Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Neal, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NL Still won't use it. I never use Inbox - Known but have been staring at NL it for years. Just a matter of user choice. Me neither and choice is the most important thing. It seems that this request for a Draft folder (which I've already supported) has stirred up more of a hornets nest than anything else for a long time. I personally can't see any _really_ logical argument against it, but may for. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Ian, On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IAW The first thing is to either provide an alert or a Draft folder where IAW messages can be copied or moved AND that messages there can be further IAW edited. I was worried about that with the present version so I changed my Icon file so that, when a message is saved as Draft, the outbox shows a nice big red going out arrow whereas an ordinarily saved message just shows the outbox as normal bold and ready to send. I'd still prefer a separate Draft box though as I have once (and that's enough) sent a draft message in error before it was possible to delete it. Not drastic but apologies were needed and that was still with my big red arrow there! -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
[The Bat! 3.63.09] Tab key does not work in Subject field
Hello, folks! I don't know, if it has been already mentioned here. If the cursor is in the Subject field, it does not jump into the message body by typing the tab key. Any confirmations? -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: About TB folders
12/14/2005 6:12 AM Hi Vili, On 12/13/2005 Vili wrote: V Ok, then I should campaign for a Hungarian, Russian, etc folder... V Because I have different emailing habits..(?) Draft messages are a part of everyone's use. Sorry you do not understand that. V Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing V stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does V not...) Please re-read my message with a desire for understanding and you will see we are talking about two different things. Also, even though my old eyes struggle sometimes with these new icons at high resolutions I am able to distinguish the differences and have been doing it in TB! since 1998. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
[The Bat! 3.63.09] Context menu (right-click) in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields does not work
Hello, folks! If the cursor is in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields, Context menu (right-click) does not work. Confirmations? -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
[The Bat! 3.63.09] Address picker only shows To: tab
Hello, folks! Address picker: Where have the CC: and BCC: tabs gone? There is only the To: tab. -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Tab key does not work in Subject field
[Reply to: Peter Hampf · 2005-12-14 · 12:19 h (CET)] Hello, Peter! If the cursor is in the Subject field, it does not jump into the message body by typing the tab key. That's a known one. The editor part is subject of change, which means that this will be fixed soon. OK, thanks! Then my message (Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is obsolet, too. -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Tab key does not work in Subject field
Hello Volker, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 5:41:41 AM, you wrote: VA If the cursor is in the Subject field, it does not jump into the VA message body by typing the tab key. VA Any confirmations? Confirmed. I rolled back one beta version due to the duplication mail messages and the cursor in the subject field. I suspect both problems will be solved in the next beta. I'm just waiting. Otherwise, .09 loaded fine and operated well. Just a few small problems to iron out. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Context menu (right-click) in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields does not work
Hello Volker, If the cursor is in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields, Context menu (right-click) does not work. Confirmations? http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5443 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Address picker only shows To: tab
Hello Volker, Address picker: Where have the CC: and BCC: tabs gone? There is only the To: tab. http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5442 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? 100%... I am using 3.62.14. -- Vili The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: About TB folders
Hello Paul, V Ok, then I should campaign for a Hungarian, Russian, etc folder... V Because I have different emailing habits..(?) Draft messages are a part of everyone's use. Sorry you do not understand that. No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we have enough default folders already? V Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing V stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does V not...) Please re-read my message with a desire for understanding and you will see we are talking about two different things. Also, even though my old eyes struggle sometimes with these new icons at high resolutions I am able to distinguish the differences and have been doing it in TB! since 1998. Ok, I give up. I feel a new Drafts folder's usefulness to be minimal, but I understand that it would be beneficial for you... -- Vili The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? 100%... I am using 3.62.14. As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see attached GIF from my Outbox and tell me which one is a Draft and which one is Keep. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Keep_flag.gif Description: GIF image Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Ian! