HTML Mail (was:: 1.53l)
Hello Allie, On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:16:53 -0500GMT (16/07/2001, 03:16 +0800GMT), A Curtis Martin wrote: ACM HTML mail does have its place but certainly not as a default setting for ACM all messages. The facility to have it set to default really gets to me. It's up to the user to decide whether he wants to make it the default or not. I say, the downloaded version fresh out of the box should have plain-text email as default - but do not disallow to change that. ACM Utterly unnecessary in my view and, more than anything else, leads to its ACM abuse. Don't use it if you don't want to (I won't). But don't suggest to nanny the user, TB is not big enough for that. If you are against default HTML mail, write to Microsoft® about their OE/OL products, and ask them to make plain-text the default, instead of of HTML. Or, even better, write to AOL®, who in their latest software do not even allow plain-text! All you can do is write HTML mails. Now, that is evil (to use one of Steve Gibson's favourite terms). ACM 'I'm not young enough to know everything.' This is one of the truest taglines I've read in a while. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.53l
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello -=/, Sunday, July 15, 2001, 7:56:13 PM, you wrote: NA Well, I must admit that I have mixed emotions about the inclusion of NA features such as that, TB Even if you never use it, it'll be nice to be able to say to these OE TB and Eudora users Yeah, I can do that too. C Eudora sucks; all bells and whistles and it doesn't even work behind a C proxy-server! TB! does not work behind some commonly found proxy servers. To get it to work with Socks proxies you need third party software. Also getting it to work with Squid took a little bit of time. - -- Jamie Dainton [Bat] On Monday, July 16, 2001 at 8:19:45 AM The Bat! 1.53 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO1KV4YP76OeRfCgzEQKAEwCgnENATxIDRRaGffrIYcUYU1H06HIAoNDs QGB3p1HHavv82voL3Ql4VZXZ =K3wG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.53l
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, July 16, 2001, 2:39:03 AM, Leslie Costar wrote: They're not necessarily bad, but HTML written emails have been known for their security risks... :( However, I feel that's a different thread :) Actually it's quite easy to deal with HTML's security risks. Simplt don't support Java/JScript/VBScript :) - -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Powered by RITlabs' The Bat! iQA/AwUBO1KH6/FgRjY97rftEQLpEQCg3b+/REKkS0BHGGJLmWnvCo52INkAoKSV CQ8pdwxMCx0vTHcC5+HMD9Ns =FJHs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Synchronisation creating a mirror image
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I wonder if it would be possible to make the synchronisation function mirror an installations folders settings etc. The present synchronisation process seems to only append/add messages that are not present to the installation being synchronised with the other. The problem with that is this: I've been using v1.53d for a while now and since then I've cleaned some of my archive folders of viruses etc. I've also archived away large amounts of messages from some of my folders that were reaching 4000 message capacity. The SecureBat! installation that I have has not been dealt with in this fashion at all. I'd therefore have to repeat the entire process after synchronisation. I'm wondering if there could be an option to make an exact image of the folder message bases as opposed to what the synchronisation process presently does. I do definitely see a need for the present functionality. I'm just wishing for that additional option of mirroring the message bases rather than just simply updating by adding messages/folders not present. I guess one solution would be to do a complete backup of the TB! installation, delete the accounts in SB! and then doing a full restore. This takes longer though. - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53d) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'I can do without essentials but I must have my luxuries' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Get my Public Key here - http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com iEYEARECAAYFAjtTJS0ACgkQV8nrYCsHF+J2JQCgoLwUm+fTQmFKqeSuABIqlD5L E2QAnj+8Ylc53PnrQVkxbc38jhKn8ZcU =vuae -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[4]: 1.53l
Hi Leslie, LC They're not necessarily bad, but HTML written emails have been known for LC their security risks... :( security issues arise from scripts (JavaScript, VBScript) embedded in HTML mails, not from HTML itself nor CSS. The RIT guys haven't put scripting support into their HTML engine for exactly that reason and I hope they won't change their minds. Regards Michael -- The Bat! 1.53d Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: 1.53l
