Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Michael Patrick]

> You can check ourairports.com. It is a PD source that has been used for an
> OSM import in the US: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
>   search for airport.
>

I spot checked several 'airports' on this list I am familiar with, and then
stopped. Aside from the very major ones, there are serious inaccuracies.
Some of this data is obviously scraped from other sources without
verifying.

Keep in mind that it's perfectly acceptable to set up a private
> runway/airfield that isn't listed on any FAA or official source. The two
> examples you give are pretty clearly airfields with runways (you can see
> where the runway lights are, they have support buildings, and the first
> link has a turnaround on the far end of the runway to let planes taxi back
> to the hangar).
>

I grew up in Montana, and through  high school flew as an observer on many
search and rescue practice missions, some in this area. Even the presence
of these features does not mean this is a viable aviation facility on an
ongoing basis.

Safe ingress and egress can change on a day by day, or even hour by hour
basis, some places even require 'boots on the ground' to walk the field to
ensure conditions, or have obstructions or wind conditions that require
*very* local knowledge. There are many places that have airfield like
characteristics that go back as far as the early biplane airmail routes,
and the US Army also built quite a few emergency fields during WW II.
Recently, because of major wild fire fighting activities, some of these
have been very temporarily recommissioned, than abandoned.

My recommendation is if you are going to label something as an sort of
aviation facility, use the FAA data at
http://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_safety/airportdata_5010/ .

If it's associated with some facility like a ranch, you can add an amenity
tag or some such, with an appropriate contact number.

Otherwise, that 'airfield' is still just a 'field', and no different than
the fact that just about any sizable lake is a seaplane runway. At the
local fairgrounds, farm pastures are pressed into service during the fair
as visitor parking, just because there are cars, pay booths, markers once a
year doesn't make it a parking lot - it's just a field.

Michael Patrick
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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Lars Ahlzen]

Ian is right that not all private airports are recognized by the FAA. 
The two examples you gave appear to be examples of that.


The second example *is* shown on FAA's VFR Sectional Chart (that pilots 
use to navigate in visual conditions) as an "unverified" airport 
(circled U) but with no additional info:


https://skyvector.com/?ll=45.524630359,-109.5904083=301=3

As far as I know, FAA's "Airport/Facility Directory" is the official 
list of airports in the United States, and it has a lot of useful 
information. Of course, that doesn't help in this case since these 
airports are not in it.


https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/digital_products/dafd/search/

- Lars


On 3/7/2016 10:53 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
Keep in mind that it's perfectly acceptable to set up a private 
runway/airfield that isn't listed on any FAA or official source. The 
two examples you give are pretty clearly airfields with runways (you 
can see where the runway lights are, they have support buildings, and 
the first link has a turnaround on the far end of the runway to let 
planes taxi back to the hangar).


On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Wolfgang Zenker 
> wrote:


Hello everyone,

I have recently come across a few runways in Montana that I could not
find any information about except the imagery. I tried to search for
these airfields on the FAA website, but without success (maybe I did
it wrong).
Any idea where to find out more?

Two examples would be here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4301/-109.8209=N
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.5226/-109.5370=N

Wolfgang

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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Ian Dees]

Keep in mind that it's perfectly acceptable to set up a private
runway/airfield that isn't listed on any FAA or official source. The two
examples you give are pretty clearly airfields with runways (you can see
where the runway lights are, they have support buildings, and the first
link has a turnaround on the far end of the runway to let planes taxi back
to the hangar).

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Wolfgang Zenker 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have recently come across a few runways in Montana that I could not
> find any information about except the imagery. I tried to search for
> these airfields on the FAA website, but without success (maybe I did
> it wrong).
> Any idea where to find out more?
>
> Two examples would be here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4301/-109.8209=N
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.5226/-109.5370=N
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Elliott Plack]

You can check ouraiports.com. It is a PD source that has been used for an
OSM import in the US:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Cataloguesearch for airport





On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:45 PM Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Montana, like many western state, need help in rural areas. I have been
> wondering about an outreach program with local ag extensions, or Future
> Farmers of America, 4H, Boy Scouts, etc. I attended a small county fair
> last year. The local Future Farmers did a demo of remote subs they using to
> map ocean floors. It was part of a NASA (I think) program to get kids
> interested in science.
>
> Clifford
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Wolfgang Zenker  > wrote:
>
>> * Clifford Snow  [160306 16:14]:
>> > The first example you provided is located in Stillwater County, Montana.
>> > Stillwater has gis data available, but unfortunately for me requires
>> > Microsoft Silverlight browser plugin which I am not able to run. I would
>> > check the county gis database for more information. The website is
>> > http://www.stillwater.mt.gov/GIS/default.asp
>>
>> Silverlight is a no-go for me as well, I don't think it even exists
>> for my operating system.
>>
>> > There is even someone you could contact. I find most county gis
>> departments
>> > usually more than willing to help, especially if you ask nice. Even in
>> > counties without free data, they might be able to provide you with the
>> name
>> > of the runway.
>>
>> I will contact them as soon as I'm done with cleaning up TIGER geometries
>> in the area, because I have a few more questions (e.g. roads that look
>> a lot like residential roads, but with no name given on TIGER).
>> Thanks for the contact!
>>
>> > Have you contacted the user? While it looks like a runway, I'm not
>> certain
>> > that it is. Although, not sure what else it could be.
>>
>> Well, the user would be myself in this case, and I added these things
>> as runways because that is what they look like.
>>
>> > FWIW - I used to live in Montana and am familiar with parts of the
>> state.
>>
>> Great, so there are at least a few people in the project familiar
>> with Montana. I've been there only a few times as a tourist, and I
>> have been working on cleaning up TIGER geometries for Montana
>> basically because (almost) no-one else did. My hope is that we
>> find more mappers if one can start mapping without having to clean
>> up a lot of broken data first.
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Clifford Snow]