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 11:39 PM, you wrote: At the moment when you prepare a new message, the template is either based on the folder or address etc. Once that message has been saved, further editing does not see those template features change. To have the template features change because it has been moved to a particular folder or to remember from where it came to work out what the template features should be is going to involve a lot more than simply providing a new folder. But, Ian! This is precisely one of my complaints about the current behavior of the Outbox: It *does* automatically change my AB template feature under which the message has been composed. It does this now, and AFAIK has done it through many previous versions. I am talking about the macro %NOUSEPGP . In my Account Properties I have the box Sign when completed checked under Message-Editor settings. When I reopen a message in the Outbox for editing--or just to re-read it before sending, the Privacy menu changes this to Sign when completed. If I have already cached my Open PGP password for a few hours--as is my habit, for the convenience--the message will go out signed with no further notification to me. However, I have now formed the habit of checking the Privacy drop-down menu before sending anything, these days. If, in Account Properties, I had the box Sign when completed *not* checked, then a message I intended to sign, using a Macro in an AB template, would *not* be signed--contrary to my intention. Outbox should not over-ride my address book templates. In no other folder is the address book template over-ridden by the Account/Properties/Options/Message-Editor settings. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Tab key does not work in Subject field
Hello Volker! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 4:41 AM, you wrote: I don't know, if it has been already mentioned here. If the cursor is in the Subject field, it does not jump into the message body by typing the tab key. Any confirmations? Confirmed. Mentioned here quite a few times. As far as I can understand, the development team is in process of re-writing the code that controls the headers. There are a number of bugs affecting the headers in v. 3.63.09. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Context menu (right-click) in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields does not work
Hello Volker! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 5:38 AM, you wrote: If the cursor is in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields, Context menu (right-click) does not work. Confirmations? Again, this is one of a number of bugs in beta v. 3.63.09. We've been told the development team is working on the editor function of the header fields. So no BT logs have been made of these several bugs, AFAIK. Waiting to see how the headers editor works in the next beta. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 6:42:00 PM, Vili wrote: Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? The real question is why would anyone have to have a message in preparation IN the outbox when it needed later editing? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [The Bat! 3.63.09] Context menu (right-click) in To:, CC:, Subject: etc. fields does not work
Hello Mary! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 7:29 AM, you wrote: Again, this is one of a number of bugs in beta v. 3.63.09. We've been told the development team is working on the editor function of the header fields. So no BT logs have been made of these several bugs, AFAIK. I should have noted that several of them have also been logged on BT. The URLs of a couple were posted on this thread by MAU. I have put supporting notes to them as soon as he originally posted the URLs. I'm wondering if it would help the developers if all these header-bugs' notes were to be collected into a single list. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:38:13 AM, Vili wrote: No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we have enough default folders already? the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process where they are not mixed up with documents which are complete and ready at some time to send out into the world in their present state. There may be enough, or more than enough, default folders for INCOMING mail, but one too few folders for outgoing mail. It doesn't even have to be a default folder. It could be a folder which one would have to create. Now it is not possible to create a draft folder. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Dwight! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 8:02 AM, you wrote: ... Dont we have enough default folders already? the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process where they are not mixed up with documents which are complete and ready at some time to send out into the world in their present state. There may be enough, or more than enough, default folders for INCOMING mail, but one too few folders for outgoing mail. It doesn't even have to be a default folder. It could be a folder which one would have to create. Now it is not possible to create a draft folder. Well said, Dwight!! I am taking the liberty of quoting this post of yours into a further support note at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 5:14:22 PM, Paul Van Noord wrote: I agree. Regardless of the solution the problem is an exception that affects a small number of users who have chosen the challenge. I think that mis-characterizes the problem. It's not like one sets out to create a problem where one one account at home and one at the office just to make things complicated. One didn't choose to make SMTP servers reject their legitimate mail just because they are logged on from another legitimate location. And it is not list subscriber's choice to have lists which only allow one to post only from the address they have chosen to receive messages from and not from other legitimate addresses they are forced to use by the above mentioned condition. I wonder how many client programs deal with it at all.? I don't know the answer to that, but one of the reasons that I have been using TB! through the years and haven't been venturing out to test other programs has been the fact that it does deal with it. The notion that if other clients don't allow this, so it is ok to take it away is just as wrong as the logic appearing in the current outbox debate to the effect that since lots of other clients do have a draft box, TB! will be less better if it also adopted this feature. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :manx-flag: Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? 