Re: [Talk-us] interesting crossing of borders between CA and AZ

[Clifford Snow]

The boundary is good, but will be better once you incorporate the existing
boundary between California and Arizona (and some others).

Your next step will be to merge the duplicate boundary area, where the
tribe and state boundaries are the same. Do that by splitting the
reservation boundary where they coincide with the other boundaries. split
border boundary at the same spot. In the JOSM relation editor for the
reservation, add the existing state boundary. If correct, the boundary
should be a closed way.

Best,
Clifford

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:32 PM Ray Kiddy  wrote:

>
> On 11/9/20 3:07 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Ray,
> Thanks for taking on the task of fixing the tribal boundaries. From
> personal experience of having done a number of these, it's hard work and
> easy to make errors. But don't let that discourage you. It feels great once
> you're complete.
>
> One note - as far as I know, tribal boundaries should just be
> boundary=aboriginal_lands. Admin levels are designed for areas tagged
> boundary=administrative. Because tribal lands/reservations have a unique
> standings they should just be tagged boundary=aboriginal_lands.
>
> Feel free to contact me directly if you need help.
>
> Clifford
>
> When I was creating the relation, I found the "boundary=aboriginal_lands"
> thing.
>
> Give a shout if you see anything wrong with this.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11867393
>
> And I have not yet, of course, added the bit that will cross into
> California.
>
> cheers - ray
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:03 PM Ray Kiddy  wrote:
>
>> Hello -
>>
>> I am seeing an interesting editing task at the eastern edge of Riverside
>> County in California. As of now, I am not expert enough in JOSM to do
>> it, but I will, at some point, be able to do it and I will do it then.
>> Unless someone else wants it.
>>
>> I am starting to add lines to define the city boundaries of Blythe, CA.
>> Almost nothing is there in OSM.
>>
>> But the interesting bit is at the nothern part of the eastern edge of
>> the city boundary. This line in the Colorado River actually separates
>> the states of California and Arizona and is the eastern boarder of
>> Blythe but it is also the western border of the Colorado River Indian
>> Tribes Reservation (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/702934460).
>>
>> The issue is that the southern border of the reservation actually
>> crosses the CA-AZ state line and this is not seen in OSM. It has a "toe"
>> sort of shape, facing west. See the eastern edge of the map below.
>>
>> https://gis.countyofriverside.us/Html5Viewer/?viewer=MMC_Public
>>
>> So, what I think I need to do is:
>>
>> 1) Change the reservation from a way into a relation with the proper
>> admin level. (Done)
>>
>> 1a) Fix the southern border of the reservation, which should cover the
>> road there. The reservation does not include the road in OSM.
>>
>> 2) Split the way that currently cuts off the toe, but I need to not muck
>> up the CA-AZ border.
>>
>> 3) Add the lines for the toe. This also involves moving the northern
>> edge of the Palo Verde Ecological Reserve, whose northern edge is too
>> far north in OSM.
>>
>> 4) Actually the nothern edge of the eco reserve needs to be split off
>> because it is now also the border of the reservation.
>>
>> 5) Add the ways created for the norther edge of the toe into the
>> reservation's relation.
>>
>> And that is it. And I need to not break all of the other things around.
>> Easy peasy! :--)
>>
>> I am open to any suggestions. On the other hand, I am willing to do
>> these things when I figure out some of the advanced stuff in JOSM. Fun
>> stuff.
>>
>> cheers - ray
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] interesting crossing of borders between CA and AZ

[Ray Kiddy]

On 11/9/20 3:07 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

Ray,
Thanks for taking on the task of fixing the tribal boundaries. From 
personal experience of having done a number of these, it's hard work 
and easy to make errors. But don't let that discourage you. It feels 
great once you're complete.


One note - as far as I know, tribal boundaries should just be 
boundary=aboriginal_lands. Admin levels are designed for areas tagged 
boundary=administrative. Because tribal lands/reservations have a 
unique standings they should just be tagged boundary=aboriginal_lands.


Feel free to contact me directly if you need help.

Clifford


When I was creating the relation, I found the 
"boundary=aboriginal_lands" thing.


Give a shout if you see anything wrong with this.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11867393

And I have not yet, of course, added the bit that will cross into 
California.


cheers - ray



On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:03 PM Ray Kiddy > wrote:


Hello -

I am seeing an interesting editing task at the eastern edge of
Riverside
County in California. As of now, I am not expert enough in JOSM to do
it, but I will, at some point, be able to do it and I will do it
then.
Unless someone else wants it.

I am starting to add lines to define the city boundaries of
Blythe, CA.
Almost nothing is there in OSM.

But the interesting bit is at the nothern part of the eastern edge of
the city boundary. This line in the Colorado River actually separates
the states of California and Arizona and is the eastern boarder of
Blythe but it is also the western border of the Colorado River Indian
Tribes Reservation (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/702934460
).

The issue is that the southern border of the reservation actually
crosses the CA-AZ state line and this is not seen in OSM. It has a
"toe"
sort of shape, facing west. See the eastern edge of the map below.

https://gis.countyofriverside.us/Html5Viewer/?viewer=MMC_Public


So, what I think I need to do is:

1) Change the reservation from a way into a relation with the proper
admin level. (Done)

1a) Fix the southern border of the reservation, which should cover
the
road there. The reservation does not include the road in OSM.

