Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Elliott Plack]

Mike, did you change anything since?

Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I don't think either of us
edited anything. I'm on mobile now, will need to check the versions when I
get back to a desk.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a message.
> > The user has not responded to either.
>
> Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block message,
> I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.
>
> There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
> by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:
>
> relation 1572798 to version 44
> relation 1793885 to version 9
>
> way 16678913 to version 14
> way 16667804 to version 2
> way 336294939 to version 9
> way 239149691 to version 3
> way 16710628 to version 3
> way 357518688 to version 1
> way 16667977 to version 5
> way 16667803 to version 2
> way 277183033 to version 1
> way 237042447 to version 1
> way 16667806 to version 2
> way 16720899 to version 8
>
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 172413352 to version 5
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 1631252463 to version 1
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 172413352 to version 5
>
> I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
> but that would lose information potentially added by someone
> post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
> the best course of action.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Elliott Plack]

Also I wrote one change set comment but there was no response. I figured I
should escalate things once I saw entire relations destroyed and whole
blocks changed.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:55 Elliott Plack  wrote:

> Mike, did you change anything since?
>
> Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I don't think either of us
> edited anything. I'm on mobile now, will need to check the versions when I
> get back to a desk.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
>> > I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a message.
>> > The user has not responded to either.
>>
>> Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block message,
>> I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.
>>
>> There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
>> by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:
>>
>> relation 1572798 to version 44
>> relation 1793885 to version 9
>>
>> way 16678913 to version 14
>> way 16667804 to version 2
>> way 336294939 to version 9
>> way 239149691 to version 3
>> way 16710628 to version 3
>> way 357518688 to version 1
>> way 16667977 to version 5
>> way 16667803 to version 2
>> way 277183033 to version 1
>> way 237042447 to version 1
>> way 16667806 to version 2
>> way 16720899 to version 8
>>
>> node 172413345 to version 4
>> node 251856525 to version 2
>> node 251856526 to version 2
>> node 251856527 to version 2
>> node 172413348 to version 6
>> node 172413352 to version 5
>> node 172413355 to version 5
>> node 172413357 to version 5
>> node 251856534 to version 1
>> node 172413345 to version 4
>> node 251856534 to version 1
>> node 172413355 to version 5
>> node 172413348 to version 6
>> node 251856526 to version 2
>> node 251856525 to version 2
>> node 1631252463 to version 1
>> node 251856527 to version 2
>> node 172413357 to version 5
>> node 172413352 to version 5
>>
>> I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
>> but that would lose information potentially added by someone
>> post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
>> the best course of action.
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Luis Villa]

Agreed that clearly these edits need to be reverted and the account
probably blocked, but just curious: is there no alternate service (akin to
the historical maps project) for this person to play in?

Luis

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:13 PM Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> It looks like the user is at it again with the old account, has two edits
> 2 hours ago!
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Homicide%20Baltimore/history#map=15/39.2903/-76.5970
>
> Here they just undid one of the reverted EDITS again:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966044
>
> Here they just undid another one of the reverts, deleting Johns Hopkins
> Hospital and a bunch of the road infrastructure was altered.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966182
>
> The last one I had already manually changed back, as it was one POI edit,
> again the fake police station from the NBC show with the users name.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29141714
>
> Block and revert?
>
> Elliott
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM Mike Pruett  wrote:
>
>> I see that most everything looks to be reverted. I noticed though there
>> is a second account 'Baltimore Homicide' with a space. This account is
>> older but with only 3 edits.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Mike Pruett  wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't change anything since HomicideBaltimore, only looked at the
>>> damage.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Elliott Plack 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mike, did you change anything since?

 Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I don't think either of
 us edited anything. I'm on mobile now, will need to check the versions when
 I get back to a desk.

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a
> message.
> > The user has not responded to either.
>
> Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block
> message,
> I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.
>
> There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
> by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:
>
> relation 1572798 to version 44
> relation 1793885 to version 9
>
> way 16678913 to version 14
> way 16667804 to version 2
> way 336294939 to version 9
> way 239149691 to version 3
> way 16710628 to version 3
> way 357518688 to version 1
> way 16667977 to version 5
> way 16667803 to version 2
> way 277183033 to version 1
> way 237042447 to version 1
> way 16667806 to version 2
> way 16720899 to version 8
>
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 172413352 to version 5
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 1631252463 to version 1
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 172413352 to version 5
>
> I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
> but that would lose information potentially added by someone
> post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
> the best course of action.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/11/2015 11:14 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
> Agreed that clearly these edits need to be reverted and the account
> probably blocked, but just curious: is there no alternate service (akin
> to the historical maps project) for this person to play in?

