Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

FYI I am in cooperstown speaking at a thing next month, getting there via 
Albany.


On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 4/28/10 1:59 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
>> Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
>> for local US OSM meetings?
>> 
>> http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
>> http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
>> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
>> 
> i'm planning on doing something in the Albany, NY area once i see a few
> more active mappers in the area.
> 
> richard
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

We've run a few ad hoc events in Denver off facebook because it's free.


On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
> for local US OSM meetings?
> 
> http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
> http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
> 
> Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add
> "OpenStreetMap" as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area
> OSM waiting list will be able to find them.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

there's also the OSM calendar on the wiki, which has an RSS feed.


On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Ian Dees wrote:

> Keep in mind that we have openstreetmap.us and a couple servers sitting 
> around waiting for a use. Perhaps we could set up a similar thing for the 
> US-based meetups and events? Or maybe we just need a shared Google Calendar...
> 
> upcoming and meetup both already have communities around them, though...
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:
> Who is paying for these meetup.com groups?
> I met with someone at Where 2.0 from meetup.com  mentioned that OSM uses the 
> site for some meetups, but it's hard because they charge $12/mo.  There may 
> be a way to get these groups "sponsored" by meetup.com, so that OSM mappers 
> aren't footing the bill for the groups.  There's also Yahoo!'s upcoming.com 
> which is just free in general.
> 
> --
> Jim McAndrew
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Christopher Covington  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:59 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
> > Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
> > for local US OSM meetings?
> >
> > http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
> > http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
> > http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
> >
> > Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add
> > "OpenStreetMap" as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area
> > OSM waiting list will be able to find them.
> 
> While it's generally handy to have listings on multiple websites, what's
> the special importance of having OpenStreetMap groups listed on this
> particular paid service?
> 
> -Chris C.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Thea Clay]

Hi,
Here are some more OSM related sites I'm connected with. CloudMade repays me 
for the meetup.com fees.
Austin, TX: http://www.meetup.com/Austin-OpenStreetMappers/ and 
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358884127712
Dallas, TX: http://www.meetup.com/Dallas-OpenStreetMappers/
San Antonio, TX: http://www.meetup.com/San-Antonio-OpenStreetMappers/
Alabama: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=220585289228
Georgia: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=135720612308

I agree that the cost of Meetup.com is a burden to organizers. The reason I 
have continued to use it is because frankly its hard to organize events and 
provide a palatable social networking platform for group members to easily stay 
in touch between events/work on long term projects using only the wiki and 
talk-us.

Some of the Meetup groups I organize have switched over to Facebook because a 
majority of the mappers are already using the service, its super easy to do and 
free. I personally really like the concept of the MappingDC page 
(www.mappingdc.org) but I think in general setting up and running a standalone 
site for each local group is both a burden to organizers and not scalable.

My base level concern with all of these sites is that they are not really 
connected with OSM proper or each other.  Having local OSM groups on so many 
sites is fine in theory and I don't want to micromanage by advocating people 
must use X site. I think communities should be free to self-organize any 
way they want. But logistically it becomes very hard to get groups talking with 
each other or the larger OSM community when they are scattered.  Communication 
between groups early on is important because often new/potenial organizers are 
unaware of all the resources and experience found in the existing community. I 
get the sense that groups are forming on these outside sites mainly out of 
necessity rather than inherent preference of one over the other. As interest in 
organizing city level groups for more coordinated mapping grows I think OSM-US 
could possibly provide this essential service to community members in a free 
and OSM-centric environment.

Personally I agree with Ian's idea. I would love to see an OSM-US site like the 
one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) that would have city level pages 
similar to MappingDC. If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian 
and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us ( 
http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That way 
we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging centralized 
place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other mappers in 
their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the local community 
themselves.

I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the site. Is 
anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?

Best,
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:

> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the
> domain openstreetmap.us (
> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That
> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging
> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other
> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the
> local community themselves.
>
> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the site.
> Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
>
>
Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
willing to work on the design/content side.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Richard Weait]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:
>>
>> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the
>> domain openstreetmap.us (
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That
>> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging
>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other
>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the
>> local community themselves.
>>
>> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the
>> site. Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
>>
>
> Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
> sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
> fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
> willing to work on the design/content side.

Any objection to Canadian use, or must every community reinvent this wheel?

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Richard Welty]

On 4/30/10 12:50 PM, Thea Clay wrote:


Personally I agree with Ian's idea. I would love to see an OSM-US site 
like the one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) that would 
have city level pages similar to MappingDC. If I remember correctly we 
have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us 
( 
http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). 
That way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an 
engaging centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, 
connect with other mappers in their area or, if there are no other 
mappers nearby, start the local community themselves.
openstreetmap.us is currently pointed at the donated servers, which Ian 
has set up,
but there is no main web page configured right this minute. apache is 
there, it works,

but the only web page there is a default "it works" page.

i think it's up to us (the board of OSM US) to jump start such usage.

