Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
Thanks for pointing out the craigslist/notes connection. A minor UI comment: I added a note about something that I know needs fixing, just to see what it was like. I didn't realize that one had to move the marker before clicking 'add', and the text box started out over the area where the marker belonged. So it would be nice if step one was click to place, and only then could one type. I think it would result in more accurate placement. An alternative would be to let users that added a note move them. (I realize this has nothing to do with externally-generated notes.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: ok, i found report a problem on the map view for housing units in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the GUI so i can see the full cycle. I only found two notes for the Greater Seattle area. (Lucky me?) One anonymous reported a business name. The other looked like a mapper that was just saying that the tiger road data was sucky. (it was.) It would be nice to have the note say the source, i.e. craigslist, osm, routing program. That might give more clues to the problem. Plus it would give us data if we decided that the reports are useless and needed to modify the API. Well as I said all craigslist notes will start with the words bounds and a coordinate pair. But yes the thought had occurred to me that a created_by tag like we have on changesets might actually be useful for notes, especially when being created by 3rd party sites like craigslist. I brought the idea up in #osm-dev and it didn't seem to get a good reception but I may try again now that someone is actually using the feature externally. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
It's probably worth pointing out that the tiles Craigslist is using are pretty out of date. For example, they don't show the buildings in Chicago that were imported a couple of months ago. Hopefully Craigslist users won't get too frustrated when the problems they point out don't appear to be fixed immediately. On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: ok, i found report a problem on the map view for housing units in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the GUI so i can see the full cycle. I only found two notes for the Greater Seattle area. (Lucky me?) One anonymous reported a business name. The other looked like a mapper that was just saying that the tiger road data was sucky. (it was.) It would be nice to have the note say the source, i.e. craigslist, osm, routing program. That might give more clues to the problem. Plus it would give us data if we decided that the reports are useless and needed to modify the API. Well as I said all craigslist notes will start with the words bounds and a coordinate pair. But yes the thought had occurred to me that a created_by tag like we have on changesets might actually be useful for notes, especially when being created by 3rd party sites like craigslist. I brought the idea up in #osm-dev and it didn't seem to get a good reception but I may try again now that someone is actually using the feature externally. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
Hi, Since we are talking about the new notes feature. I think it is great, how about showing the notes by default on main OSM page? Thanks Jason. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/31/13 6:30 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/31/13 2:57 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM Have you found that feature actually on craigslist? i'd going to go take a look at the UI if i can find it. ok, i found report a problem on the map view for housing units in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the GUI so i can see the full cycle. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM Have you found that feature actually on craigslist? On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: As I'm sure a lot of you are aware, osm.org has a new notes [1] feature (new as of a month ago) that allows anonymous users to submit random comments about our maps. Some of them will of course be unhelpful or silly but there have been many useful ones submitted since the feature went live. We actually have a bot in the #osm-us IRC channel that announces whenever a new note is posted anywhere in the US. Recently I noticed a pattern on some of the notes and guessed (correctly as it turns out) that Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM. At first things were a little chaotic and we were getting notes about Craigslist page layout problems and such. But they have tweaked some things and the reports coming in now have a better signal-to-noise ratio. There does still seem to be a fairly common problem of people reporting geocoding related problems that don't affect OSM data. These usually say something about a city name being displayed incorrectly when osm.org either has the correct city name or there isn't a city label nearby. Not quite sure what is happening there. You can tell a Craigslist note by the fact that they start with the text bounds: followed by a pair of coordinates. This indicates the map view that the user was looking at when the note was submitted. As of a few hours ago they are also adding a URL that will open the map with a box on it to graphically display this bounds information. This is just useful to see if they were zoomed in really close or looking at a whole region. I think this might be the first example of a bug sumitted after this was added: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?note=5245 But Craigslist isn't the only source of new notes and there are a lot of them waiting for resolution. So please, if you haven't taken a look recently, check the Notes box on the layer chooser on osm.org and see if there is anything near you that needs some attention. They should start showing up at zoom level 8 or 9, depending on the size of your browser window (the query is limited by geographic area, not by zoom level) Even if the note itself isn't entirely clear on what is wrong, a quick look at the area in an editor may well point out missing roads or crazy TIGER problems that might be easy to fix. If stats are your thing, Pascal Neis has made some notes statistics that are updated every hour: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes Keep in mind that not all notes are submitted by anonymous users and if you comment on a note that was submitted by an OSM user, they will be notified of your response. This allows for some discussion of the issue if need be. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM Have you found that feature actually on craigslist? It's in the process of posting a housing ad. When you place the marker for your ad there's a button that lets you report a problem with the map. Here's a screenshot from the other day: http://i.imgur.com/JK5TYfi.png They've since removed the s at the end of OpenStreetMap. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
