Re: [Talk-us] Clear Creek County in Colorado has a broken county boundary

2020-07-17 Thread stevea
Taylor Smock wrote:

> https://data.colorado.gov/Transportation/Counties-in-Colorado/67vn-ijga The 
> `About` tab /claims/ that the data is Public Domain, but
> I would double check, just in case. (Some people I've talked to in county 
> governments thought public domain meant the data was
> available for the public, /not/ that the copyright status was public domain, 
> so I've learned to double check). 

Thank you for that link, Taylor.  While I am not an attorney, I am confident 
enough that when a state government adds metadata of "License:  Public Domain" 
I can discern these data are ODbL-compatible.  So I essentially re-drew OSM's 
previously-broken (significant chunks missing) polygon for Clear Creek County 
based on these data (and using the missing segment whole and unchanged).  This 
also required some massage of the data for part of the boundary shared with 
Gilpin County.  I attributed the link above in the changeset's source comment.

Especially in the area of James Peak (node/358916927), there are a number of 
boundaries here (James Peak Wilderness Area, James Peak Protection Area, Grand 
County, Continental Divide) which remain quite messy, with significant errors 
that look to be around 20 to 30 meters.  Indeed, the Continental Divide itself 
(way/385331055) is tagged FIXME=improve precision.

While I don't often publicly complain about OSM's data, thanks to this dataset 
submission to talk-us, I have noticed that a fair amount of county boundary 
data in Colorado, while extant in OSM, have serious drift and accuracy errors — 
hundreds of meters or even kilometers.  As there exist ODbL-compatible data 
which are clearly superior to OSM's current dataset, I recommend a dedicated 
editor (or team) properly import these, conflating with existing data where 
necessary (there appear to be many shared ways for edges of forest and 
wilderness boundaries).  This necessarily will be careful work, but OSM will be 
much better for it.

I don't know how extensive these sorts of data errors are in other states.  I 
stumbled down this rabbit hole while using 
http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=5=40.2=-97.5=0B000FFFTFTTTFF
 to quality-check county-boundary tagging.  There are still some oddities 
(several counties in California plus a score or so sprinkled around the lower 
48) where I still do not quite understand why they remain in apparent error, 
despite my "healing" some previously-broken boundaries.  It could be I don't 
fully understand this renderer's tiling schedule.  But while this rendering has 
improved some of those broken counties due to my improvements, some of them 
stubbornly refuse to better render, despite seeming correct (and 
correctly-tagged) polygons.  Hm.

I'm "slowly watching" this (county boundaries which appear to have decayed to 
brokenness, then repairing them), but I wanted to both share my activities more 
widely with the US OSM community, as well as thank Taylor for his quick reply 
to my request for state-issued county boundary data:  I appreciate the pointer.

SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-us] Clear Creek County in Colorado has a broken county boundary

2020-07-16 Thread Taylor Smock
https://data.colorado.gov/Transportation/Counties-in-Colorado/67vn-ijga

The `About` tab /claims/ that the data is Public Domain, but I would
double check, just in case. (Some people I've talked to in county
governments thought public domain meant the data was available for the
public, /not/ that the copyright status was public domain, so I've
learned to double check).

On 7/16/20 12:28 PM, stevea wrote:
> If any Colorado or Rocky Mountain area mappers know where data may be 
> acquired to fix some missing segments in the boundary of Clear Creek County 
> (relation/442310), I ask that they either be pointed to or that those data 
> please be repaired.
>
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[Talk-us] Clear Creek County in Colorado has a broken county boundary

2020-07-16 Thread stevea
If any Colorado or Rocky Mountain area mappers know where data may be acquired 
to fix some missing segments in the boundary of Clear Creek County 
(relation/442310), I ask that they either be pointed to or that those data 
please be repaired.

SteveA
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