100%... I am using 3.62.14. As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see attached GIF from my Outbox and tell me which one is a Draft and which one is Keep. There is no such group that Keep. So, each of it is Draft. -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? The real question is why would anyone have to have a message in preparation IN the outbox when it needed later editing? I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has problem with it... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we have enough default folders already? the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process where they are not mixed up with documents which are complete and ready at some time to send out into the world in their present state. You have a flag to distinguish between them... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:11:39 AM, Vili wrote: I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has problem with it... You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program since 1.3 works well are you? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:12:55 AM, Vili wrote: You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:12 AM, you wrote: No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we have enough default folders already? the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process where they are not mixed up with documents which are complete and ready at some time to send out into the world in their present state. You have a flag to distinguish between them... Not sufficient. Even flagged, they sometimes accidentally go out. And especially with this new faulty feature of Save the Message box popping up AFTER the message has been sent. Further, the Outbox over-rides my AB macros %SIGN COMPLETE and %NOUSEPGP as well as %ENCRYPT COMPLETE It defaults to the Account/Properties/Options/Message-Editor setting. And there is no way to make a Folder setting in Outbox to counter this. I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? As has been noted by others, I too never use Inbox-Known. But I'm not campaigning to have it taken away from you (if you use it) or anyone else who likes it. You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has problem with it... You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program since 1.3 works well are you? This is what I am trying to say: I dont feel it as an improvement. I feel it like the new GUI: totally unnecessary new toy... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 16:25 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'About TB folders' : Hoi Mary, ___\/___ o/\o MB What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied MB to me by the developers? MB As has been noted by others, I too never use Inbox-Known. But I'm not MB campaigning to have it taken away from you (if you use it) or anyone MB else who likes it. dito, never understood it, never got it to work, hence I don't use it. But a Draft-folder would come in really handy. MB You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same MB way. Just don't use it. that's my clever grams! ;) :kiss: -- groeten, Cees A Bachelor can go fishing anytime, until he gets hooked. __ The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Mary, No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we have enough default folders already? the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process where they are not mixed up with documents which are complete and ready at some time to send out into the world in their present state. You have a flag to distinguish between them... Not sufficient. Even flagged, they sometimes accidentally go out. You can accidentally hit Send also in the mail that you are just editing... So, I dont see, why Drafts folder would be such a new improvement... And especially with this new faulty feature of Save the Message box popping up AFTER the message has been sent. We agree on it. This is a not necessary feature. I think, that asking the user if he's sure to copy the mail to the Outbox, all problem could be solved. Further, the Outbox over-rides my AB macros %SIGN COMPLETE %NOUSEPGP as well as %ENCRYPT COMPLETE Ok, that is a bug. We dont need a Dwarfs :) folder because of this bug... I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? :)) Simpler is always better... Why would be anyone hurt if I would ask for a Hungarian folder? Same issue. As has been noted by others, I too never use Inbox-Known. But I'm not campaigning to have it taken away from you (if you use it) or anyone else who likes it. That is already IN. Drafts is NOT YET in. That is the difference... You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Multi-line headers in Editor
Hello MAU, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:59:06 +0100 GMT (14/12/2005, 00:59 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M Please see attached. I've noticed when doing a reply to all with enough M addresses in the CC field. Really nice!! :) Yes, confirmed with 3.62.14 in the office. :-) M I went back to 3.62.14 just to test the same message with which I M 'discovered' the feature this morning and I cannot confirm it. With M 3.62.14 I only get _one- line with only the first couple of addresses M displayed. You are right. It's the viewer in which the limit is three lines, the editor still uses only one line in 3.62.14. I checked today, because I received another circular, and remembered your mail. To see more, you have to click on the right-most icon that appears when the CC field is active. M It doesn't work in 3.63.09 :) Too bad. I'm not using that beta, so I cannot confirm. I think it's OK to limit the number of lines displayed automatically. M I wouldn't disagree to that limitation. Works fine for me - at least in the viewer. -- Cheers, Thomas. Andreas Moeller: Mailand oder Madrid - Hauptsache Italien. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? 