Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

[Clifford Snow]

I update Martijn overpass query to find ferry routes without a duration
tag. Washington State is considered to have the largest ferry system in the
world, but damm, I didn't know there were so many ferry routes in the state!

These are just the one's without a duration tag. I have emails into a
number of the operators to get durations. Other I just need to lookup. Work
in progress.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qna

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of adding ferries without duration to MapRoulette — great
> idea!
> If you don't, I will!  (Well, it might take me a while).
> I'll check in a week or so and if nobody has, I'll give it a go.
>
> (Last ferry I rode in BC was to Bowen Island to attend a wedding of some
> friends who grew up there).
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

I like the idea of adding ferries without duration to MapRoulette — great idea!If you don't, I will!  (Well, it might take me a while).I'll check in a week or so and if nobody has, I'll give it a go.(Last ferry I rode in BC was to Bowen Island to attend a wedding of some friends who grew up there).SteveACalifornia
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Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

[m]

> On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:52 PM, m...@rtijn.org wrote:
> 
> I used to depend on a ferry for my commute[1] so the topic connects with me 
> as well.
> 
> Looking at how this is currently mapped, I see some shortcomings we might 
> want to address:
> * The duration is mostly mapped on the way, rather than the route=ferry 
> relation. Often the route is more than one way, wouldn’t it make more sense 
> to map duration as a tag on the relation?

Case in point, run this query and you see that the result is just the start / 
end stubs of the route, the ‘main’ ferry route way apparently has the duration 
tag: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qlF

> * The duration can be different depending on time of day / direction. 
> Accounting for that may make the tagging unwieldy so I’m inclined to not deal 
> with that, but what are your thoughts?
> * Would it make sense to map hours / days of operation using the 
> opening_hours schema as well?
> 
> Martijn
> 
> [1] This was back in Amsterdam. There is a tunnel for motorized traffic to 
> the city, but the only option for cyclists and pedestrians (>50% of all 
> commutes!) is a ferry. It runs very frequently and the crossing is short, but 
> to optimize my commute I created a mobile web site that counted down to the 
> next departure, so I could quickly look up the time to the next departure so 
> I knew whether to pedal a little faster or slower. Defunct now but here is 
> the blog post for historical reference 
> https://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/public-transit-schedule-encoding/ 
>  
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Nick Peihl > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Martijn,
>> 
>> As a resident of a ferry-served island in WA, I fully support adding this 
>> job to MapRoulette. Thanks!
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM, > 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just to let you know, my map team colleagues have been adding a few 
>> `duration` tags to ferry routes in BC yesterday. Since this was already 
>> established practice, I am only mentioning it now. I am crossposting to 
>> talk-us because I wanted to see if folks there have given any thought to 
>> ferry duration tagging? The documented practice is to add duration=hh:mm to 
>> the way that makes up the ferry route. If you think this is fun to map I 
>> could add ferry routes without duration to MapRoulette.
>> 
>> Here is the current state of duration tags in BC: 
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qlE 
>> 
>> Martijn
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

[m]

I used to depend on a ferry for my commute[1] so the topic connects with me as 
well.

Looking at how this is currently mapped, I see some shortcomings we might want 
to address:
* The duration is mostly mapped on the way, rather than the route=ferry 
relation. Often the route is more than one way, wouldn’t it make more sense to 
map duration as a tag on the relation?
* The duration can be different depending on time of day / direction. 
Accounting for that may make the tagging unwieldy so I’m inclined to not deal 
with that, but what are your thoughts?
* Would it make sense to map hours / days of operation using the opening_hours 
schema as well?

Martijn

[1] This was back in Amsterdam. There is a tunnel for motorized traffic to the 
city, but the only option for cyclists and pedestrians (>50% of all commutes!) 
is a ferry. It runs very frequently and the crossing is short, but to optimize 
my commute I created a mobile web site that counted down to the next departure, 
so I could quickly look up the time to the next departure so I knew whether to 
pedal a little faster or slower. Defunct now but here is the blog post for 
historical reference 
https://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/public-transit-schedule-encoding/ 
 

> On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Nick Peihl  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martijn,
> 
> As a resident of a ferry-served island in WA, I fully support adding this job 
> to MapRoulette. Thanks!
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM, > 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just to let you know, my map team colleagues have been adding a few 
> `duration` tags to ferry routes in BC yesterday. Since this was already 
> established practice, I am only mentioning it now. I am crossposting to 
> talk-us because I wanted to see if folks there have given any thought to 
> ferry duration tagging? The documented practice is to add duration=hh:mm to 
> the way that makes up the ferry route. If you think this is fun to map I 
> could add ferry routes without duration to MapRoulette.
> 
> Here is the current state of duration tags in BC: 
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qlE 
> 
> Martijn
> 
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[Talk-us] Ferry durations

[m]

Hi all, 

Just to let you know, my map team colleagues have been adding a few `duration` 
tags to ferry routes in BC yesterday. Since this was already established 
practice, I am only mentioning it now. I am crossposting to talk-us because I 
wanted to see if folks there have given any thought to ferry duration tagging? 
The documented practice is to add duration=hh:mm to the way that makes up the 
ferry route. If you think this is fun to map I could add ferry routes without 
duration to MapRoulette.

Here is the current state of duration tags in BC: 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qlE 

Martijn


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