Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages

2016-04-14 Thread Greg Morgan 
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Matt Simpson  wrote:

> All - seaming to understand the intent of this thread and hoping to shed
> some light for you.
>
> Our team (MAGNETIC) was hired to design/develop the pieology website.
> Pieology also hired a company to build their store locator, which was
> outside our scope of work. The company they hired for store location
> services is Momentfeed (https://momentfeed.com/), seemingly a branch or
> distributor of Mobify, who looks to be using your service at the core of
> the location tool they provide.
>
> I would suggest contacting Momentfeed and/or Mobify to discuss
> attribution. As someone mentioned earlier, Pieology will have very little
> input on the matter.
>
> Hope this helps -
>
>
Matt,

Thank you for the response.  www.OpenStreetMap.org is a crowd sourced map
of the world. I love it that the Pieology site is using OSM.  There are a
number of other notable sites that are using OSM such as Craig's list
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/search/fua .  We are just trying to get to
the bottom of which firm should put the correct attribution on the Pieology
site.  I provided the CL map because it has the proper attribution.

Again thank you for the response.

Regards,
Greg




> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Greg Morgan 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting, a bit troubling, to see an increasing number of layers —
>>> abstraction — between the end user and the OSM data. Now it’s three — the
>>> web site itself, Mobify (never heard of them), Mapbox —  between the end
>>> user and OSM. Makes it easier for all the intermediaries to point to the
>>> others for attribution requirements. And harder for the OSM community to
>>> enforce this simple but important requirement. OSM can only benefit from
>>> having many eyes on the map if we can continue to close this feedback loop.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> There is one more layer of abstraction: the design firm
>> http://www.magneticcreative.com/.  It seems that Magnetic Creative would
>> understand this issue.  They have their name in fine print at the bottom of
>> each page on the site.  Just as they want their name published for
>> potential clients, OpenStreetMap would like attribution for potential
>> future mappers.  I added their email to the list.  They would have to join
>> the list to respond, etc.  However, they should be able to pick up the
>> drift from this email chain.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> To my mind it’s on Mapbox to enforce attribution, I assume having this
>>> present on the map is in the terms they present to their customers?
>>>
>>> Martijn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Fred Hillhouse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Their tiles are coming from Mapbox. Who gets the attribution?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com ]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* Hans De Kryger; Peter Dobratz
>>> *Cc:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages
>>>
>>> Might make more sense to directly contact Mobify as the map provider. I
>>> have suspicion Pieology will have no clue what you're talking about and
>>> wouldn't be able to fix it themselves anyway. Contact for mobify:
>>> http://www.mobify.com/contact/
>>>
>>>  Harald.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM Hans De Kryger <
>>> hans.dekryge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I see nothing on the entire site linking/mentioning osm. their emails
>>> i...@pieology.com if you want to contact them.
>>>
>>> *Regards,*
>>> *Hans*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>>> I'm seeing OSM data used more and more for generating the basemap onto
>>> which things like store location data is displayed on store websites.
>>> However, it's not always easy to find links to OSM attribution on such maps.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen this?
>>>
>>> http://locations.pieology.com/
>>>
>>> There's a link to http://www.mobify.com/ in the lower-left corner, but
>>> I can't seem to find any links to http://www.openstreetmap.org/ anywhere
>>> on the page.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages

2016-04-14 Thread Greg Morgan 
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Interesting, a bit troubling, to see an increasing number of layers —
> abstraction — between the end user and the OSM data. Now it’s three — the
> web site itself, Mobify (never heard of them), Mapbox —  between the end
> user and OSM. Makes it easier for all the intermediaries to point to the
> others for attribution requirements. And harder for the OSM community to
> enforce this simple but important requirement. OSM can only benefit from
> having many eyes on the map if we can continue to close this feedback loop.
>
>


There is one more layer of abstraction: the design firm
http://www.magneticcreative.com/.  It seems that Magnetic Creative would
understand this issue.  They have their name in fine print at the bottom of
each page on the site.  Just as they want their name published for
potential clients, OpenStreetMap would like attribution for potential
future mappers.  I added their email to the list.  They would have to join
the list to respond, etc.  However, they should be able to pick up the
drift from this email chain.

Regards,
Greg







> To my mind it’s on Mapbox to enforce attribution, I assume having this
> present on the map is in the terms they present to their customers?
>
> Martijn
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Fred Hillhouse 
> wrote:
>
>
> Their tiles are coming from Mapbox. Who gets the attribution?
>
>
> http://b.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/dondeinc.i1021nhc/17/37433/50038.jpg70?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZG9uZGVpbmMiLCJhIjoiZ200QzN4dyJ9.KIhMqSmPUSn9Kru51GZT4g
>
> Fred
>
> --
> *From:* Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:08 AM
> *To:* Hans De Kryger; Peter Dobratz
> *Cc:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages
>
> Might make more sense to directly contact Mobify as the map provider. I
> have suspicion Pieology will have no clue what you're talking about and
> wouldn't be able to fix it themselves anyway. Contact for mobify:
> http://www.mobify.com/contact/
>
>  Harald.
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM Hans De Kryger 
> wrote:
>
> I see nothing on the entire site linking/mentioning osm. their emails
> i...@pieology.com if you want to contact them.
>
> *Regards,*
> *Hans*
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> I'm seeing OSM data used more and more for generating the basemap onto
> which things like store location data is displayed on store websites.
> However, it's not always easy to find links to OSM attribution on such maps.
>
> Has anyone seen this?
>
> http://locations.pieology.com/
>
> There's a link to http://www.mobify.com/ in the lower-left corner, but I
> can't seem to find any links to http://www.openstreetmap.org/ anywhere on
> the page.
>
> Peter
>
>
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