100%... I am using 3.62.14. As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see attached GIF from my Outbox and tell me which one is a Draft and which one is Keep. There is no such group that Keep. So, each of it is Draft. Wrong! There is one of each. Come on, take your _guess_! You have a 50% chance of _guessing_ it right ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:29 AM, you wrote: I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has problem with it... You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program since 1.3 works well are you? This is what I am trying to say: I dont feel it as an improvement. I feel it like the new GUI: totally unnecessary new toy... It is indeed *not* an unnecessary new toy. It is not a toy at all which is being asked for. It is an upgrade in functionality. Even if the faulty flag (so-called) behavior and the dangerously ambiguous Save the message box that pops up AFTER the message has already gone and puts it back into the Outbox if you click YES, and the dangerous alteration of PGP Macros by the Outbox--even if all these were fixed: I would still hate having to scroll down and find my flagged (so-called) messages waiting for Further Editing among all the unflagged (so-called) messages Waiting to be Sent. Once more, I ask you, Vili, how will it hurt you if the developers make a functioning Draft folder for my use and the use of many others who *do* indeed need it. Something you NEED, as opposed to something you WANT, is not a totally unnecessary new toy. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34 AM, you wrote: You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. I'm hungry. You're not hungry. So, you oppose my being fed because you don't see the significance of my getting fed. :( I feel sooo unloved and unwanted! :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34 AM, you wrote: I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? :)) Simpler is always better... Why would be anyone hurt if I would ask for a Hungarian folder? Same issue. This point has already been elegantly answered. Yhe difference: 1) You can create a Hungarian folder for yourself. 2) I cannot create a Draft folder which functions as described in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 for myself. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 16:42 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'About TB folders' : Hoi Mary, You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. MB I'm hungry. MB You're not hungry. MB So, you oppose my being fed because you don't see the significance of MB my getting fed. :( MB I feel sooo unloved and unwanted! :( :oops: running off to the kitchen! Help is on the way!! :) And I still want that darn Draft folder. Besides, when was the last time we had a 100% PRO for a request?? So many people, so many wishes, so many opinions. -- groeten, Cees __ The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34:12 AM, Vili wrote: You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. If each of us decided to fight against anything we didn't think we needed . . . It seems to me that the more constructive route is to support each other's needs whether it is something which we ourselves would use, when there is a logical coherent articulation of why some users would benefit and the program as a whole would become more coherent. If you can articulate a reason why you need an Hungarian folder, and what it needs to do which you can't do with the present configuration and how it would make TB! a better program I would support your advocacy of it. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:27:59 AM, Vili wrote: You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a flag. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Cees! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:58 AM, you wrote: You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. MB I'm hungry. MB You're not hungry. MB So, you oppose my being fed because you don't see the MB significance of my getting fed. :( MB I feel sooo unloved and unwanted! :( :oops: running off to the kitchen! Help is on the way!! :) I do hope the developers will start cooking for my needs very soon, also. :) And I still want that darn Draft folder. Besides, when was the last time we had a 100% PRO for a request?? So many people, so many wishes, so many opinions. Amen! Thanks a mil for your valuable input on both your posts addressed to me this morning, Cees. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... Think about it a bit more. The fact that you interpret things differently than Dwight, me and others, or that we can't really understand what the other one is saying, is one of the many arguments in favour of having a Drafts folder. There would be no misunderstanding if there was an Outbox and a Drafts folder. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 17:16 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'About TB folders' : Hoi MAU, THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... M Think about it a bit more. The fact that you interpret things M differently than Dwight, me and others, or that we can't really M understand what the other one is saying, is one of the many arguments in M favour of having a Drafts folder. There would be no misunderstanding if M there was an Outbox and a Drafts folder. alright Mau, and I wannit NOW! ;) -- groeten, Cees __ The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with account-log on the screen bottom (probably only POP3, not sure)
Hello Владимир 'insider' Прохоров everyone else, on 13-Dez-2005 at 21:19 you (Владимир 'insider' Прохоров) wrote: 3. while the mails are downloaded, the open account log is redrawn out of the screen! reproduced in last some dozens of builds... Thank you. I've filed the bug report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5449 and added some screenshots. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Our bombs are smarter than the average high school student. At least they can find Kuwait. -- A. Whitney Brown Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Cees, alright Mau, and I wannit NOW! ;) Drafts folders have been so well accepted by the general public that I have run out of stock, you'll have to wait a few days until I get some more from the factory ;-) Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:38 AM, you wrote: alright Mau, and I wannit NOW! ;) Drafts folders have been so well accepted by the general public that I have run out of stock, you'll have to wait a few days until I get some more from the factory ;-) Thanks, St. Nicholas. ;) Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet ;-) Cees put a supporting note there last night--I asked him for it on TBOT. It's under the name Arkanoid, as he informed me when I inquired. And I quote from the BT wish page https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 === (0015045) Arkanoid 12 Dec 2005 13:04 yeah, count me in! Really want it! === But it wouldn't hurt for him to put a second note, expanding on why he really wants it! :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi MAU, Wednesday, December 14, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. Rubbish. Now, there is one of my tigresses! ;-) With pleasure :) :purr: We all could benefit from a folder the kind you proposed -glad to have added a note. -- Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your support note at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Mary, Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet ;-) Cees put a supporting note there last night--I asked him for it on TBOT. And how in h...eaven you expect me to know that Cees is Arkanoid? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Charlene, Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your That's great!!! :)) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Dwight, If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a flag. How about a color group for pending messages, and a memo telling you when it should be sent? You could put it anywhere, even parked in the outbox. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.63.09 on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:53 AM, you wrote: Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet ;-) Cees put a supporting note there last night--I asked him for it on TBOT. And how in h...eaven you expect me to know that Cees is Arkanoid? That's what I wanted to say to him in regard to myself, when he told me that!! But, I thought better of saying it because he likes to tease me so much and I was too tired to deal with any banter about the weird nickname he's chosen for his BT account just at that moment. I told you about Arkanoid precisely because I did not expect you, in heaven or out of it grin , to know that Arkanoid is Cees. And get this!! On TBOT, Cees and Arkanoid are Rubeo!! :rofl2: How I do wish that you had time or inclination to peek in on TBOT from time to time, Miguel. :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Mary, How I do wish that you had time or inclination to peek in on TBOT from time to time, Miguel. :) I'll propose you a deal. You recruit eleventeen hundred and twenty seven new supporters for Drafts folder and I'll join TBOT. Deal? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:42 AM, you wrote: How I do wish that you had time or inclination to peek in on TBOT from time to time, Miguel. :) I'll propose you a deal. You recruit eleventeen hundred and twenty seven new supporters for Drafts folder and I'll join TBOT. Deal? Deal!! LOL I'm trying, I'm trying!! Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? :)) Simpler is always better... You are right but I think you are again confusing the terms Vili. That's precisely the point in proposing a Drafts folder. Having an Outbox and a Drafts folder is much _simpler_ to understand and use for everybody (and less prone to misunderstandings and mistakes) than just having an Outbox, where you mix messages to be sent (perhaps some Parked so they will be sent later) and drafts, and then having to add an euphemistically called Outbox Protection Feature, which I just call 'dirty trick', to avoid some of the possible problems of TB's 'peculiar' Outbox. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:54 AM, you wrote: I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? :)) Simpler is always better... You are right but I think you are again confusing the terms Vili. That's precisely the point in proposing a Drafts folder. Having an Outbox and a Drafts folder is much _simpler_ to understand and use for everybody (and less prone to misunderstandings and mistakes) than just having an Outbox, where you mix messages to be sent (perhaps some Parked so they will be sent later) and drafts, and then having to add an euphemistically called Outbox Protection Feature, which I just call 'dirty trick', to avoid some of the possible problems of TB's 'peculiar' Outbox. Said better than I could ever hope to explain it, MAU! In some real-world offices one has an Outbox and an Inbox on one's desk. In those offices, only things ready to exit are placed in the Outbox (unless the user makes a mistake, always possible in both the real and the virtual worlds). Messages still being worked on are kept in a separate container--perhaps simply in a stack on the desk itself, perhaps in a desk drawer for work-in-progress. That's why having a Draft folder *and* an Outbox folder are such a simple and intuitive way to set up The Bat! -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Unkillable bat with no keyboard shortcuts
Howdy Flying Rodent fans, Ok. I hope this isnt just me. Or there is another explanation other than my own stupidity. In .09 my keyboard shortcuts do not work. Not one of them. Then when I try to exit have to kill through task manager. Not a one off... put up with it last night... but it has stayed the same tonight. Have checked my keyboard, it works in other apps, so i can only conclude that it is the bat. Confirmations or suggestions as to options that i havent checked? -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM During the chariot scene in Ben Hur, a small red car can be seen in the distance (and Heston's wearing a watch). Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi MAU, Wednesday, December 14, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your That's great!!! :)) I claim no copyright on this altered tagline of yours, you may cp it anytime :) -- Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your support note at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:58:22 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a flag. How about a color group for pending messages, and a memo telling you when it should be sent? You could put it anywhere, even parked in the outbox. This does not address my question, which is a hypothetical, in the context of mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Tiny problem opening PDF attachments
