Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Mike Thompson]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>
Looks like they fixed it!   Thanks for everyone's help.

Mike
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Joseph R. Justice]

(Well, since everybody else is top posting...)

Since it was my bright idea to contact the webmaster, and since everyone
else posting seems to claim that no such link exists, I thought I'd go
ahead and look and see if I could find something others had missed.

Well, no, I can't find a "Contact the Webmaster" link, or even a "Contact
Us" *e-mail* link, either.  (The link
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters gives a paper mail address
and phone number, but no e-mail address.)

I did however find an "Accessibility" page,
https://www.fbi.gov/accessibility , which says:

"If you have any other questions or problems about the FBI.gov site, you
may contact the FBI.gov content manager in writing or via telephone at:

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Attention: FBI Internet Content Manager
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Room 7790-C
Washington, DC 20535-0001
(202) 324-3000

You can also send an e-mail to fbi_accessibil...@ic.fbi.gov."

That might be of some use, even tho this isn't specifically an
accessibility issue.  If nothing else, hopefully they would know how to
forward a legal / copyright issue on to whomever within the web team there
is supposed to deal with such.

If someone does contact them about this issue, perhaps a suggestion that
there should be a "Contact the Webmaster" link or web form or something
should be made, too?

Hope this is of some use, interest.  Thanks for your time.  Be well.



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> I'm going to check with some USG tech friends to see if they know anyone
> on the FBI web team. I think it may prove more expedient and get better
> attention than calling or emailing parts of the bureau which have little to
> do with this.
>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 <(415)%20283-5207> @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
> On Friday, June 30, 2017 5:28 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
>
> My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show
> correct attribution to OSM
>
> So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to
> suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field
> office (via a dead link for me).
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1
> just lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
>
> It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
> disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
> for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
> though.
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
> wrote:
>
> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
> be able to help with this issue:
>
>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
>/fbi-headquarters .
>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancis co/community-outreach-1
>
> .
>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resou rces/businesses
>, they have a link for
>"Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at https://www.fbi.gov/investi
>gate/white-collar-crime/piracy -ip-theft
>.
>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
> else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 

Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Mikel Maron]

I'm going to check with some USG tech friends to see if they know anyone on the 
FBI web team. I think it may prove more expedient and get better attention than 
calling or emailing parts of the bureau which have little to do with this.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Friday, June 30, 2017 5:28 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
 

 My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show correct 
attribution to OSM

So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to 
suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field office 
(via a dead link for me).
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1 just 
lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact 
Dale Puch
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere  
wrote:

It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is 
disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
~~Denis Carriere
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:

A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are providing the 
actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so for lots of other 
sites.
Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page 
though.

Dale Puch
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley  wrote:

It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the 
national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit 
Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have in the 
early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical feedback 
links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might be able to help 
with this issue:   
   - Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from 
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us /fbi-headquarters.
   - Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various field 
offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field office's page). 
E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from 
https://www.fbi.gov/conta ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancis 
co/community-outreach-1. Some other field offices also have outreach email 
addresses.
   - On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resou rces/businesses, they 
have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at 
https://www.fbi.gov/investi gate/white-collar-crime/piracy -ip-theft. While 
this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues they tend to 
spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this way, since it's 
their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found went to other 
offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone else 
does follow up, please let us all know what happens.

David
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice  wrote:

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us /field-offices/denver

See map in upper right part of page

Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide field 
office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include a 
"Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?  Those 
would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...


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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Dale Puch]

My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show
correct attribution to OSM

So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to
suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field
office (via a dead link for me).
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1
just lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact

Dale Puch

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere 
wrote:

> It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
> disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
>> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
>> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
>> for lots of other sites.
>> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page
>> page though.
>>
>> Dale Puch
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
>>> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
>>> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>>>
>>> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
>>> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
>>> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who
>>> might be able to help with this issue:
>>>
>>>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>>>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>>>.
>>>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>>>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>>>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>>>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>>>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>>>
>>> .
>>>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>>>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>>>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>>>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>>>.
>>>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>>>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help 
>>> this
>>>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I 
>>> found
>>>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>>>
>>> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
>>> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice >> > wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
 wrote:

 https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>

 Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the
 nation-wide field office locator referred to in a separate post in this
 thread, include a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a
 "Contact Us" link?  Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd
 think...



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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Denis Carriere]

It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:

> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
> for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
> though.
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
>> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
>> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>>
>> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
>> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
>> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
>> be able to help with this issue:
>>
>>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>>.
>>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>>
>> .
>>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>>.
>>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help 
>> this
>>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>>
>> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
>> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver

 See map in upper right part of page

>>>
>>> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
>>> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
>>> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
>>> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Rihards]

On 2017.06.30. 22:37, Dale Puch wrote:
> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do
> so for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page
> page though.

leaflet is a library anybody can use - i assume they won't be happy
about people bothering them same as apache httpd project wouldn't be.

> Dale Puch
> 
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley  > wrote:
> 
> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of
> the national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They
> all credit Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without
> crediting OSM.
> 
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to
> have in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find
> any technical feedback links at all on fbi.gov .
> Ideas for contacting someone who might be able to help with this issue:
> 
>   * Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000
>  from
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
> .
>   * Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at
> various field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of
> each field office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office,
> it's outreach...@ic.fbi.gov 
> from 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
> 
> .
> Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>   * On their "Businesses"
> page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses
> , they have a link for
> "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy"
> at https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
> .
> While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP
> theft issues they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to
> get someone's help this way, since it's their own website.
> (Although the reporting methods I found went to other offices,
> not obviously directly to the FBI.)
> 
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
> 
> David
> 
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice
> > wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson
> > wrote:
> 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
> 
> 
> See map in upper right part of page
> 
> 
> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the
> nation-wide field office locator referred to in a separate post
> in this thread, include a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link? 
> Or even just a "Contact Us" link?  Those would be a first
> obvious point of contact, I'd think...
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Dale Puch]

A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are providing
the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so for lots
of other sites.
Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
though.

Dale Puch

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
wrote:

> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
> be able to help with this issue:
>
>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>.
>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/
>contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>
> .
>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>.
>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
> else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>>>
>>> See map in upper right part of page
>>>
>>
>> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
>> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
>> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
>> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[David Kewley]

It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.

It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have in
the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might be
able to help with this issue:

   - Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
   https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters.
   - Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
   field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
   office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
   outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from
   
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1.
   Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
   - On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
   they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
   https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft.
   While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
   they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
   way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
   went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)

I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.

David

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>>
>> See map in upper right part of page
>>
>
> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>
>
>
> Joseph
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Joseph R. Justice]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>

Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...



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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Toby Murray]

I would usually advocate getting law enforcement involved in an OSM
licensing misstep... but someone should call the FBI!

It's not just the Denver field office. The map on the nation-wide
field office locator page also lacks attribution:
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

I just send out a tweet. Not sure if their social media person will
know who to pass it on to. Will report if I get singled out for
enhanced screening on my next flight :)

https://twitter.com/KSUToeBee/status/880523984378277888

Toby


On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>
> Mike
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