There's opengeofiction.net which uses OSM software to drive it, but
allows you to create your own fictional (part of) the map. Of course
basic communication skills are a plus even there. And they don't have
aerial imagery (unless they've turned their fiction level to eleven
since I last looked).

Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Elliott Plack]

It looks like the user is at it again with the old account, has two edits 2
hours ago!

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Homicide%20Baltimore/history#map=15/39.2903/-76.5970

Here they just undid one of the reverted EDITS again:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966044

Here they just undid another one of the reverts, deleting Johns Hopkins
Hospital and a bunch of the road infrastructure was altered.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966182

The last one I had already manually changed back, as it was one POI edit,
again the fake police station from the NBC show with the users name.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29141714

Block and revert?

Elliott



On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM Mike Pruett  wrote:

> I see that most everything looks to be reverted. I noticed though there is
> a second account 'Baltimore Homicide' with a space. This account is older
> but with only 3 edits.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Mike Pruett  wrote:
>
>> I didn't change anything since HomicideBaltimore, only looked at the
>> damage.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Elliott Plack 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, did you change anything since?
>>>
>>> Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I don't think either of
>>> us edited anything. I'm on mobile now, will need to check the versions when
>>> I get back to a desk.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
 > I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a
 message.
 > The user has not responded to either.

 Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block message,
 I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.

 There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
 by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:

 relation 1572798 to version 44
 relation 1793885 to version 9

 way 16678913 to version 14
 way 16667804 to version 2
 way 336294939 to version 9
 way 239149691 to version 3
 way 16710628 to version 3
 way 357518688 to version 1
 way 16667977 to version 5
 way 16667803 to version 2
 way 277183033 to version 1
 way 237042447 to version 1
 way 16667806 to version 2
 way 16720899 to version 8

 node 172413345 to version 4
 node 251856525 to version 2
 node 251856526 to version 2
 node 251856527 to version 2
 node 172413348 to version 6
 node 172413352 to version 5
 node 172413355 to version 5
 node 172413357 to version 5
 node 251856534 to version 1
 node 172413345 to version 4
 node 251856534 to version 1
 node 172413355 to version 5
 node 172413348 to version 6
 node 251856526 to version 2
 node 251856525 to version 2
 node 1631252463 to version 1
 node 251856527 to version 2
 node 172413357 to version 5
 node 172413352 to version 5

 I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
 but that would lose information potentially added by someone
 post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
 the best course of action.

 Bye
 Frederik

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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Richard Welty]

if he's ignoring clear requests to stop, would any other project want him?

i see value in historic buildings but a bunch of the other stuff he's done
makes him seem unattractive for any other project.

On 9/11/15 5:14 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
> Agreed that clearly these edits need to be reverted and the account
> probably blocked, but just curious: is there no alternate service
> (akin to the historical maps project) for this person to play in?
>
> Luis
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:13 PM Elliott Plack  > wrote:
>
> It looks like the user is at it again with the old account, has
> two edits 2 hours ago!
>
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Homicide%20Baltimore/history#map=15/39.2903/-76.5970
>
> Here they just undid one of the reverted EDITS
> again: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966044
>
> Here they just undid another one of the reverts, deleting Johns
> Hopkins Hospital and a bunch of the road infrastructure was
> altered. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966182 
>
> The last one I had already manually changed back, as it was one
> POI edit, again the fake police station from the NBC show with the
> users name. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29141714
>
> Block and revert?
>
> Elliott
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM Mike Pruett  > wrote:
>
> I see that most everything looks to be reverted. I noticed
> though there is a second account 'Baltimore Homicide' with a
> space. This account is older but with only 3 edits. 
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Mike Pruett
> > wrote:
>
> I didn't change anything since HomicideBaltimore, only
> looked at the damage. 
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Elliott Plack
>  wrote:
>
> Mike, did you change anything since?
>
> Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I
> don't think either of us edited anything. I'm on
> mobile now, will need to check the versions when I get
> back to a desk.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm
>  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > I've added at least one changeset comment and
> have also sent a message.
> > The user has not responded to either.
>
> Given that the user has obviously read and ignored
> Paul's block message,
> I have had to put in a new block, and have
> reverted all his edits in
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.
>
> There were a few objects touched by
> HomicideBaltimore and later edited
> by someone else so that they could not be reverted
> cleanly:
>
> relation 1572798 to version 44
> relation 1793885 to version 9
>
> way 16678913 to version 14
> way 16667804 to version 2
> way 336294939 to version 9
> way 239149691 to version 3
> way 16710628 to version 3
> way 357518688 to version 1
> way 16667977 to version 5
> way 16667803 to version 2
> way 277183033 to version 1
> way 237042447 to version 1
> way 16667806 to version 2
> way 16720899 to version 8
>
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 172413352 to version 5
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 1631252463 to version 1
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 172413352 to version 5
>
> I *can* force these objects back to their
> 

Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Elliott Plack]

Here is more evidence. Sigh...