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:
> >>
> >> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has
> the
> >> domain openstreetmap.us (
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html).
> That
> >> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging
> >> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with
> other
> >> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start
> the
> >> local community themselves.
> >>
> >> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the
> >> site. Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
> >>
> >
> > Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
> > sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
> > fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
> > willing to work on the design/content side.
>
> Any objection to Canadian use, or must every community reinvent this wheel?
>

If you don't mind sitting on the openstreetmap.us domain :-)

I hope that if we were to come up with something to drive the community it
would be useful-to and used-by other groups (including Canada).
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Thea Clay]

Agreed. I don't see why Canadians can't get involved/use the site too. The more 
the merrier :)
Best,
Thea
On 4/30/10 12:01 PM, "Richard Weait"  wrote:

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:
>>
>> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the
>> domain openstreetmap.us (
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That
>> way we can serve the needs of current members b I don't see why Canada can't 
>> get involved too. The more the merrier :) ut also have an engaging
>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other
>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the
>> local community themselves.
>>
>> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the
>> site. Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
>>
>
> Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
> sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
> fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
> willing to work on the design/content side.

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Richard Weait]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, SteveC  wrote:
> FYI I am in cooperstown speaking at a thing next month, getting there via 
> Albany.

I'm giving an Intro to OSM talk at FOSScon.org in Rochester NY, on
June 19.  So if that isn't to far astray Richard might add both of our
talks to the Albany meetup.

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 4/30/10 12:50 PM, Thea Clay wrote:
>> 
>> Personally I agree with Ian’s idea. I would love to see an OSM-US site like 
>> the one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) that would have city 
>> level pages similar to MappingDC. If I remember correctly we have donated 
>> servers re Ian and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us ( 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That 
>> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging 
>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other 
>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the 
>> local community themselves.
> openstreetmap.us is currently pointed at the donated servers, which Ian has 
> set up,
> but there is no main web page configured right this minute. apache is there, 
> it works,
> but the only web page there is a default "it works" page.
> 
> i think it's up to us (the board of OSM US) to jump start such usage.

I disagree, the board should get out of the way and let anyone who wants to 
help JFDI. That's what we do at OSMF, or at least try to do.

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the
>>> domain openstreetmap.us (
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That
>>> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging
>>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other
>>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the
>>> local community themselves.
>>> 
>>> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the
>>> site. Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
>>> 
>> 
>> Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
>> sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
>> fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
>> willing to work on the design/content side.
> 
> Any objection to Canadian use, or must every community reinvent this wheel?

with the .us suffix put off people in CA though Richard?

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Kate Chapman]

Agreed, I see the reason for incorporating as a means to help people  
do some specific things.  It is not a means to do all things.  If  
anyone else wants to grow the community, make sweet new tools, etc  
please do! I'd hope you weren't waiting around for approval or  
anything like that.

If there is something that you want to do that having a formal  
organization can help with let us know.

Kate

On Apr 30, 2010, at 4:51 PM, SteveC  wrote:

>
> On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/10 12:50 PM, Thea Clay wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally I agree with Ian’s idea. I would love to see an OSM-U 
>>> S site like the one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) t 
>>> hat would have city level pages similar to MappingDC. If I remem 
>>> ber correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the  
>>> domain openstreetmap.us ( 
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html 
>>> ). That way we can serve the needs of current members but also h 
>>> ave an engaging centralized place were newbies can go to find re 
>>> sources, connect with other mappers in their area or, if there a 
>>> re no other mappers nearby, start the local community themselves.
>> openstreetmap.us is currently pointed at the donated servers, which  
>> Ian has set up,
>> but there is no main web page configured right this minute. apache  
>> is there, it works,
>> but the only web page there is a default "it works" page.
>>
>> i think it's up to us (the board of OSM US) to jump start such usage.
>
> I disagree, the board should get out of the way and let anyone who  
> wants to help JFDI. That's what we do at OSMF, or at least try to do.
>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Agreed, I see the reason for incorporating as a means to help people
> do some specific things.  It is not a means to do all things.  If
> anyone else wants to grow the community, make sweet new tools, etc
> please do! I'd hope you weren't waiting around for approval or
> anything like that.
>
> If there is something that you want to do that having a formal
> organization can help with let us know.


Ok, does anyone have a preference on the way we present the
openstreetmap.uspage? The engineer in me says to install a wiki, but
the community organizer
in me (probably about the size of the tip of my thumbnail) says it should be
something a little more immediately accessible for someone brand new to OSM
and participating in this sort of project.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Richard Welty]

On 4/30/10 5:04 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Kate Chapman > wrote:


Agreed, I see the reason for incorporating as a means to help people
do some specific things.  It is not a means to do all things.  If
anyone else wants to grow the community, make sweet new tools, etc
please do! I'd hope you weren't waiting around for approval or
anything like that.

If there is something that you want to do that having a formal
organization can help with let us know.


Ok, does anyone have a preference on the way we present the 
openstreetmap.us  page? The engineer in me 
says to install a wiki, but the community organizer in me (probably 
about the size of the tip of my thumbnail) says it should be something 
a little more immediately accessible for someone brand new to OSM and 
participating in this sort of project.

i'd suggest setting up wiki.openstreetmap.us for the wiki side, and
have www.openstreetmap.us be a set of pages that don't need to change
frequently that point into the wiki.

richard

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[Jim McAndrew]

It definitely needs a community interface.
And it needs resources to make it extremely simple for someone to set up
their own mapping parties.

