Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[Nathan Mills]

I'm sorry, but the closest thing to toxicity I've seen are the overly vehement 
objections to the mere gathering of data. It might be worth examining why 
someone gathering demographic data is causing such a strong reaction.

I sincerely cannot comprehend why anyone would be against this. I can see 
"meh," I can see how someone might find it interesting or maybe even useful, 
and I can even understand finding it totally useless and asking why someone 
else finds it interesting. I can't find any reasonable objection to the 
voluntary collection of demographic data regarding OSM editors and I especially 
can't find any basis to say that it is in any way divisive or "gender-baiting."

If you don't like it, maybe just ignore it since it doesn't affect you in any 
way except receiving an extra email.

-Nathan

On September 5, 2017 2:32:33 PM EDT, Joel Holdsworth  
wrote:
>On 05/09/17 12:07, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>> If someone named Allessanbdro were in charge, a study,
>> such as Zoe's, never would happen, Clearly, from the reactions
>> on the email lists, a gender topic is very threatening to a number
>> of members.
>
>That's a quite a toxic statement.
>
>It's hard to think of a project more egalitarian than OSM. Which is why
>
>people object to the gender-baiting. It's not because they feel 
>threatened, it's because it's so divisive.
>
>Joel
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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[Joel Holdsworth]

On 05/09/17 12:07, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

If someone named Allessanbdro were in charge, a study,
such as Zoe's, never would happen, Clearly, from the reactions
on the email lists, a gender topic is very threatening to a number
of members.


That's a quite a toxic statement.

It's hard to think of a project more egalitarian than OSM. Which is why 
people object to the gender-baiting. It's not because they feel 
threatened, it's because it's so divisive.


Joel

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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[Charlotte Wolter]

John,

Actually, I would have to disagree with you on that point.
Having worked in survey research, I know that each survey is
carefully constructed as to length and order of questions. A kind
kind of grouped survey, as you described, would give an experience
to respondents that would be different from the one the researcher
wanted.
I just would like to see something that told me that the
supposed research really is, for example, from Zoe at Nottingham.
Using her university email would have been advisable. At least there
would have been a good chance that it was legit.
And, maybe, requiring an institutional email is the best and
simplest way to go. That way it likely is real academic research.
Otherwise, anyone could post a survey, even someone who did not
wish OSM well, and who wished to use the "honest" opinions for
negative purposes.
Anyway, that's my take on it.

Charlotte


At 01:20 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:



At Statistics Canada they have a concept of 
respondent burden. Basically it means you try to 
limit the number of questions you ask people 
whilst still trying to get the answers in. Is 
this information available from another survey?
May I suggest a more formal arrangement where a 
survey is organised say every three / six months 
and researchers submit their questions to be 
included in the survey? This is done for a 
number of surveys at Statistics Canada and is a 
useful way to include one or two additional / 
supplementary questions to a survey.
The advantage to the people running the studies 
is hopefully a wider set of respondents making 
their surveys more statistically valid.  The 
advantage to the mappers are fewer messages in 
the mailing lists and fewer surveys asking to be completed.
At the very least I'm sure Zoe and Laura could 
see if the data from their surveys could feed the other.
There are other things that could be done such 
as random sampling then following up with the 
randomly selected sample this reduces self selection.

Thoughts?

Thanks John
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