[image: 2015-09-11 17_12_59-OpenStreetMap _ Node History_ 2961990839.png]
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 5:11 PM Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> It looks like the user is at it again with the old account, has two edits
> 2 hours ago!
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Homicide%20Baltimore/history#map=15/39.2903/-76.5970
>
> Here they just undid one of the reverted EDITS again:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966044
>
> Here they just undid another one of the reverts, deleting Johns Hopkins
> Hospital and a bunch of the road infrastructure was altered.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33966182
>
> The last one I had already manually changed back, as it was one POI edit,
> again the fake police station from the NBC show with the users name.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29141714
>
> Block and revert?
>
> Elliott
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM Mike Pruett  wrote:
>
>> I see that most everything looks to be reverted. I noticed though there
>> is a second account 'Baltimore Homicide' with a space. This account is
>> older but with only 3 edits.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Mike Pruett  wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't change anything since HomicideBaltimore, only looked at the
>>> damage.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Elliott Plack 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mike, did you change anything since?

 Mike and I were chatting offline about this but I don't think either of
 us edited anything. I'm on mobile now, will need to check the versions when
 I get back to a desk.

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:48 Frederik Ramm 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a
> message.
> > The user has not responded to either.
>
> Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block
> message,
> I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.
>
> There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
> by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:
>
> relation 1572798 to version 44
> relation 1793885 to version 9
>
> way 16678913 to version 14
> way 16667804 to version 2
> way 336294939 to version 9
> way 239149691 to version 3
> way 16710628 to version 3
> way 357518688 to version 1
> way 16667977 to version 5
> way 16667803 to version 2
> way 277183033 to version 1
> way 237042447 to version 1
> way 16667806 to version 2
> way 16720899 to version 8
>
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 172413352 to version 5
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413345 to version 4
> node 251856534 to version 1
> node 172413355 to version 5
> node 172413348 to version 6
> node 251856526 to version 2
> node 251856525 to version 2
> node 1631252463 to version 1
> node 251856527 to version 2
> node 172413357 to version 5
> node 172413352 to version 5
>
> I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
> but that would lose information potentially added by someone
> post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
> the best course of action.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Richard Welty]

On 9/10/15 6:34 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
> This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping all
> kinds of buildings around Baltimore that don't exist. They're old
> public housing projects or rowhomes that were razed, but seem to have
> been used on the set of the NBC show Homicide, Life on the Streets,
> shot in Baltimore.
>
> What should I do?
>
try contacting him through the OSM messaging system and ask him what his
intent is.
explain (politely) that OSM is for things that exist now, and there are
alternate ways of
handling historical data (e.g. OHM).

the DWG exists as a last resort, but it is very much a last resort and
they'll want to know
that other means have been exhausted first.

richard

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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[James Mast]

Not all 200 changesets are in Baltimore.  He's done the same thing in 
Charlotte, NC.  He's deleted interchanges (sometimes making them at-grade), 
completely deleted the northern segments of I-485, and other damaging stuff.

All his changesets need to be reverted ASAP!!

-James

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Subject: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data
all over Baltimore

This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping all kinds of 
buildings around Baltimore that don't exist. They're old public housing 
projects or rowhomes that were razed, but seem to have been used on the set of 
the NBC show Homicide, Life on the Streets, shot in Baltimore.
What should I do?
This user is introducing all kinds of invalid data, and fair thoroughly mapped 
stuff too. All in iD, which is odd. The current Bing imagery shows none of 
this. I am shocked that someone would spend this much time on such a thing.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3726365602 - Police station in the show, not 
a real police station.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33940333 this block was razed years ago, 
and has been replaced by a new building.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33889607 This area has been cleared and 
replaced by some new buildings.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HomicideBaltimore/history#map=15/39.3011/-76.5900

There are nearly 200 changsets around Baltimore like this! I have spent 
considerable time mapping in this area, adding the brownfields and such. Not to 
mention the Baltimore Import, much of which is being trashed by this user.
What can be done? I commented on one changeset, but I don't have any experience 
reverting things.
Elliott

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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Paul Norman]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/804 placed to force the user to 
read it before they can continue to edit.


If needed, I can merge all the users changes and revert them in one go.

