Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.
On 3/19/2020 10:43 AM, Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us wrote: Sure, I get that. The flip side is that it is likely to get confusing what is open and when with all the changes occurring. It would be good to have a resource to help people determine where they can go if they need something. When interpreting opening_hours, software (and humans reading manually!) should follow the LAST of semicolon-separated rules that matches a particular datetime. So if you expect normal hours to resume at some point, it's possible to encode temporary hours using exceptions appended to the end of the value. For example, a shop with "opening_hours=Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00" could be retagged "opening_hours=Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00; 2020 Mar-May Mo-Fr 11:00-16:00". Problems apparent offhand: - You have to pick an end date. Will "this all be over" by the end of the year? End of the summer? Or do you want to recheck each POI every month? - No idea if any software actually correctly interprets adding years as part of the date range, though it is part of the spec. - If hours are different for different days of the week, each weekday or weekday range needs its own override. (Eg, opening_hours=Mo-Th 10:00-20:00; Fr 10:00-21:00; Sa 12:00-21:00; Su 12:00-20:00; 2020 Mar-May Mo-Th 11:00-16:00; 2020 Mar-May Fr 11:00-17:00; 2020 Mar-May Sa 12:00-17:00; 2020 Mar-May Su 12:00-16:00") The value can easily become unwieldy bordering on absurd, and risks going over the 255 char limit. - Especially if the value is long and complex, it's hard for humans to read. We don't tend to read through the entire list and look for possible exceptions once we've found a match. Not to mention that no other tag values in OSM use semicolons in this way. (We don't look at "cuisine=italian;pizza" and think "This place serves pizza, which overrides other Italian food, so don't go here for spaghetti".) Jason ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.
Sure, I get that. The flip side is that it is likely to get confusing what is open and when with all the changes occurring. It would be good to have a resource to help people determine where they can go if they need something. Eric Original Message On Mar 19, 2020, 10:06, Rihards wrote: > On 19.03.20 15:49, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >> On 3/13/20 15:36, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote: >>> I've been updating the opening_hours for businesses and services as I >>> hear about them closing or changing their hours of operation for >>> COVID-19. I'm also adding a note in the description with any >>> information the source is providing. >>> >>> Seems like a good idea to keep people updated to what's open and what's not. >>> >>> I wonder if anyone else is also doing this as well? >> >> Bad idea since these are emergency changes and unlikely to be permanent. >> I am putting in the "normal" hours where they are known, with the >> understanding that people should know locations will be changing their >> hours because of the situation and OSM's data will by necessity be out >> of date for this item. > > I decided not to do that pretty quickly - we will have a huge number of > changes later, as I expect many places to not just change their > permanent hours, but close. > -- > Rihards > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.
On 19.03.20 15:49, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 3/13/20 15:36, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote: >> I've been updating the opening_hours for businesses and services as I >> hear about them closing or changing their hours of operation for >> COVID-19. I'm also adding a note in the description with any >> information the source is providing. >> >> Seems like a good idea to keep people updated to what's open and what's not. >> >> I wonder if anyone else is also doing this as well? > > Bad idea since these are emergency changes and unlikely to be permanent. > I am putting in the "normal" hours where they are known, with the > understanding that people should know locations will be changing their > hours because of the situation and OSM's data will by necessity be out > of date for this item. I decided not to do that pretty quickly - we will have a huge number of changes later, as I expect many places to not just change their permanent hours, but close. -- Rihards ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:50 AM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 3/13/20 15:36, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote: > > I've been updating the opening_hours for businesses and services as I > > hear about them closing or changing their hours of operation for > > COVID-19. I'm also adding a note in the description with any > > information the source is providing. > > > > Seems like a good idea to keep people updated to what's open and what's > not. > > > > I wonder if anyone else is also doing this as well? > > Bad idea since these are emergency changes and unlikely to be permanent. > I am putting in the "normal" hours where they are known, with the > understanding that people should know locations will be changing their > hours because of the situation and OSM's data will by necessity be out > of date for this item. > Perhaps have an end date for the temporary hours in case it gets overlooked when this is all over. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.
On 3/13/20 15:36, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote: > I've been updating the opening_hours for businesses and services as I > hear about them closing or changing their hours of operation for > COVID-19. I'm also adding a note in the description with any > information the source is providing. > > Seems like a good idea to keep people updated to what's open and what's not. > > I wonder if anyone else is also doing this as well? Bad idea since these are emergency changes and unlikely to be permanent. I am putting in the "normal" hours where they are known, with the understanding that people should know locations will be changing their hours because of the situation and OSM's data will by necessity be out of date for this item. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
