Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
Steve, I agree that if we could have another month at least, we could probably at least untaint all of the Interstates in the US if everybody helped out. It would be better than nothing at least IMO. But Steve, it doesn't help that you are also one of the undecided users in CA. - James James: First of all, I am not undecided, I accepted the newer CT about a year ago, and have seriously contributed thousands of improvements to OSM since 2009. Check http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/stevea if you need proof. Second of all, I am in a state called California, I have never been to a place called CA. (And there is a difference; see the Buck Act of 1940). Please be careful! I'm just trying to ignite some serious discussion on the possibility of slightly pushing back the April 1 deadline, a modest, timely and actually quite helpful proposal, in my opinion. Happy mapping to everybody, long live OSM, SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
Sorry, my bad. I saw another Steve A account in California that was Undecided and thought that was your account since it edited in Fresno, California.http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Steve_A And yes, I do agree a possible push back at least a month would be helpful. Especially for South Carolina and California. -- James Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:08:18 -0700 To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com; talk-us@openstreetmap.org From: stevea...@softworkers.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap! Steve, I agree that if we could have another month at least, we could probably at least untaint all of the Interstates in the US if everybody helped out. It would be better than nothing at least IMO. But Steve, it doesn't help that you are also one of the undecided users in CA. - James James: First of all, I am not undecided, I accepted the newer CT about a year ago, and have seriously contributed thousands of improvements to OSM since 2009. Check http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/stevea if you need proof. Second of all, I am in a state called California, I have never been to a place called CA. (And there is a difference; see the Buck Act of 1940). Please be careful! I'm just trying to ignite some serious discussion on the possibility of slightly pushing back the April 1 deadline, a modest, timely and actually quite helpful proposal, in my opinion. Happy mapping to everybody, long live OSM, SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
The 27th? Damn. I thought it was going to go read-only on the 1st... At least that's what I've been telling people who I've been contacting to see if they will accept the new CT (which is still being somewhat successful geting at least 2-3 people a day to accept). Ugh. - James Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:59:07 -0500 From: toby.mur...@gmail.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap! I don't think this has been reposted to talk-us yet. According to the latest license change rebuild plan, the database will enter read-only mode on March 27th for the license rebuild: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan So that gives us a matter of days to do any more remapping. It seems like the US hasn't seen a concerted effort to remap dirty data like some other countries have. So here is my attempt to get that started. I'm not sure if some people still don't know about the license change of if people think someone else will take care of the important things... But *everything* is on the chopping block! Some highlights: 1) State/county borders. I've actually cleaned up a good chunk of these and hope to finish in the next few days. I may have to reimport some of the remaining ways. Anyone have thoughts on the best source for this information? 2) The interstate system. I've taken care of about 4 or 5 states here in the midwest but there is a large swath from Illinois down to South Carolina that will become unroutable on April 1st. This will set OSM back immensely in the eyes of anyone actually trying to use our data. 3) Specific cities: Los Angeles, Ausin, Seattle. Most major cities have some unclean blobs in them but these are particularly nasty. User blars has not responded to repeated requests for contact and I have reason to believe he is intentionally ignoring anything OSM related. His contributions are beyond huge in the LA area and really along a lot of the west coast. Seattle is mostly affected by user Sunny who has proven to be unreachable despite my best cyberstalking attempts. Austin, TX is also largely affected by one prolific user but it has actually gotten some attention so it isn't entirely doomed. 4) Shorelines. These were imported from a public domain source by an anonymous user. I'm tempted to largely mark this with odbl=clean and call it a day. Thoughts? In light of this, I would strongly encourage everyone reading this list to suspend your current mapping efforts and concentrate entirely on license remapping for the next few days. It's not the most fun work but it needs to get done. Tools to use: JOSM license change plugin. Select everything in an area and hit the License Check button. Start deleting red things and replacing them from clean sources: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/LicenseChange Potlatch2 I think now has the license change layer enabled by default. If not, go into the options and make sure Show license status is checked. Again... remove anything with a red halo and replace. Badmap. Dirty interstates are clearly visible: http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=5lat=41.12823lon=-99.48465layers=00B0 OSM Inspector. Good for drilling down and finding individual objects to remap: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-100.24219lat=40.17384zoom=4 TIGER 2011 road name tiles. Used as a background imagery layer while editing. Good to pull street names while remapping residential areas. Just be sure to expand the abbreviations while you're at it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011 I have also written two blog posts on my own remapping efforts. The first focuses on interstates where there is existing clean data to work with. The biggest trick here is making sure you don't break the route relations. But honestly I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as the ways are intact, routing will continue to work. We can come back later and clean up the route relations after the license change. http://ksmapper.blogspot.com/2012/01/license-change-mapping.html The second post is quite a bit more technical and I don't expect many others to follow it really. It was useful in that area of LA but it involves some traditional GIS tools, data analysis and a little python coding. For this type of work, most people would be better off using the TIGER 2011 road name tiles listed above. http://ksmapper.blogspot.com/2012/03/remapping-using-tiger-2011.html Honestly, it is kind of late to be sending out this email... I probably should have done it a couple of weeks ago but hopefully we can still make a meaningful dent in the dirty data. At least this whole process is almost over... Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: The 27th? Damn. I thought it was going to go read-only on the 1st... At least that's what I've been telling people who I've been contacting to see if they will accept the new CT (which is still being somewhat successful geting at least 2-3 people a day to accept). Ugh. Yeah, that was my first reaction too. And several others have expressed concerns about the tight schedule for a couple of different reasons. So there is still a chance that it will be pushed back a little. But either way... not much time left. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
