[Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Spencer Riddile
I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns that are 
included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import into OSM.  Has 
anyone set a precedent for this already?  Would it make sense for me to add a 
section to the wiki page for the USFS 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an effort to 
standardize?  This would be for trails specifically and would follow what has 
been established on the Hiking wiki page 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking).

National Forest Trails
tags proposed:

* owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf, county, 
state, city_town
* closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissionedAlso, are 
there tags to keep information about metadata like the data source (i.e. gps, 
digitized, etc)?

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Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 10:48 -0500, Russ Nelson wrote:
  Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the
  data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)?
 
 Chris and Dave have set a standard for imports that says that existing
 metadata should be preserved.  As long as you do that, anybody who
 comes along later can turn that metadata into OSM tags. 

Yeah, I'd say please preserve as much as you can *especially* so people
can track the origin of the data. 

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Matt Maxon
Spencer Riddile wrote:
 I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns 
 that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import 
 into OSM.  Has anyone set a precedent for this already?  Would it make 
 sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an 
 effort to standardize?  This would be for trails specifically and 
 would follow what has been established on the Hiking wiki page 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking).

I do think a US specific trails page (s) would is needed and would be useful

 National Forest Trails
 tags proposed:

 * owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf,
   county, state, city_town
 * closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissioned

I'd like to see some US specific (relevant) tags

Generally here in California and my experience with the west is trails 
have a series of designations

Horse
Foot
Bicycle
OHV
Handicapped
4WD
Cross Country (informal) aka - XC or CC

There are NOT recommended designations, while not specifically 
prohibiting an activity you'd be wise to heed it or at least exercise 
caution

There seems be to a  lack of discussion  about  other  agencies  BLM, 
Park  Service  are  two biggies that come to mind.

The OHV tag would need to cover recommendations about vehicle type, 
Motorcycle, ATV, Jeep(4wd) trail width etc

I'd also like to see a us specific rating Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) 
is commonly used here in the west and very common in the climbing 
community, this would apply mostly to XC trails / routes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosemite_Decimal_System

The whole system of fees on public lands here in the US needs work

Here in SoCal parking most anywhere with in a National Forest requires 
paying a fee $5 daily or $30 annual ($80 Public Lands pass too)

Points north there are trailhead specific fees or other systems I don't 
know.

 Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the data 
 source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)?
Yes
source

Matt

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Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Matt Maxon wrote:
 Spencer Riddile wrote:
 I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns 
 that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import 
 into OSM.  Has anyone set a precedent for this already?  Would it make 
 sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an 
 effort to standardize?  This would be for trails specifically and 
 would follow what has been established on the Hiking wiki page 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking).

 I do think a US specific trails page (s) would is needed and would be useful
 
 National Forest Trails
 tags proposed:

 * owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf,
   county, state, city_town
 * closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissioned

 I'd like to see some US specific (relevant) tags
 
 Generally here in California and my experience with the west is trails 
 have a series of designations
 
 Horse
 Foot
 Bicycle
 OHV
 Handicapped
 4WD
 Cross Country (informal) aka - XC or CC
 
 There are NOT recommended designations, while not specifically 
 prohibiting an activity you'd be wise to heed it or at least exercise 
 caution

Is this not covered by the access key?  horse=designated,
ski:nordic=designated, etc.?

Not sure what OHV is (off-highway vehicle?), but it seems that a new
access type might be needed.

 There seems be to a  lack of discussion  about  other  agencies  BLM, 
 Park  Service  are  two biggies that come to mind.
 
 The OHV tag would need to cover recommendations about vehicle type, 
 Motorcycle, ATV, Jeep(4wd) trail width etc



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Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 08:11 -0800, Matt Maxon wrote:
 Here in SoCal parking most anywhere with in a National Forest
 requires 
 paying a fee $5 daily or $30 annual ($80 Public Lands pass too)

Same basic system in Oregon and Washington.  Some trailheads are
special, usually when they're really busy for some reason.

There are also entry requirements for some trails.  For instance, each
group needs to have a filled-out form when entering a national forest
around here.  Groups are also limited to 12 heartbeats.  That stuff is
good to capture in some way.

-- Dave


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