Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 7:08 PM, Evin Fairchild  wrote:

> You're welcome. I don't think that was the I-81/I-86 interchange that
> NYSDOT was referring to, but yeah, I figured it ought to be fixed. I'm
> pretty sure NYSDOT is referring to the T-interchange a few miles NW of the
> one I just edited. Since I live on the other side of the country, fixing
> that one is going to be beyond my knowledge or ability to survey.
>
>
Oh, yeah, the Chenango River crossing looks to be an even worse mess. As of
the imagery in NYS Orthos Online, construction was obviously in progress -
and neither the 'construction' nor the 'motorway' in OSM lines up with what
I see in the orthoimagery.

I see that the DOT has the construction documents available at
https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/region9/projects/prospect-mountain-route-17
.  It's a complex project. The good news is that there are georeferenced
plan views of everything.

I can certainly see on OSM that the ways do NOT connect through there, and
that there's a lot of overdrawing, including things like untagged ways. NYS
Orthos Online clearly shows a construction zone, and I'm virtually certain
that the current traffic routing is different from what I see in the
orthoimagery.

I think that taking this on as an ongoing project will be too much for me,
and certainly untangling the mess that I see at the Chenango is too much
for me right now - life is simply getting in the way of mapping. I think
I'm going to have to bow out and let someone else give this a try. I have
relatively little experience with freeway mapping; my chief mapping
interest is outdoor recreation.

For whoever is able to take this on - I definitely recommend  using NYS
Orthos Online for tracing. It's at least new enough to show construction in
progress on the new bridges and the interchanges on I-86. Bing, Digital
Globe, ESRI, and Mapbox are all hopelessly out of date.
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Evin Fairchild]

You're welcome. I don't think that was the I-81/I-86 interchange that
NYSDOT was referring to, but yeah, I figured it ought to be fixed. I'm
pretty sure NYSDOT is referring to the T-interchange a few miles NW of the
one I just edited. Since I live on the other side of the country, fixing
that one is going to be beyond my knowledge or ability to survey.

-compdude

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 12:51 PM Kevin Kenny  wrote:

> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Kenny 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the
>> moment. Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I
>> don't anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the
>> near future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the
>> upper Delaware valley.
>>
>> Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
>>
>
> I see that in the last hour or so, OSM user 'compdude' has done at least
> some repairs to the I-81/I-86 interchange so that now at least the ramps
> connect. Thanks, 'compdude'! If that's the interchange in question, it now
> matches the aerials in NYS Orthos Online pretty closely. Anything else
> would need either data from the DOT or else more field work that I'm not in
> a position to do right now.
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the
> moment. Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I
> don't anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the
> near future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the
> upper Delaware valley.
>
> Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
>

I see that in the last hour or so, OSM user 'compdude' has done at least
some repairs to the I-81/I-86 interchange so that now at least the ramps
connect. Thanks, 'compdude'! If that's the interchange in question, it now
matches the aerials in NYS Orthos Online pretty closely. Anything else
would need either data from the DOT or else more field work that I'm not in
a position to do right now.
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the moment.
Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I don't
anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the near
future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the upper
Delaware valley.

Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
If your DOT contact can provide us with plats of the current and proposed
changes (and the required permission to trace and/or import, of course!) I
can try to transcribe the data into OSM.  It would be a major plus if the
plats are georeferenced so I don't have to do the comparison with
orthophotos myself.. I can take pretty much any datum that the state and
county governments use around here - State Plane Coordinates (NAD27) and
UTM zone 18N (NAD83) are what I most often find, but I run into the
occasional oddball. Even just having state plane grid ticks in the corners
of a plan is a major plus for tracing.

Is the interchange in question the I-86/NY17/I-81/US11 mess? If so, I can
see that it's damaged in OSM - several segments of the I-81 flyover are
just plain missing. (If they reflect a bridge that's out, there's no
indication in OSM of how the traffic is routed around it.) I can see where
DOT would have a problem with how the data appear currently.

I'm not on Slack very much. It's blocked in my workplace, and when I have
the time and inclination to do mapping at home, I'm pretty focused on the
JOSM window.

(And this message reminds me - time to work on updating the public lands
imports; the hiking season is starting up, which is when the park and
forest boundaries start becoming interesting.)

Kevin


On Fri, May 18, 2018, 9:09 AM Bryan Housel  wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up Andy!
> Of the top of my head, I consider Russ Nelson, Kevin Kenny, Richard Welty
> are all power users in NY State (though maybe not the Binghamton area) and
> would be great for this.
>
> I will share your message on Slack too.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > The Data Working Group has recently received an email from someone at
> dot.ny.gov, saying that there's a general problem with satnav directions
> following changes to this interchange:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.11451/-75.90885
> >
> > Essentially, it's in the process of being changed and there will be
> temporary reconfigurations during construction until the final layout is
> achieved.  Also, what's currently in OSM (which seems to be mostly a few
> years old) isn't up to date.  I've explained that OSM is created by
> volunteers and linked to https://www.openstreetmap.org/about etc. to
> provide a bit more background.
> >
> > What they've asked for is a contact within OSM who they can work with to
> ensure that the data is updated to be correct as of now, and changed as and
> when future changes occur.
> >
> > Obviously it makes sense for the person doing this to be at least on the
> same continent, so I'm asking for a volunteer here.  Email me via
> ajt1...@gmail.com and I'll pass the details on.  Also, if anyone can
> think of anyone who might want to do it and might not be reading talk-us,
> please pass the message on to them too.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the heads up Andy!
Of the top of my head, I consider Russ Nelson, Kevin Kenny, Richard Welty are 
all power users in NY State (though maybe not the Binghamton area) and would be 
great for this.

I will share your message on Slack too.

Bryan




> On May 18, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The Data Working Group has recently received an email from someone at 
> dot.ny.gov, saying that there's a general problem with satnav directions 
> following changes to this interchange:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.11451/-75.90885
> 
> Essentially, it's in the process of being changed and there will be temporary 
> reconfigurations during construction until the final layout is achieved.  
> Also, what's currently in OSM (which seems to be mostly a few years old) 
> isn't up to date.  I've explained that OSM is created by volunteers and 
> linked to https://www.openstreetmap.org/about etc. to provide a bit more 
> background.
> 
> What they've asked for is a contact within OSM who they can work with to 
> ensure that the data is updated to be correct as of now, and changed as and 
> when future changes occur.
> 
> Obviously it makes sense for the person doing this to be at least on the same 
> continent, so I'm asking for a volunteer here.  Email me via 
> ajt1...@gmail.com and I'll pass the details on.  Also, if anyone can think of 
> anyone who might want to do it and might not be reading talk-us, please pass 
> the message on to them too.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
> 
> 
> 
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