Hello all, It's not a real problem, that's why I say it's tiny, but it' bothering me not being able to understand what's happening. I've always had Adobe Reader 6.0 and Adobe Acrobat 4.0 installed in my system and PDF files where always opened from everywhere with Acrobat. I believe this was because Acrobat had been installed after Reader and it had taken file associations. A few days ago I replaced Adobe Reader 6.0 with 7.0. I first uninstalled 6.0 and then installed 7.0 and, since then, PDF files are opened from everywhere (i.e. Explorer) with Adobe Reader 7.0, even when I use Acrobat Distiller and, after printing, the printed document is displayed. All fine up to here, I prefer to view PDFs with Reader 7.0 than with Acrobat 4.0 which is quite an old version. The 'tiny' problem shows up when I open a PDF attachment in TB, they always open with Acrobat 4.0. No real problem, I can view PDFs, but I just don't understand why this is happening. Does TB keep its own file type associations somewhere? I've searched the Registry and tbuser.def and couldn't find anything. Does anybody have any hint? As I have said, it's not a real problem but I'd like to understand what happening and, if possible, be able to view PDF attachments with Adobe Reader 7.0. TIA. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Charlene, I claim no copyright on this altered tagline of yours, you may cp it anytime :) I'll do for the second round if we don't win the first one ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Mary, In some real-world offices one has an Outbox and an Inbox on one's desk. Only in some? I'd say in most, if not all. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Unkillable bat with no keyboard shortcuts
Hello Ben, Ok. I hope this isnt just me. Or there is another explanation other than my own stupidity. In .09 my keyboard shortcuts do not work. Not one of them. Then when I try to exit have to kill through task manager. Not a one off... put up with it last night... but it has stayed the same tonight. Have checked my keyboard, it works in other apps, so i can only conclude that it is the bat. Confirmations or suggestions as to options that i havent checked? Quite strange, I don't have a clue. I see in your signature that you used 3.63.08 to send you post, do your shortcuts work with .08? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Ian! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 1:14 PM, you wrote: MB I am talking about the macro %NOUSEPGP . MB In my Account Properties I have the box Sign when completed checked MB under Message-Editor settings. MB When I reopen a message in the Outbox for editing--or just to re-read MB it before sending, the Privacy menu changes this to Sign when MB completed. I am not trying to squash the desire for a draft folder, but this issue you describe should be dealt with separately. The reason I say this is that if a Drafts folder is introduced because of the surge of those wanting it, chances are it will be cloned off the Outbox with the result that this behaviour will be present there as well. Now there will be two ways to have this happen. Let's fix what we have so that it works correctly first, then bring in something new. Okay. I understand your reasoning. I will write a BT note on this Outbox changes AB settings for OpenPGP issue. I can see the rush to a Drafts folder end up causing more problems than it will solve. I think the developers are in no rush. I think the desire of posters here and loggers of supporting notes to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 is not so much a desire to get in a rush about it as to make sure that the Wish is not forgotten. I'll come back with my new issue report URL shortly, with a hope that some people will want to write supporting notes for that, also. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi MAU, Wednesday, December 14, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : I'll do for the second round if we don't win the first one ;-) To my opinion they must react, it's us, the customers, who pay for their work. -- Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your support note at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Ian I am not trying to squash the desire for a draft folder, but this issue you describe should be dealt with separately. The reason I say this is that if a Drafts folder is introduced because of the surge of those wanting it, chances are it will be cloned off the Outbox with the result that this behaviour will be present there as well. VBG that's very good...it appeals to my cynical nature. Now there will be two ways to have this happen. Let's fix what we have so that it works correctly first, then bring in something new. Fix what we have. hmmm. I think I've heard that before somewhere. One can only hope ;) -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.63.06 (Beta) and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 at on Win2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Outbox bug that over-rides macros for OpenPGP in Address Book templates
Hello Everyone! Please support https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5453 It is about the long-standing bug in the Outbox behavior that causes it to over-ride Address Book template macros for OpenPGP and instead uses the setting in Account/Properties/Options/Message-editor. The bug happens like this: 1) Write a message using an Address Book template which contains, for example, %NOUSEPGP. 2) Have your setting in Account/Properties/Options/Message-editor be a checked box beside Sign when Completed (and also beside Enable OpenPGP). 3) Place the message you've written in the Outbox. 4) Close the Editor window. 5) Go to the Outbox and re-open the message. 6) Click on the Privacy drop-down menu. 7) You will see the box beside Sign when Completed checked--contrary to the %NOUSEPGP macro in the Address Book template which should be governing that message. 8) Result: Unless you manually uncheck the Privacy menu box for Sign when Completed, your message will go out signed when you intended to send it unsigned. And, vice-versa, if you reverse the settings I've outlined above for your test: the message will go out unsigned when you intended it to be signed. Any support will be appreciated for https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5453 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 1:37 PM, you wrote: In some real-world offices one has an Outbox and an Inbox on one's desk. Only in some? I'd say in most, if not all. Was hedging my bets, not having been in a real-world office in quite some time. Haven't had one of my own since 1951. