[Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control
Dear Mr. Stradivarius We don't have many Strads in Buffalo... But the top two or three were first taught by me. Reading your many postings on ecstasis and control I have come to understand that among old violins you have but a few so called Strads that your maestro teaching has help to produce. I'm deeply impressed. Sounds like the real Argentine. You know how an Argentine commits suicide? He climbs onto his ego and jumps down. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_humour) Please never try this. What would we do without maestros who are not as everyone so wrapped up in objectivication that they can't see the forest for the trees?? How could collisions with trees in milongas possibly be avoided? We'd be lost. Completely out of tune ;) Anna ___ Schon gehört? Der neue WEB.DE MultiMessenger kann`s mit allen: http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3016 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:08:44 +0200, you wrote: Dear Mr. Stradivarius We don't have many Strads in Buffalo... But the top two or three were first taught by me. Reading your many postings on ecstasis and control My postings were not on 'ecstasis and control' The original subject line was sidetracked by someone who did not understand the originator's meaning and I don't believe it was ever heard from again. I have come to understand that among old violins you have but a few so called Strads that your maestro teaching has help to produce. You have come to understand wrong. I have denied Maestro status. And my statement of 'any old violin' was directly in regard to the status Keith seemed to be relegating all 'violins' to. He did infer that a Strad was just a violin... Wrong! So, iow, I was mocking out his degredation of them. That perhaps some were fiddles, but that many were much more than that. I'm deeply impressed. Sounds like the real Argentine. You know how an Argentine commits suicide? He climbs onto his ego and jumps down. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_humour) Please never try this. Actually I have a pretty laid back ego. I never make claims about myself on my own. At least those I can't prove...But you might say I have other faults... I can't deal with those who do... . What would we do without maestros who are not as everyone so wrapped up in objectivication that they can't see the forest for the trees?? How could collisions with trees in milongas possibly be avoided? We'd be lost. Completely out of tune ;) You might start to feel Tango...? Anna What are you looking for now? Anger? Confrontation? Oneupsmanship? Why is that? I am only looking to describe Tango using an analogy that I believe to be very appropos, beautiful, and 'in tune'. Perhaps you should try to *better* my analogy instead of deriding it. I might even start using yours instead. A Maestro and Strad pairing is something many many people in the world want to see and hear more of. It's a wonderful combination of harmony, co-operation and dedication Now if I had used bulldozer and dirt, you'd have a reason to be upset, eh? ;-/ Floyd Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Floyd, I'm amazed that any regular reader of Tango-L could have missed the ... 'violin debate'. And, yes. it did seem endless. I don't recall your website being mentioned but someone else did use the analogy of the woman being the 'violin'. I certainly don't want to restart that debate but I must tell use that it was almost unanimous that every woman (and most men) who replied HATED the analogy. You may want to rewrite that section of your website :-). For the debate, check the Archives. Keith, HK On Sat Mar 29 9:51 , Floyd Baker sent: As for the seemingly decades long 'violin' debate? I didn't realize you were having one. With who? And one so 'strongly felt'? Especially since it's been less than 3 years since you got into Tango? I havn't heard of any such debate myself... Are you perchance referring to statements in my 'How to Tango' pages..? Where I refer to the folower being 'a violin'..?You don't state which side of the debate you're on. I'd expect you would agree with me.., but you've surprised me before. ;-)Actually I don't know anyone who would disagree.So I wonder where any 'debate' would even come from. I state it's the leader's job to (help) bring out the *beauty* of the follower during the dance. There should be no disagreement (debate) there... I use an analogy of a leader being a Maestro and the follower being the Strad. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Hi Keith... Thanks for the word on the thread.I have looked back in my own archive and found it was going on from Dec 21 to Dec 25th of 07. That's not exactly 'endless'... But the time period would be reason enough for me to have missed it. Nothing amazing about it. But moreover.., I was so burned out from spending 4 months totally involved with nothing but organizing the Buffalo Tango Festival.., along with putting up with a self agrandizing devisive clique that has developed here now.., that I dropped out.., and stayed away from anything Tango for the rest of the year and into January... But..., I'm back at working on another Festival... I'll never learn. gSo we'll see how it goes this time. Pictures of the last couple of years are here, btw... I've been working on the albums for the past few days... http://www.buffalotango.com/html/the_gallery.html Remember I'm just getting back into it.., and I'm changing the photos from our domain to Google too. So this is still just a very good *sample*.I'll be adding more soon. . Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Only when someone brought in some totally unrelated negative slang term did people begin to shy away. Ya see? Whenever there are two ways to go.., some people just can't help pointing everyone to the wrong direction.And some people just go there... I just don't understand it. It happens a lot, I know. Strads of course have the finest of qualities.. Their tones are the most perfect in music. They produce extreme beauty because of their qualities.. And the Maistro attempts to bring out their fullest potential. It takes two to Tango. So I still don't know anyone who would disagree with that analogy.. . Now watch someone argue Guinarius. That would be typical, eh? ;-) Take care Floyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:34:28 -0400, you wrote: Floyd, I'm amazed that any regular reader of Tango-L could have missed the ... 'violin debate'. And, yes. it did seem endless. I don't recall your website being mentioned but someone else did use the analogy of the woman being the 'violin'. I certainly don't want to restart that debate but I must tell use that it was almost unanimous that every woman (and most men) who replied HATED the analogy. You may want to rewrite that section of your website :-). For the debate, check the Archives. Keith, HK Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Well.as Keith pointed out, it was the 'violins' who were complaining but what do we have to say about it? We are only your 'instruments', right maestro? We should stick to our passive, submissive roles, right? The supporters for the analogy were two males who repeatedly posted defenses - and they are no longer with us. What is the ratio of violins to maestros in Buffalo? Nancy Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Well.as Keith pointed out, it was the 'violins' who were complaining but what do we have to say about it? We are only your 'instruments', right maestro? We should stick to our passive, submissive roles, right? The supporters for the analogy were two males who repeatedly posted defenses - and they are no longer with us. What is the ratio of violins to maestros in Buffalo? Nancy I'm honored... 25 posts in about the same number of months and I'm one of them...? But to respond.. Based on my 'Strad' analogy of course... Not just any old violin. Perhaps you should try that passive submissive role some day..? Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? To give you the leads that give you a rush by staying with them? What is the problem with people accepting what is real..? Everyone wants everything 'their' way. Or did I misunderstand you... As for your question... We don't have many Strads in Buffalo... But the top two or three were first taught by me. Hugs... Floyd Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? Not if they are so rude as to dance with a hat on their heads: http://www.buffalotango.com/html/Knox%20Night%20News%20Clip%20-%20A.mpg But I guess that is the way you do it in the Tango Capital of Buffalo. Nancy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Floyd, I really didn't want to get into this again, but ... Floyd, if you're ever lucky enough to dance with a fabulous woman, such as my wife for example or, if she's not available, someone like Geraldine Rojas, is that really how you'd think of the dance - you as the maestro and this fabulous woman as an instrument for you to play; that is what a viloin is, isn't it, even a strad? Can't you see what a horrible concept that is - especially for the woman. I think part of your problem might lie in the terminology you use: leader and follower. I hate those words. If you think of Tango as a dance between a man and a woman, you might think about it a little differently. Floyd, my wife is no one's violin and I don't think any true maestro would ever think of her, or any woman, in such a demeaning way. Keith, UK On Sun Mar 30 9:47 , Floyd Baker sent: Based on my 'Strad' analogy of course... Not just any old violin. Perhaps you should try that passive submissive role some day..? Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? To give you the leads that give you a rush by staying with them? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Nancy... There you go finding fault again... g But it's my *magic* hat. I couldn't dance at all without it. And it was a show event after all... It wasn't the only hat. Just for the record... My partner's name in the vid is Sarah. A student of about 6-8 weeks at the time. She left for CO a few months later and I have missed her greatly, ever since... The event basically marked the first anniversary of my first starting to grow Tango in Buffalo, where it had previously been known as 'a vast Tango wasteland'..Not bad for one year, eh? :-) There's a lot more vid's on the site if anyone's interested.Just remember it was the first time most of us were exposed to that many eyes on us while being in the middle of a big, well lit, dance floor.., all by ourselves...:-) Take care... Floyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:31:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? Not