On 5/31/13 2:57 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM Have you found that feature actually on craigslist? i'd going to go take a look at the UI if i can find it. there is a note on the wiki page for the new feature: It is OK for third party sites or apps that use OpenStreetMap data to include notes functionality through the API. This feature will however, only be useful if the quality of reports are high. Therefore it is important that the issue reports include sufficient information and detail for an experienced mapper to be able to fix the issue. Also, it is important that you make your users aware that this is to be used only for commenting on map data issues and not general aspects of your site or app. developers, take heed! i have found most of the bug reports on mapdust (which has some sort of mobile device tie in) to be pretty useless, drivers in their cars tend not to enter anywhere near enough information. i have added notes requesting more information and never gotten a response to any of them. i generally end up closing the old stale ones for not enough information. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
On May 31, 2013 5:52 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/31/13 6:30 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/31/13 2:57 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM Have you found that feature actually on craigslist? i'd going to go take a look at the UI if i can find it. ok, i found report a problem on the map view for housing units in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the GUI so i can see the full cycle. It's not on the map view itself it's during the posting process. If you end up on a Craigslist forum page you're in the wrong spot. See my linked screenshot. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: ok, i found report a problem on the map view for housing units in an area. i'll have to go find a map problem and report it via the GUI so i can see the full cycle. I only found two notes for the Greater Seattle area. (Lucky me?) One anonymous reported a business name. The other looked like a mapper that was just saying that the tiger road data was sucky. (it was.) It would be nice to have the note say the source, i.e. craigslist, osm, routing program. That might give more clues to the problem. Plus it would give us data if we decided that the reports are useless and needed to modify the API. But it's a good start. Be nice if more apps used it, especially ones like Foursquare. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Take another look at notes!
As I'm sure a lot of you are aware, osm.org has a new notes [1] feature (new as of a month ago) that allows anonymous users to submit random comments about our maps. Some of them will of course be unhelpful or silly but there have been many useful ones submitted since the feature went live. We actually have a bot in the #osm-us IRC channel that announces whenever a new note is posted anywhere in the US. Recently I noticed a pattern on some of the notes and guessed (correctly as it turns out) that Craigslist had added a feature to their OSM powered maps to submit map problems back to OSM. At first things were a little chaotic and we were getting notes about Craigslist page layout problems and such. But they have tweaked some things and the reports coming in now have a better signal-to-noise ratio. There does still seem to be a fairly common problem of people reporting geocoding related problems that don't affect OSM data. These usually say something about a city name being displayed incorrectly when osm.org either has the correct city name or there isn't a city label nearby. Not quite sure what is happening there. You can tell a Craigslist note by the fact that they start with the text bounds: followed by a pair of coordinates. This indicates the map view that the user was looking at when the note was submitted. As of a few hours ago they are also adding a URL that will open the map with a box on it to graphically display this bounds information. This is just useful to see if they were zoomed in really close or looking at a whole region. I think this might be the first example of a bug sumitted after this was added: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?note=5245 But Craigslist isn't the only source of new notes and there are a lot of them waiting for resolution. So please, if you haven't taken a look recently, check the Notes box on the layer chooser on osm.org and see if there is anything near you that needs some attention. They should start showing up at zoom level 8 or 9, depending on the size of your browser window (the query is limited by geographic area, not by zoom level) Even if the note itself isn't entirely clear on what is wrong, a quick look at the area in an editor may well point out missing roads or crazy TIGER problems that might be easy to fix. If stats are your thing, Pascal Neis has made some notes statistics that are updated every hour: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes Keep in mind that not all notes are submitted by anonymous users and if you comment on a note that was submitted by an OSM user, they will be notified of your response. This allows for some discussion of the issue if need be. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
