Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Luis Villa]

To be clear, I am not volunteering myself- besides giving time to the LWG,
I have a baby coming in less than a month, so I'm trying to have fewer
projects, not more. I'm just trying to help defend the board :)

(And yes, I know all about cat herding. If the phrase translated well it
would have been on my last business card.)

Luis

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016, 9:31 PM Greg Morgan  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:55 AM Steve Coast  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
>>> >> I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be
>>> a communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid
>>> staff that do nothing but manage all these communication options.
>>> >
>>> > Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another
>>> volunteer managing communications without being a board member?
>>>
>>> Because volunteers tend to be terrible at doing work that isn’t fun.
>>>
>>
>> Good thing board members are paid, then! Oh, wait ;)
>>
>> Seriously, I'm with Paul- a designated group of volunteers who actually
>> enjoys and wants to do this would create a lot of value. (Casually engaged
>> people like me would get a lot out of it.)
>>
>> But making the board *more* of a working board is not a healthy trend.
>> Except in a few very, very key areas (finance, mostly) the board should be
>> about identifying issues and encouraging people to work on them, not doing
>> things themselves.
>>
>
> Luis, I am one hundred percent behind you.  Just like with Martijn, I
> helped out with a starting wiki page. A blank page is no fun.  Here you
> go.[1]  Go man Go!  If you have the secret sauce to grease the wheels, then
> document away.  You would answer the problem for US OSM and many other
> volunteer organizations. Please remember, the US Board is still the owner
> and would require approval when you have an implementation plan with your
> "casually engaged people."  I've been around enough people from Missouri to
> say, "Show Me!"  Well then there is Linus Torvalds: “Talk is cheap. Show me
> the code.”  I also found two links that provide you with another
> perspective on Steve's statement, "Because volunteers tend to be terrible
> at doing work that isn’t fun." [2], [3]
>
> As always we'll be watching and supporting you.  I've have a watch marked
> on the wiki page so that I can cheer for you.
>
> I hope this helps,
> Greg
>
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Communications
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herding_cats
> [3] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herding+cats
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Steve Coast]

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:55 AM Steve Coast  > wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Paul Norman  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
> >> I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a 
> >> communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid staff 
> >> that do nothing but manage all these communication options.
> >
> > Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another volunteer 
> > managing communications without being a board member?
> 
> Because volunteers tend to be terrible at doing work that isn’t fun.
> 
> Good thing board members are paid, then! Oh, wait ;)

Being on the board has a bunch of prestige and you can leverage it in to a job 
and VC money. Being an unpaid guy answering 1,000 emails a day on “what is a 
map?” has fewer benefits.

> Seriously, I'm with Paul- a designated group of volunteers who actually 
> enjoys and wants to do this would create a lot of value. (Casually engaged 
> people like me would get a lot out of it.)

I completely agree, which is why we tried it before. It’s just very hard 
compared to just paying people.

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Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Luis Villa]

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:55 AM Steve Coast  wrote:

>
> > On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> >
> > On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
> >> I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a
> communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid staff
> that do nothing but manage all these communication options.
> >
> > Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another volunteer
> managing communications without being a board member?
>
> Because volunteers tend to be terrible at doing work that isn’t fun.
>

Good thing board members are paid, then! Oh, wait ;)

Seriously, I'm with Paul- a designated group of volunteers who actually
enjoys and wants to do this would create a lot of value. (Casually engaged
people like me would get a lot out of it.)

But making the board *more* of a working board is not a healthy trend.
Except in a few very, very key areas (finance, mostly) the board should be
about identifying issues and encouraging people to work on them, not doing
things themselves.

Luis
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Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Steve Coast]

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> 
> On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
>> I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a 
>> communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid staff 
>> that do nothing but manage all these communication options. 
> 
> Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another volunteer 
> managing communications without being a board member?

Because volunteers tend to be terrible at doing work that isn’t fun.

Steve
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Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Greg Morgan]

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
>
>> I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a
>> communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid staff
>> that do nothing but manage all these communication options.
>>
>
> Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another volunteer
> managing communications without being a board member?
>

Umm...because I am thinking like the US mission statement.  (Note that I
added under bars for emphasis.) Because I have little time nor interest to
join all the social media groups.  Because I would think the board has
access to information that I do not.  Because I would think that this would
be all about transparency of the board.

I enjoy listening to our conference videos. They are thought provoking. I
try to attend the state of the map every year but some other concern
prevents my attendance. It is not like I am saying, "not my job".  I asked
permission from the US board via the board's email address.  I did not want
to step on someones toes if a person on the 2016 organizing committee
already called dibs for the job.  I'd be happy to take on the job of
organizing the You Tube and Vimeo video channels.  I love this media.  I am
perfect for the job.  You create 'em.  I'll arrange 'em.  However, that
would require security access and trust that may not be appropriate under
this circumstances.

I am just discussing one part of fostering awarenes.  Hence my thoughts
about one position on the board to help manage the load of all
communications.

Regards,
Greg

Mission statement

We strive to support the OpenStreetMap project in the United States through
___fostering awareness___, ensuring broad availability of data, continuous
quality improvement, and an active community.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Mission_statement
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Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

[Paul Norman]

On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be 
a communications manager.  I now understand why corporations have paid 
staff that do nothing but manage all these communication options. 


Why would this need to be a board member as opposed to another volunteer 
managing communications without being a board member?


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