if they are so rude as to dance with a hat on their heads: http://www.buffalotango.com/html/Knox%20Night%20News%20Clip%20-%20A.mpg But I guess that is the way you do it in the Tango Capital of Buffalo. Nancy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Keith... I think you do not understand the value and worth of a Strad... The quality, craftsmanship, and complete understanding and love of music that went into creating one. How desired they are by those who know music best? The ability one has to bring forth exquisit sounds.., which are only possible IF someone is able to lead that strad into producing them.. I do think of Tango as a dance between a man and a woman. Absolutely so... But I also know that a Strad can make people cry too. I'm just sorry that everyone's so wrapped up in 'objectification' that they can't see the forest for the trees. Btw... I'm not claiming to be a Maistro by any means... But I believe I know what Tango is about. And it's not the mechanized version people seem to be striving for. Floyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:01:39 -0400, you wrote: Floyd, I really didn't want to get into this again, but ... Floyd, if you're ever lucky enough to dance with a fabulous woman, such as my wife for example or, if she's not available, someone like Geraldine Rojas, is that really how you'd think of the dance - you as the maestro and this fabulous woman as an instrument for you to play; that is what a viloin is, isn't it, even a strad? Can't you see what a horrible concept that is - especially for the woman. I think part of your problem might lie in the terminology you use: leader and follower. I hate those words. If you think of Tango as a dance between a man and a woman, you might think about it a little differently. Floyd, my wife is no one's violin and I don't think any true maestro would ever think of her, or any woman, in such a demeaning way. Keith, UK On Sun Mar 30 9:47 , Floyd Baker sent: Based on my 'Strad' analogy of course... Not just any old violin. Perhaps you should try that passive submissive role some day..? Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? To give you the leads that give you a rush by staying with them? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control
Nobody should ever be under any compulsion to do something that he or she doesn't want to do. It sounds a little creepy to be restricted and instructed that I have no will, although I wasn't there, so I don't really know what that experience felt like. Well, I guess that my original post didn't explain the setting enough. The woman was a friend who had never danced tango. We were listening to non-tango ballads but danceable as a slow tango. I offered to give her an experience of the dance. She began moving side to side as many first time tango dancers do. I tried to show that it was not salsa that we were dancing. That it was a couple dance that needed a follower and that it was both intimate and formal in an elegant way. ..the comment about 'no will of your own' was half in humor.. She seemed to find it interesting.. Thanks for the last line where you give the experience the benefit of the doubt, because you weren't there. I have alread decided (thanks to some lower back muscles) that In the future, not to dance tango with women who either haven't mastered their own balance or who haven't danced tango before. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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sopelote wrote: Well, I guess that my original post didn't explain the setting enough. The woman was a friend who had never danced tango. We were listening to non-tango ballads but danceable as a slow tango. I offered to give her an experience of the dance. ..by dancing to non-tango music? ...maybe half an experience would be more correct. ** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15amp; ncid=aolhom000301) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always been taught, as a follower and leader, that both parties have to feel comfortable in the embrace. This means that, if I am leading a partner I do not know, I might ask if close embrace is comfortable, Ugh, and what is one gonna answer to that? Jeez, do you guys have to *talk* about EVERYTHING? There is a lot to negotiate about the embrace. Everyone's sense of personal space must be respected. I find there are some interesting cultural differences in how these feelings are accommodated. In classes in North America, I've heard teachers tell leaders that the woman decides how close she is willing to dance with her partner. In this approach, the man offers an embrace and the woman chooses to step in close or not. Yes. That is ok by me. But I have also had men who offered a wide open embrace as was their habit, and when they started to feel that I dance differently, let me move in closer and held me tight. Not everyone gets to be that lucky, of course. ; ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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You were very clear Mario... On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Nobody should ever be under any compulsion to do something that he or she doesn't want to do. It sounds a little creepy to be restricted and instructed that I have no will, although I wasn't there, so I