I don't think this has been reposted to talk-us yet. According to the latest license change rebuild plan, the database will enter read-only mode on March 27th for the license rebuild: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan It has been stated that it is a GOAL to pull the plug on April 1st. The Sword of Damocles wielded by the Powers That Be in OSM are under no hard-and-fast obligation to do so, they are just trying to reach a stated goal. If (as it is looking more and more to be true) that significant areas will disappear from the map, making routing and other important uses of these data seriously impaired, it is incumbent upon the Powers That Be to declare failure at reaching the stated goals. Yes, this is disappointing, but it is true. The only meaningful conclusion that can be reached is to give the OSM community more time and push back the April 1st (or March 27th) deadline. (One month? Three months?) Is this an eleventh hour request to do so? Well, yes! But every word of the above is true. The OSM community simply must have more time to complete these tasks. It is as simple as that. Don't cripple an extremely useful and becoming-more-mainstream and rather popular tool with arbitrary and capricious dates on a calendar. Plan and assess, yes, that has already happened, but now is the time to RE-assess, and reach the solemn conclusion that flipping the switch on significant data in barely a week is ill-advised at best, and will be a crippling body blow to the project at worst. Perhaps one from which the project will not fully recover. Nobody asked me to say it, but I'm asking for three more months. We can complete needed tasks by then. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] We have less than a week left to remap!
I don't think this has been reposted to talk-us yet. According to the latest license change rebuild plan, the database will enter read-only mode on March 27th for the license rebuild: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan So that gives us a matter of days to do any more remapping. It seems like the US hasn't seen a concerted effort to remap dirty data like some other countries have. So here is my attempt to get that started. I'm not sure if some people still don't know about the license change of if people think someone else will take care of the important things... But *everything* is on the chopping block! Some highlights: 1) State/county borders. I've actually cleaned up a good chunk of these and hope to finish in the next few days. I may have to reimport some of the remaining ways. Anyone have thoughts on the best source for this information? 2) The interstate system. I've taken care of about 4 or 5 states here in the midwest but there is a large swath from Illinois down to South Carolina that will become unroutable on April 1st. This will set OSM back immensely in the eyes of anyone actually trying to use our data. 3) Specific cities: Los Angeles, Ausin, Seattle. Most major cities have some unclean blobs in them but these are particularly nasty. User blars has not responded to repeated requests for contact and I have reason to believe he is intentionally ignoring anything OSM related. His contributions are beyond huge in the LA area and really along a lot of the west coast. Seattle is mostly affected by user Sunny who has proven to be unreachable despite my best cyberstalking attempts. Austin, TX is also largely affected by one prolific user but it has actually gotten some attention so it isn't entirely doomed. 4) Shorelines. These were imported from a public domain source by an anonymous user. I'm tempted to largely mark this with odbl=clean and call it a day. Thoughts? In light of this, I would strongly encourage everyone reading this list to suspend your current mapping efforts and concentrate entirely on license remapping for the next few days. It's not the most fun work but it needs to get done. Tools to use: JOSM license change plugin. Select everything in an area and hit the License Check button. Start deleting red things and replacing them from clean sources: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/LicenseChange Potlatch2 I think now has the license change layer enabled by default. If not, go into the options and make sure Show license status is checked. Again... remove anything with a red halo and replace. Badmap. Dirty interstates are clearly visible: http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=5lat=41.12823lon=-99.48465layers=00B0 OSM Inspector. Good for drilling down and finding individual objects to remap: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-100.24219lat=40.17384zoom=4 TIGER 2011 road name tiles. Used as a background imagery layer while editing. Good to pull street names while remapping residential areas. Just be sure to expand the abbreviations while you're at it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011 I have also written two blog posts on my own remapping efforts. The first focuses on interstates where there is existing clean data to work with. The biggest trick here is making sure you don't break the route relations. But honestly I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as the ways are intact, routing will continue to work. We can come back later and clean up the route relations after the license change. http://ksmapper.blogspot.com/2012/01/license-change-mapping.html The second post is quite a bit more technical and I don't expect many others to follow it really. It was useful in that area of LA but it involves some traditional GIS tools, data analysis and a little python coding. For this type of work, most people would be better off using the TIGER 2011 road name tiles listed above. http://ksmapper.blogspot.com/2012/03/remapping-using-tiger-2011.html Honestly, it is kind of late to be sending out this email... I probably should have done it a couple of weeks ago but hopefully we can still make a meaningful dent in the dirty data. At least this whole process is almost over... Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