Greetings BatPeople, Sunday, July 15, 2001, 7:14:18 PM, Alexander wrote: AL Hello Allie, ALOn Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:07:23 -0500 (16.07.2001 02:07 my local time) ALyou wrote about 1.53l, ALat least in part: ACM Why would one want to incorporate web ACM page creating functionality into TB!??? It's an e-mail client. AL Believe me - a crowd of users :-( Then incorporate it as a plugin .. similar to the languages and pgp. That way only those that want it can install it. And list support as minimal so we can focus on the main product itself. If I want full HTML support, I'll use netscape. -- Cheers, Cricketmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 ver5.0 Build 2195 using a Pentium P-III 500Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Address Auto-View
Hello Batters, I know that a lot of people like to focus on the new HTML-Engine ;-), but anyways here's a suggestion/complaint about the Address Auto-View (SHIFT-CTRL-O): - when you activate it, it gets focused, so that you have to use the mouse or ALT-TAB to go back to the message list. In my opinion the focus should stay/go back to where it was - when you minimize The Bat!, the Address Viewer stays open. It really doesn't make any sense for me to have that standing alone, so please minimize and restore it with The Bat! - since it takes up valuable screen-space, it try to make it as small as possible. If there is a photo in the adress book, it will display (which I like a lot), but it will put the name next to it, thus making the window unnecessary wide. It think it will save some space to put the name above the picture - since this feature makes sense in some folders (like a personal folder where you have photos from the people) and is not necessary in others (e.g. mailinglists), how about a feature to set this on a per folder basis? If I enter one it appeares, I enter the other one it disappears again... - Since this is the same technique as used in the memo field (background window put always on top kind), I think it will cause problems for blind people using a screen reader. But others can comment on this better... -- CaLViN mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53bis under Windows NT 5.0 Service Pack 1 Build 2195 . -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.53l
Hi Nick, Sunday, July 15, 2001, 8:26:59 PM, you wrote: It is my personal view that HTML does not belong in E-Mail. exactly my sentiments ; it's like writing a letter using crayons and those neon highlighters ... -- Rob using The Bat! 1.53d and Windows 98 4.10 Build A ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody. -Bill Gates, 1981 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML Mail (was: 1.53l)
On July 15, 2001, at 11:32:23 PM -0700, Thomas F wrote: The new feature is about being able to _compose_ messages in HTML. Yes, but why? Who would want to compose HTML mail? Certainly not the majority of Users represented on TBUDL or TBBETA. We must therefore not be truly representative of the TB User base. Of all the features we've been wanting, and openly discussing on TBUDL, RITLabs ends up providing HTML composition. That is remindful of how Qualcomm suddenly introduced the silly chilli pepper thing, which came as a total and embarrassing surprise to the Eudora User base as represented by the Mailing Lists and Newsgroups. -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Courtenay, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53k/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 7.1 ___ -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML Mail
Hello Nick, On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:32:33 -0700GMT (17/07/2001, 11:32 +0800GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: NA Yes, but why? Who would want to compose HTML mail? I was also against using a mouse to navigate and thought I'd never give up my CLI. NA Of all the features we've been wanting, and openly discussing on TBUDL, NA RITLabs ends up providing HTML composition. Can we please wait until at least the first beta is out before we start bashing it? And it's not a surprise, as Stefan already mumbled something about them working on an HTML editor a few months ago. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53l under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.53l
Hello Rob, On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:53:46 +0200GMT (17/07/2001, 05:53 +0800GMT), Rob wrote: It is my personal view that HTML does not belong in E-Mail. R exactly my sentiments ; it's like writing a letter using crayons and those R neon highlighters ... Are you not contradicting Nick? Or am I the only one who uses crayons and neon pens in letters? I think it makes the letters more interesting to read. Sometimes I paste in the odd picture, too. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53l under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