don't really know what that experience felt like. Well, I guess that my original post didn't explain the setting enough. The woman was a friend who had never danced tango. We were listening to non-tango ballads but danceable as a slow tango. I offered to give her an experience of the dance. She began moving side to side as many first time tango dancers do. I tried to show that it was not salsa that we were dancing. That it was a couple dance that needed a follower and that it was both intimate and formal in an elegant way. ..the comment about 'no will of your own' was half in humor.. She seemed to find it interesting.. Thanks for the last line where you give the experience the benefit of the doubt, because you weren't there. I have alread decided (thanks to some lower back muscles) that In the future, not to dance tango with women who either haven't mastered their own balance or who haven't danced tango before. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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I might ask if close embrace is comfortable, Ugh, and what is one gonna answer to that? Jeez, do you guys have to *talk* about EVERYTHING? It's what happens when people get the idea words necessarily communicate better than feel. Especially if they've learnt through words (instruction) mroe than through feel (dance). If you feel the embrace, you know directly whether it's comfortable. If you can't/won't feel, you have to find out indirectly - by asking in words. The problems start when the answer comes likewise indirectly in words, and you have to interpret it... if I am leading a partner I do not know, ...and the problems continue until you realise /every/ partner you thought you knew from words, you actually don't - each night she can feel different. I have always been taught, as a follower and leader... Barbra, I guess you're a girl. Let's keep in mind that the average guy starts out with the advantage of greater experience in feeling girls. -- Chris ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Ugh, and what is one gonna answer to that? Jeez, do you guys have to *talk* about EVERYTHING? It's what happens when people get the idea words necessarily communicate better than feel. Especially if they've learnt through words (instruction) mroe than through feel (dance). If you feel the embrace, you know directly whether it's comfortable. If you can't/won't feel, you have to find out indirectly - by asking in words. Was this tango as good for me as it was for you? : P ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Valerie Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I accept an invitation in the first place, the presumption is that I'm going to dance the way the man wants to dance. That's why I want to watch first and see if I'm going to be all right with that. I don't negotiate the embrace when I start to dance with him. The negotiation occurred when he looked at me, nodded, and I decided whether or not to nod back. Brava. Brilliant stuff. I find this a lot more peaceful and easy to deal with than our scene. It's a little uncomfortable turning down someone who stands in front of me and sticks out his hand. (I HATE that.) I DESPISE the whole stick-out-the-arm thing, especially when done in a blase manner with no accompanying polite verbal invitation. To me it looks like the master deigning to take the little poodle out for a walk, and the poodle is supposed to get all filled with excitement and wag her little tail in glee because her master has bestowed upon her such a wonderful privilege. It also reminds me of guys in the 1950s who would just pull up their souped-up car in front of the girl's house with the engine still idling and honk the horn, expecting her to rush out breathless with excitement and hop in, thankful that she is lucky enough to have been chosen to engage in such grovelling behavior in favor of some other tramp at the high school. Huck, I do hope I'm not going too far over the top with this :-) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Another attempt. Needed to snip. Barbra... While I certainly agree with 'invitations' and all kinds of choices being offered and given to followers by their leaders.., that really would only apply to people who know how to respond and/or choose correctly.So perhaps you've missed the point of Mario's posts? I took him to say that he had to keep her from dancing the 'other' dance, with the motions she knew.., as she was being shown how to Tango.Helping her overcome her inclinations, keeping her verticle axis, balance, etc.With the lady not having any previous Tango experience, the methods Mario described seem totally acceptable. One needs to allow a wide lattitude to a person's meanings and the words they use, that's all... Go for the positive, always. Because he did state..: I had asked her if she wanted to experience the tango and she answered 'yes' ...so, all was fair in love, war and tango... So I see no reason to get into how we all know it's 'normally' done. As for the seemingly decades long 'violin' debate? I didn't realize you were having one. With who? And one so 'strongly felt'? Especially since it's been less than 3 years since you got into Tango? I havn't heard of any such debate myself... Are you perchance referring to statements in my 'How to Tango' pages..? Where I refer to the folower being 