I'm sure I missed some discussions on this, but is there a reason to have
a separate wiki than the osm.org wiki?
wiki.osm.org already has a community, already had log ins, and already has
blogs.

What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?

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On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I see the reason for incorporating as a means to help people
>> do some specific things.  It is not a means to do all things.  If
>> anyone else wants to grow the community, make sweet new tools, etc
>> please do! I'd hope you weren't waiting around for approval or
>> anything like that.
>>
>> If there is something that you want to do that having a formal
>> organization can help with let us know.
>
>
> Ok, does anyone have a preference on the way we present the
> openstreetmap.us page? The engineer in me says to install a wiki, but the
> community organizer in me (probably about the size of the tip of my
> thumbnail) says it should be something a little more immediately accessible
> for someone brand new to OSM and participating in this sort of project.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Richard Weait]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:
> It definitely needs a community interface.
> And it needs resources to make it extremely simple for someone to set up
> their own mapping parties.
>
> I'm sure I missed some discussions on this, but is there a reason to have
> a separate wiki than the osm.org wiki?
> wiki.osm.org already has a community, already had log ins, and already has
> blogs.

Upcoming, facebook, meetup, etc. are interesting for reaching new
mappers.  OSM reaches existing mappers.  It's nice to be able to reach
both new and existing enthusiasts.

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:

>
> What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?
>
>
That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.

My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
with:
- a calendar
- pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
Area folks come to mind)
- resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
- ...I ran out of ideas

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Jim McAndrew]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:
>
>>
>> What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?
>>
>>
> That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.
>
> My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
> community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
> with:
> - a calendar
> - pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
> Area folks come to mind)
> - resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
> commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
> - ...I ran out of ideas
>
> Any others?
>
I like the ideas that Richard Weait has of integrating it with more social
networking tools.  I'm not entirely sure how that would be done without
being too obtrusive.

People coming to the openstreetmap.us website are going to be interested in:

   - Events
  - Mapping parties
  - Meetups
  - Talks
   - How people can help
  - Holding Mapping Parties
  - Doing Personal Mapping
  - Ideas
   - Funding OpenStreetMap.us
  - at least it should be easy for them to do so
   - Learning more about the organization
   - How to get a hold of people
   - Equipment needed to map
  - walking papers
  - GPSes

There's really a lot that can go into it.  The wiki format would make it
easy for the community to add these things as people wish to see them, but
isn't as attractive to people that aren't used to technical webpages.

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[Talk-us] some thoughts on things to do

[Richard Welty]

i've used most of the garmin images Dave Hansen has made available since
last fall; first, thanks to Dave, Lambertus, and the mkgmap team for the
work so far. i've seen the improvement over the past several months, and am
more than a little energized by what is showing up.

what follows are some things i think become priorities once you've seen
where the garmin version of the OSM maps are and where they're going.
there might even be a project of the week here.

the first two have to do with routing:

1) setting highway classifications and maxspeed properly

 i'm not sure maxspeed is currently being handled, but values should
 probably be set in anticipation of being needed. those primaries and
 secondaries running through downtown with lots of stoplights are
 rarely the fast route when there's a nearby motorway, it'd be good if
 the routing had enough information to figure that out.

2) connectivity at administrative borders

 i have found a number of situations along the NY/PA border where
 state routes weren't connected up. a project i will be doing shortly
 is working the entire length of the NY/PA border looking for
 disconnects. this is probably needed elsewhere. a project of the week,
 perhaps?

and the third is...

3) POIs

 the POIs are showing up nicely in the garmin POI displays ... where
 they are in the map at all. fuel stations, convenience stores, 
restaurants,
 hotels/motels, post offices, all this stuff is worth putting in, 
all of it.
 and if you put in the address information, it shows up in the Garmin
 POI display too.

 what i don't know is if mkgmap handles POIs entered as polygons
 instead of points. i've entered a couple of POIs as building polygons
 and am looking forward to finding out.

richard


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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Thea Clay]

I agree with Steve and Kate. I think the making of openstreetmap.us should be 
lead by the community, not the board. I'm happy to help. But Steve is right 
that anyone should be able to JFDI since it's a tool for the community not the 
board :)
-Thea
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Bill Ricker]

> Some of the Meetup groups I organize have switched over to Facebook because
> a majority of the mappers are already using the service, its super easy to
> do and free


Coming from a computer security & privacy background as I do, Facebook is
even more off-putting to me than Meetup. Their open-sourcing their base code
is nice, but ... their "privacy" policy and App security almost justifies
Apple's closed garden model.

-- 
Bill
n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:
>
>>
>> What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?
>>
>>
> That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.
>
> My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
> community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
> with:
> - a calendar
> - pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
> Area folks come to mind)
> - resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
> commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
> - ...I ran out of ideas
>
> Any others?
>

Does anyone object to me setting up a copy of the openstreetmap.de site for
openstreetmap.us? They have an excellent framework for the information and
would be a good starting point.

On the other hand, there is absolutely no hurry and we can continue
discussing it if there are objections.
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