copy/Paste in iD editor?
iD will use the modifier key Cmd on Mac and Ctrl on Windows/Linux. It adjusts the popup tooltips to say the correct thing too. I didn't put anything in the builtin help yet about Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V but I do intend to. I only added the copy buffer code in the latest release a month ago. Also I'll probably be implanting a popup help page to list all the keyboard shortcuts sometime in the next few months. Thanks, Bryan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Bryan, Do you mean Control-C and Control-V, which are the usual Windows way to copy and paste? --C At 07:19 AM 4/19/2015, you wrote: On Apr 18, 2015, at 8:39 PM, David Wisbey yourvillagem...@yahoo.com wrote: don't see any way to create parallel features (or Copy and Paste as in JOSM). We don't have a way to create parallel features yet, but there is an open issue for it in github. It's something that a lot of people request and I agree would be a useful tool. Copy and paste does now work with cmd-C / cmd-V, this is a recent addition. Thanks, Bryan Sent from my iPhone ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Boundaries and verifiability (was Re: Retagging hamlets in the US)
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: If you're lucky, you can find an Ohio city limit's legal definition in county commissioners' minutes when an annexation is proposed. The most authoritative data representation is the county GIS database, which anyone can easily access -- for a fee. After paying the county for that database, you might well forget about OSM, because it's also the authoritative source for road centerlines and names. That is actually not what I meant, but I could have been more precise. I guess this turns into a discussion of what 'authoritative' actually means. This is different things to different people. As OSM becomes better, increasingly folks will start looking at us for authoritativeness, which would make sense because everything is (supposed to be) verified on the ground. authoritative is a complicated word. One sense is the source that legally defines something. The other sense is what people usually mean with maps, which is about whether the map production process is such that a user can have a high degree of confidence Because administrative boundaries have legal implications, the authoritative source will need to be someplace outside of OSM. True, but I don't see the point. The authoritative source for whether a road exists is the fact in the real world, so that's outside OSM too. A map (database; that's not the point here) is a collection of useful facts, and except for maps published by entities whose word defines the world, no maps are authoritative in this sense. It's certainly true that no court would decide if a house is in a particular town by looking at OSM. I'm not sure if you're suggesting deleting all the boundary data, or just pointing out that most court cases will not use OSM data, or something else. It may actually hurt OSM down the line if we include information that suggests authoritativeness we cannot provide. I really don't follow your logic here. OSM has all sorts of information, and is the authoritative-as-defining source for essentially none of it. This is true of arguably every general-purpose map. Even the USGS map includes information where the Board of Geographic Names is authoritative. When I hear regular GIS people talk about authoritative data in the context of OSM, the concern is that anyone can edit and there is no QA process, so how can the data be trusted? This is compared to NAVTEQ (just to pick on), which presumably takes State DOT data and surveys/QAs it (so how can the data be up to date?). Whether the crowdsourcing process or the standard process leads to better data is not a settled question; there are valid arguments about the process both ways. (I find OSM data to be generally better in Massachusetts than e.g. the proprietary data that comes with a Nuvi, but in some places it's worse.) With respect to boundaries, careful curation of boundary information (from the law, as Minh suggests, or actual stones in my state) by OSM people leads to a good set of data, arguably as good as included in any other general-purpose map. So it's just the usual grand struggle to improve and add data, and I don't see why there should be any special concerns about authoritativeness. All of this has little to do with neighborhoods, which are mostly (?) vernacular in naming and delineation, and even when there are official neighborhood designations, in my own experience they do not always match the vernacular names. I support point mapping of vernacular neighborhoods. If you really want to have shapes for vernacular neighborhoods, you can look at the now-ancient-but-still-cool flickr Alpha Shapes[2], last updated in 2011 but still available for download[3]. But please don't upload 'em to OSM :) As a political boundary (in the political map sense), an official neighborhood designation can be distinct from the neighborhood with a vernacular name, but that's an argument to map both rather than favoring one over the other. They coexist and might share a name but aren't necessarily the same thing. People should be able to get the concrete, objective boundary of an official neighborhood from OSM and an amorphous, subjective boundary of an informal neighborhood from Alpha Shapes. Sure, but vernacular and official neighborhood objects would then need to be represented differently so folks can tell them apart and know what they are dealing with. That's basically admin_level=10 for an official neighborhood (I think Boston and Newton have these), and some sort of place=locality for things without legal boundaries. This is related to the hamlet discussion. One of the issues with OSM's place name schema is the confusion between place names and boundaries. Boundaries are actually pretty clear how they should be. But the place=town etc. talk about population, and you can't have population without a boundary. That probably
Re: [Talk-us] Help with OSM Presentation
Clifford, Kudos to you for stepping up to deliver a presentation about OpenStreetMap! What is should I absolutely not leave out of the presentation? The *big problem* that OSM solves. For a Linux audience this shouldn't be difficult, but I would still state that most other map sources are not truly free - and say a little bit about why that is a problem. What do you tell people when they ask you why you map? Mapping in OSM is a form of free expression (really a broad form of free speech), just like blogging, editing a Wikipedia article, or creating a video. In the past editors a publishers decided what got mapped, now - with OpenStreetMap - we can decide. Mike On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I'm doing a presentation at Linuxfest Northwest in Bellingham, WA in hopes to gain new mappers. To help me with the presentation, I'd like to hear from you. Below are some questions - answer all or just a few. What do you enjoy most about OpenStreetMap? What about OSM surprised you most? What do you tell people when they ask you why you map? What is should I absolutely not leave out of the presentation? Thanks, Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Help with OSM Presentation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I'm doing a presentation at Linuxfest Northwest in Bellingham, WA in hopes to gain new mappers. To help me with the presentation, I'd like to hear from you. Below are some questions - answer all or just a few. What about OSM surprised you most? The amazing diversity in the interests of new contributors. I meet new OpenStreetMap contributors every month, and the interest that brings them in to meet us differ widely. What is should I absolutely not leave out of the presentation? 1) Go outside and survey your neighbourhood. There is nothing better that you can do for OpenStreetMap, than behave as though you are tending a shared garden. 2) Time for questions. I have trouble with this because I like to talk. :-) 3) It's Fun. It's Free. You can help. One of the earliest tag lines used in the project. True then. true now. For the Linuxfest audience, you might want to add something about the hundreds (or thousands) of F/LOSS projects that intersect with the OpenStreetMap project. You certainly can't be expert about all of them, or event list them, but the Linuxfest audience will want to be reassured that they can probably find a library for their preferred development environment. Break a leg! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