'a violin'..?You don't state which side of the debate you're on. I'd expect you would agree with me.., but you've surprised me before. ;-)Actually I don't know anyone who would disagree.So I wonder where any 'debate' would even come from. I state it's the leader's job to (help) bring out the *beauty* of the follower during the dance. There should be no disagreement (debate) there... I use an analogy of a leader being a Maestro and the follower being the Strad. And even if not referring to my statements, no matter who relates a follower to being a violin is totally in tune. :-)There should be no question to that at all. Nice to think you're reading them though. Everyone should... And *that* is my segway to invite everyone to do so. g There is a lot of good Tango thinking in those 70 pages... (If you print them out.)Much of it garnered from this very listserv over the last 13 years. I have gone to the ultimate authority.., the MIT Tango-L.., the Tango Bible. Mario, personally I think you did a very good job of it by your description. When you're back in Philadelphia I hope one of us gets a chance to visit the other... Carry/// Tango on... Floyd Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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sorry if others have already commented - I am trying to clear out a bunch of e-mails, when I ran into this - I don't know what, if any, relationship you had with your dance partner, Mario and perhaps she was comfortable with your tango - but I know a lot of new tango dancers read this list and I want to say that there is at least one very different point-of-view about how to approach a partner, and a tango. I have always been taught, as a follower and leader, that both parties have to feel comfortable in the embrace. This means that, if I am leading a partner I do not know, I might ask if close embrace is comfortable, or I'd simply offer an open embrace, moving into close embrace if my partner offers it. Even when followers say they'd rather dance in open embrace, it is not uncommon that, during the tanda as folks relax, we will move into the close embrace I had offered before the dance. Similarly, as a lead, if I am not comfortable with close embrace with a particular partner, for any number of reasons, I offer an open embrace only, without moving into close embrace. The key word here is offer. After all, we call ourselves partners, not the victorious and vanquished, :) (please note the smiley face, which indicates that I am exaggerating the metaphor to make a point). And as a follow, it is actually a little creepy for me to imagine a partner who starts the dance by restricting my movements, telling me that I am not to exercise any will of my own, and any to express myself in the dance is met with an even more forceful embrace to ensure that I got the message. I know we've been round and round on this type of issue (I still remember that seemingly decades long debate over whether a woman could be a violin.), and think everyone's point of view has been established - the reason for my response is just to let new dancers know there is a different way to create the tango connection we are strive for. Most of the followers here would not tolerate a new-comer using Mario's style for more than one dance, and word would quickly spread. btw, we are a close embrace community - most of us dance close embrace with each other all the time. My point here is that if I am dancing with someone I don't know/haven't danced with, I make the offer of embrace as I wrote above. barbra Mario wrote ... ...for me it was a combination of Ecstasy and ControlI held her Milonguero style, and from the beginning, began to restrict her movements...I whispered in her ear that she was to follow me and had no will of her ownshe was to surrender to the music and to my leadshe wanted to bobb side to side and 'express' an independent rhythm but I refused to let her do it...I held her closer in an abrazo milonguero and she got the message ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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..Yes, for a moment, I was in Tango heaven while dancing to a romantic bolero. ..for dancing the tango to a non tango song and with a non tanguera, we begin with the Pause. I held her tight to me and waited for all of her sporatic movements to stop ..the wiggling side to side the wanting to pull away and dance more in her own space.. the pull to the non-tango.. I had asked her if she wanted to experience the tango and she answered 'yes' ...so, all was fair in love, war and tangoI held her still and waited for her to recognise the two of us, alone in an embrace...at first, the panic thoughts of; 'we're not moving...what will everyone think??' passed like waves and subsided..then it was the intimacy of the embrace as the strains of music began to enter consciousness - ..the music the embrace and then the movement...controlled, balanced, erect and close. I walked backwards because she could not walk backwards herself without wavering when I felt her firmly on one foot I gave a boleo and then lead a front cross.. ..we did a giro and then I walked backwards more..until again on one foot alone, I turned her in a calasita ...it was classic, it was fun, it was man and woman communicating intimately. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