On 9/10/2015 3:34 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping all 
kinds of buildings around Baltimore that don't exist. They're old 
public housing projects or rowhomes that were razed, but seem to have 
been used on the set of the NBC show Homicide, Life on the Streets, 
shot in Baltimore.


What should I do?

This user is introducing all kinds of invalid data, and fair 
thoroughly mapped stuff too. All in iD, which is odd. The current Bing 
imagery shows none of this. I am shocked that someone would spend this 
much time on such a thing.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3726365602 - Police station in the 
show, not a real police station.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33940333 this block was razed 
years ago, and has been replaced by a new building.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33889607 This area has been 
cleared and replaced by some new buildings.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HomicideBaltimore/history#map=15/39.3011/-76.5900

There are nearly 200 changsets around Baltimore like this! I have 
spent considerable time mapping in this area, adding the brownfields 
and such. Not to mention the Baltimore Import, much of which is being 
trashed by this user.


What can be done? I commented on one changeset, but I don't have any 
experience reverting things.


Elliott



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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Hans De Kryger]

Is all 200 changesets the same? If so i"d report it to the data working
group. Here's there email - d...@osmfoundation.org

The only reason i suggest this instead of handing out yourself it's due to
the large amount of changesets.
On Sep 10, 2015 6:10 PM, "Elliott Plack"  wrote:

> This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping all
> kinds of buildings around Baltimore that don't exist. They're old public
> housing projects or rowhomes that were razed, but seem to have been used on
> the set of the NBC show Homicide, Life on the Streets, shot in Baltimore.
>
> What should I do?
>
> This user is introducing all kinds of invalid data, and fair thoroughly
> mapped stuff too. All in iD, which is odd. The current Bing imagery shows
> none of this. I am shocked that someone would spend this much time on such
> a thing.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3726365602 - Police station in the
> show, not a real police station.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33940333 this block was razed
> years ago, and has been replaced by a new building.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33889607 This area has been
> cleared and replaced by some new buildings.
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HomicideBaltimore/history#map=15/39.3011/-76.5900
>
> There are nearly 200 changsets around Baltimore like this! I have spent
> considerable time mapping in this area, adding the brownfields and such.
> Not to mention the Baltimore Import, much of which is being trashed by this
> user.
>
> What can be done? I commented on one changeset, but I don't have any
> experience reverting things.
>
> Elliott
>
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Andy Townsend]

On 11/09/2015 05:42, Richard Welty wrote:

try contacting him through the OSM messaging system and ask him what his
intent is.
explain (politely) that OSM is for things that exist now, and there are
alternate ways of
handling historical data (e.g. OHM).



Generally I'd suggest using changeset discussion comments in the first 
instance - they are public, and it allows more people to take part in 
the discussion at once.


Cheers,

Andy

(a couple of discussion comments have been added already I believe)


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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 11/09/2015 05:42, Richard Welty wrote:
>
>> try contacting him through the OSM messaging system and ask him what his
>> intent is.
>> explain (politely) that OSM is for things that exist now, and there are
>> alternate ways of
>> handling historical data (e.g. OHM).
>>
>>
> Generally I'd suggest using changeset discussion comments in the first
> instance - they are public, and it allows more people to take part in the
> discussion at once.
>

I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a message. The
user has not responded to either.
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/11/2015 05:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> I've added at least one changeset comment and have also sent a message.
> The user has not responded to either. 

Given that the user has obviously read and ignored Paul's block message,
I have had to put in a new block, and have reverted all his edits in
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33960782.

There were a few objects touched by HomicideBaltimore and later edited
by someone else so that they could not be reverted cleanly:

relation 1572798 to version 44
relation 1793885 to version 9

way 16678913 to version 14
way 16667804 to version 2
way 336294939 to version 9
way 239149691 to version 3
way 16710628 to version 3
way 357518688 to version 1
way 16667977 to version 5
way 16667803 to version 2
way 277183033 to version 1
way 237042447 to version 1
way 16667806 to version 2
way 16720899 to version 8

node 172413345 to version 4
node 251856525 to version 2
node 251856526 to version 2
node 251856527 to version 2
node 172413348 to version 6
node 172413352 to version 5
node 172413355 to version 5
node 172413357 to version 5
node 251856534 to version 1
node 172413345 to version 4
node 251856534 to version 1
node 172413355 to version 5
node 172413348 to version 6
node 251856526 to version 2
node 251856525 to version 2
node 1631252463 to version 1
node 251856527 to version 2
node 172413357 to version 5
node 172413352 to version 5

I *can* force these objects back to their pre-HomicideBaltimore state
but that would lose information potentially added by someone
post-HomicideBaltimore. Perhaps someone could have a look and suggest
the best course of action.

Bye
Frederik

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