2) Split the way that currently cuts off the toe, but I need to
not muck
up the CA-AZ border.

3) Add the lines for the toe. This also involves moving the northern
edge of the Palo Verde Ecological Reserve, whose northern edge is too
far north in OSM.

4) Actually the nothern edge of the eco reserve needs to be split off
because it is now also the border of the reservation.

5) Add the ways created for the norther edge of the toe into the
reservation's relation.

And that is it. And I need to not break all of the other things
around.
Easy peasy! :--)

I am open to any suggestions. On the other hand, I am willing to do
these things when I figure out some of the advanced stuff in JOSM.
Fun
stuff.

cheers - ray



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Re: [Talk-us] interesting crossing of borders between CA and AZ

[Clifford Snow]

Ray,
Thanks for taking on the task of fixing the tribal boundaries. From
personal experience of having done a number of these, it's hard work and
easy to make errors. But don't let that discourage you. It feels great once
you're complete.

One note - as far as I know, tribal boundaries should just be
boundary=aboriginal_lands. Admin levels are designed for areas tagged
boundary=administrative. Because tribal lands/reservations have a unique
standings they should just be tagged boundary=aboriginal_lands.

Feel free to contact me directly if you need help.

Clifford

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:03 PM Ray Kiddy  wrote:

> Hello -
>
> I am seeing an interesting editing task at the eastern edge of Riverside
> County in California. As of now, I am not expert enough in JOSM to do
> it, but I will, at some point, be able to do it and I will do it then.
> Unless someone else wants it.
>
> I am starting to add lines to define the city boundaries of Blythe, CA.
> Almost nothing is there in OSM.
>
> But the interesting bit is at the nothern part of the eastern edge of
> the city boundary. This line in the Colorado River actually separates
> the states of California and Arizona and is the eastern boarder of
> Blythe but it is also the western border of the Colorado River Indian
> Tribes Reservation (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/702934460).
>
> The issue is that the southern border of the reservation actually
> crosses the CA-AZ state line and this is not seen in OSM. It has a "toe"
> sort of shape, facing west. See the eastern edge of the map below.
>
> https://gis.countyofriverside.us/Html5Viewer/?viewer=MMC_Public
>
> So, what I think I need to do is:
>
> 1) Change the reservation from a way into a relation with the proper
> admin level. (Done)
>
> 1a) Fix the southern border of the reservation, which should cover the
> road there. The reservation does not include the road in OSM.
>
> 2) Split the way that currently cuts off the toe, but I need to not muck
> up the CA-AZ border.
>
> 3) Add the lines for the toe. This also involves moving the northern
> edge of the Palo Verde Ecological Reserve, whose northern edge is too
> far north in OSM.
>
> 4) Actually the nothern edge of the eco reserve needs to be split off
> because it is now also the border of the reservation.
>
> 5) Add the ways created for the norther edge of the toe into the
> reservation's relation.
>
> And that is it. And I need to not break all of the other things around.
> Easy peasy! :--)
>
> I am open to any suggestions. On the other hand, I am willing to do
> these things when I figure out some of the advanced stuff in JOSM. Fun
> stuff.
>
> cheers - ray
>
>
>
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[Talk-us] interesting crossing of borders between CA and AZ

[Ray Kiddy]

Hello -

I am seeing an interesting editing task at the eastern edge of Riverside 
County in California. As of now, I am not expert enough in JOSM to do 
it, but I will, at some point, be able to do it and I will do it then. 
Unless someone else wants it.


I am starting to add lines to define the city boundaries of Blythe, CA. 
Almost nothing is there in OSM.


But the interesting bit is at the nothern part of the eastern edge of 
the city boundary. This line in the Colorado River actually separates 
the states of California and Arizona and is the eastern boarder of 
Blythe but it is also the western border of the Colorado River Indian 
Tribes Reservation (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/702934460).


The issue is that the southern border of the reservation actually 
crosses the CA-AZ state line and this is not seen in OSM. It has a "toe" 
sort of shape, facing west. See the eastern edge of the map below.


https://gis.countyofriverside.us/Html5Viewer/?viewer=MMC_Public

So, what I think I need to do is:

1) Change the reservation from a way into a relation with the proper 
admin level. (Done)


1a) Fix the southern border of the reservation, which should cover the 
road there. The reservation does not include the road in OSM.


2) Split the way that currently cuts off the toe, but I need to not muck 
up the CA-AZ border.


3) Add the lines for the toe. This also involves moving the northern 
edge of the Palo Verde Ecological Reserve, whose northern edge is too 
far north in OSM.


4) Actually the nothern edge of the eco reserve needs to be split off 
because it is now also the border of the reservation.


5) Add the ways created for the norther edge of the toe into the 
reservation's relation.


And that is it. And I need to not break all of the other things around. 
Easy peasy! :--)


I am open to any suggestions. On the other hand, I am willing to do 
these things when I figure out some of the advanced stuff in JOSM. Fun 
stuff.


cheers - ray



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