Montana, like many western state, need help in rural areas. I have been
wondering about an outreach program with local ag extensions, or Future
Farmers of America, 4H, Boy Scouts, etc. I attended a small county fair
last year. The local Future Farmers did a demo of remote subs they using to
map ocean floors. It was part of a NASA (I think) program to get kids
interested in science.

Clifford

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Wolfgang Zenker 
wrote:

> * Clifford Snow  [160306 16:14]:
> > The first example you provided is located in Stillwater County, Montana.
> > Stillwater has gis data available, but unfortunately for me requires
> > Microsoft Silverlight browser plugin which I am not able to run. I would
> > check the county gis database for more information. The website is
> > http://www.stillwater.mt.gov/GIS/default.asp
>
> Silverlight is a no-go for me as well, I don't think it even exists
> for my operating system.
>
> > There is even someone you could contact. I find most county gis
> departments
> > usually more than willing to help, especially if you ask nice. Even in
> > counties without free data, they might be able to provide you with the
> name
> > of the runway.
>
> I will contact them as soon as I'm done with cleaning up TIGER geometries
> in the area, because I have a few more questions (e.g. roads that look
> a lot like residential roads, but with no name given on TIGER).
> Thanks for the contact!
>
> > Have you contacted the user? While it looks like a runway, I'm not
> certain
> > that it is. Although, not sure what else it could be.
>
> Well, the user would be myself in this case, and I added these things
> as runways because that is what they look like.
>
> > FWIW - I used to live in Montana and am familiar with parts of the state.
>
> Great, so there are at least a few people in the project familiar
> with Montana. I've been there only a few times as a tourist, and I
> have been working on cleaning up TIGER geometries for Montana
> basically because (almost) no-one else did. My hope is that we
> find more mappers if one can start mapping without having to clean
> up a lot of broken data first.
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Wolfgang Zenker]

* Clifford Snow  [160306 16:14]:
> The first example you provided is located in Stillwater County, Montana.
> Stillwater has gis data available, but unfortunately for me requires
> Microsoft Silverlight browser plugin which I am not able to run. I would
> check the county gis database for more information. The website is
> http://www.stillwater.mt.gov/GIS/default.asp

Silverlight is a no-go for me as well, I don't think it even exists
for my operating system.

> There is even someone you could contact. I find most county gis departments
> usually more than willing to help, especially if you ask nice. Even in
> counties without free data, they might be able to provide you with the name
> of the runway.

I will contact them as soon as I'm done with cleaning up TIGER geometries
in the area, because I have a few more questions (e.g. roads that look
a lot like residential roads, but with no name given on TIGER).
Thanks for the contact!

> Have you contacted the user? While it looks like a runway, I'm not certain
> that it is. Although, not sure what else it could be.

Well, the user would be myself in this case, and I added these things
as runways because that is what they look like.

> FWIW - I used to live in Montana and am familiar with parts of the state.

Great, so there are at least a few people in the project familiar
with Montana. I've been there only a few times as a tourist, and I
have been working on cleaning up TIGER geometries for Montana
basically because (almost) no-one else did. My hope is that we
find more mappers if one can start mapping without having to clean
up a lot of broken data first.

Wolfgang

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Re: [Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Clifford Snow]

The first example you provided is located in Stillwater County, Montana.
Stillwater has gis data available, but unfortunately for me requires
Microsoft Silverlight browser plugin which I am not able to run. I would
check the county gis database for more information. The website is
http://www.stillwater.mt.gov/GIS/default.asp

There is even someone you could contact. I find most county gis departments
usually more than willing to help, especially if you ask nice. Even in
counties without free data, they might be able to provide you with the name
of the runway.

Have you contacted the user? While it looks like a runway, I'm not certain
that it is. Although, not sure what else it could be.

FWIW - I used to live in Montana and am familiar with parts of the state.

Clifford

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Wolfgang Zenker 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have recently come across a few runways in Montana that I could not
> find any information about except the imagery. I tried to search for
> these airfields on the FAA website, but without success (maybe I did
> it wrong).
> Any idea where to find out more?
>
> Two examples would be here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4301/-109.8209=N
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.5226/-109.5370=N
>
> Wolfgang
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[Talk-us] Where to find airport information?

[Wolfgang Zenker]

Hello everyone,

I have recently come across a few runways in Montana that I could not
find any information about except the imagery. I tried to search for
these airfields on the FAA website, but without success (maybe I did
it wrong).
Any idea where to find out more?

Two examples would be here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4301/-109.8209=N
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.5226/-109.5370=N

Wolfgang

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