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0005396) Move up, Move down, Move in, Move out are not working correctly when moving folders across accounts [-] (#0005295) Button Token editor in Account properties is allways enabled, even does nothing [-] (#0005228) When importing certificates in Base64 format, The Bat! didn't ignore trailing space characters. [-] (#0005179) Chars ??? in Signed message verification report [-] (#0005427) Invalid display of free space percentage in Backu/Restore dialog [-] (#0005207) Edit action, headers, network dialog and message finder might have wrong characters when using translations to Cyrillic alphabets. [-] Unnecessary confirmation on closing message editor [-] MailTicker didn't work in Voyager. [-] During the installation it din't ask for OTFE mode (beta issue). [-] Filters not worked on hardware OTFE [-] Empty row at the bottom of the header editor -- 9Val Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Tiny problem opening PDF attachments
MAU wrote on 15/12/2005 at 06:28:30 +1100 subject Tiny problem opening PDF attachments : The 'tiny' problem shows up when I open a PDF attachment in TB, they always open with Acrobat 4.0. No real problem, I can view PDFs, but I just don't understand why this is happening. I have almost the same problem here using Acrobat 6 and Reader 7 Does anybody have any hint? As I have said, it's not a real problem but I'd like to understand what happening and, if possible, be able to view PDF attachments with Adobe Reader 7.0. I have noticed, that if reader7 is already running, PDF's are opened in Reader. I think that it is an Acrobat/Reader bug, rather than an TB! bug. -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.63.06 (Beta) and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 21:51:49, 9Val wrote: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: --- The Bat! --- Invalid pointer operation. --- OK --- --- The Bat!: thebat.exe - Application Error --- The instruction at 0x004048f1 referenced memory at 0x. The memory could not be read. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program --- OK Cancel --- thebat.exe caused an Access Violation at location 004048f1 in module thebat.exe Reading from location . Registers: eax=01bb60a0 ebx= ecx= edx=0013e6dc esi= edi=0013e6dc eip=004048f1 esp=0013e5d0 ebp=0013e7e8 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na po nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs= efl=00010246 Call stack: 004048F1 thebat.exe:004048F1 0076D21B thebat.exe:0076D21B 0075E745 thebat.exe:0075E745 0075E531 thebat.exe:0075E531 0075FF45 thebat.exe:0075FF45 0077573A thebat.exe:0077573A 00772D2E thebat.exe:00772D2E 00494CD2 thebat.exe:00494CD2 7739C3B7 USER32.dll:7739C3B7 EnableMenuItem 7739C484 USER32.dll:7739C484 EnableMenuItem 7739CA68 USER32.dll:7739CA68 TranslateMessageEx 7739CE7A USER32.dll:7739CE7A MsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx 7C82EC9E ntdll.dll:7C82EC9E KiUserCallbackDispatcher 773AD01A USER32.dll:773AD01A SendMessageA 0076A554 thebat.exe:0076A554 0076A5BE thebat.exe:0076A5BE 00769F81 thebat.exe:00769F81 0076A656 thebat.exe:0076A656 0076A8ED thebat.exe:0076A8ED 00494CD2 thebat.exe:00494CD2 7739C3B7 USER32.dll:7739C3B7 EnableMenuItem 7739C484 USER32.dll:7739C484 EnableMenuItem 7739C73C USER32.dll:7739C73C GetWindowLongW 7739C778 USER32.dll:7739C778 DispatchMessageW 77392B9D USER32.dll:77392B9D CallMsgFilterW 7738F122 USER32.dll:7738F122 DefDlgProcW 773A1722 USER32.dll:773A1722 SoftModalMessageBox 773A1004 USER32.dll:773A1004 AppendMenuA 773B1A28 USER32.dll:773B1A28 MessageBoxTimeoutW 773D5E47 USER32.dll:773D5E47 MessageBoxTimeoutA 773BDD8B USER32.dll:773BDD8B MessageBoxExA 773BD923 USER32.dll:773BD923 MessageBoxA 00BFC717 thebat.exe:00BFC717 00BFC82F thebat.exe:00BFC82F 0060CDFC thebat.exe:0060CDFC 00BFC5FD thebat.exe:00BFC5FD 00BFC525 thebat.exe:00BFC525 00B83844 thebat.exe:00B83844 00B8440B thebat.exe:00B8440B 00C2FEA1 thebat.exe:00C2FEA1 77E523CD kernel32.dll:77E523CD IsProcessorFeaturePresent Are you planning to fix this at all? -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.62.12 on Windows 2003 5.2.3790.Service Pack 1] A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -- Vique's Law Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Unkillable bat with no keyboard shortcuts
Howdy MAU, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 7:39:43 PM, MAU wrotened: Ok. I hope this isnt just me. Or there is another explanation other than my own stupidity. In .09 my keyboard shortcuts do not work. Not one of them. Then when I try to exit have to kill through task manager. Not a one off... put up with it last night... but it has stayed the same tonight. Have checked my keyboard, it works in other apps, so i can only conclude that it is the bat. Confirmations or suggestions as to options that i havent checked? M Quite strange, I don't have a clue. I see in your signature that you M used 3.63.08 to send you post, do your shortcuts work with .08? Perfectly. Forgot to mention that I had moved back a beta. But not a one with .09. Strange... Its one of things that doesnt make sense. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM The Guinness Book of Records holds the record for being the book most often stolen from public libraries. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) Are you sure? 100%... I am using 3.62.14. As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see attached GIF from my Outbox and tell me which one is a Draft and which one is Keep. There is no such group that Keep. So, each of it is Draft. Wrong! There is one of each. Come on, take your _guess_! You have a 50% chance of _guessing_ it right ;-) MAU: you are just playing with the words... Parked messages in Outbox means: edit later; Non-parked means: can be sent... Is it that hard to remember -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Mary, You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same way. Just don't use it. :) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight against it. I'm hungry. You're not hungry. So, you oppose my being fed because you don't see the significance of my getting fed. :( I feel sooo unloved and unwanted! :( :)) Dont feel that way. I am protecting my view, that is all. Nothing personal. You are the same sweet Mary in my eyes :)), and the same calm, inventive MAU. This argument is just a conflict of views, that is all... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, There is no such group that Keep. So, each of it is Draft. Wrong! There is one of each. Come on, take your _guess_! You have a 50% chance of _guessing_ it right ;-) MAU: show me ANY reference in TB! for such a group as Keep... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, If you can articulate a reason why you need an Hungarian folder, and what it needs to do which you can't do with the present configuration and how it would make TB! a better program I would support your advocacy of it. What is that you cannot do NOW without the Drafts folder? -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello Dwight, You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a flag. Why the heck you want to delay a message? Or, if this is the case, use the red flag to mark it... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hi 9Val, Wednesday, December 14, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of bugs: [+] filtering broken: Jernej Simoncic's message wasn't filtered to the correct folder but remained unprocessed in my main inbox. [+] manually forced refiltering of my inbox caused AV. [+] After confirming the AV TB didn't react anymore. Must be shot down by TaskManager. [+] After restarting TB I got cascading AVs, again TB had to be aborted via three-fingers-salut. Back to .08 an refiltering worked, no AVs, pure bliss. I'll skip the new beta. -- Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your support note at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hallo 9Val, On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:51:49 +0200GMT (14-12-2005, 21:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Well, it's running over here. The previous version didn't. -- Groetjes, Roelof Taglines: bumper stickers for computer nerds. The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpRNB1D0t6Gu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, You have a flag to distinguish between them... please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one flag to mark both THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag. Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag... Think about it a bit more. The fact that you interpret things differently than Dwight, me and others, or that we can't really understand what the other one is saying, is one of the many arguments in favour of having a Drafts folder. There would be no misunderstanding if there was an Outbox and a Drafts folder. I dont see any misunderstanding... All I see is wish for an other fancy feature in TB!... MAU, I am ready to support it in the moment when you show me a USEFUL feature of the Draft folder. All I see is only eye-candy kind of features of the Draft folder... -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
9Val, Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Up and running well here. Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0005396) Move up, Move down, Move in, Move out are not working correctly when moving folders across accounts Partially confirmed. Using these functions no longer corrupts the folder preference files under IMAP. However, as far as I can tell, they also do not actually move folders up or down. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Hello MAU, I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied to me by the developers? :)) Simpler is always better... You are right but I think you are again confusing the terms Vili. That's precisely the point in proposing a Drafts folder. Having an Outbox and a Drafts folder is much _simpler_ to understand and use for everybody (and less prone to misunderstandings and mistakes) than just having an Outbox, where you mix messages to be sent (perhaps some Parked so they will be sent later) and drafts, and then having to add an euphemistically called Outbox Protection Feature, I dont consider this OPF when I am arguing it. It is a dead end, so my starting point is how the Outbox works in 3.62.14. -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hallo Jernej, On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:02:21 +0100GMT (14-12-2005, 22:02 +0100, where I live), you wrote: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: JS Invalid pointer operation. JS Are you planning to fix this at all? They did for me. I couldn't run the previous either, but this one works. What's the difference between your and my config? (see sig) -- Groetjes, Roelof The Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed. The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpc3CmrmRetc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hello 9Val! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 2:51 PM, you wrote: [-] (#0005207) Edit action, headers, network dialog and message finder might have wrong characters when using translations to Cyrillic alphabets. There are still a number of things wrong with how the headers and the header editor are functioning. I will make individual BT issue reports on each of them as I encounter them, since the behavior of the headers in .09 was one reason that I dropped back to .08 after testing .09 for awhile. [-] Unnecessary confirmation on closing message editor Confirm fixed. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Please support the fixing of the Outbox's breaking OpenPGP macros in Address Book Templates at: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5453 Mary The Bat 3.63.11 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 1:42:43 PM, Mary Bull wrote: I can see the rush to a Drafts folder end up causing more problems than it will solve. I think the developers are in no rush. I think the desire of posters here and loggers of supporting notes to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 is not so much a desire to get in a rush about it as to make sure that the Wish is not forgotten. Also, the desire of posters here is that if they are going to be making changes in operation of the outbox, then that is the time to address the long time desire, requests, and need for the drafts folder, rather than what at this point appears to be a slap-dash implementation of a not very thought out change to satisfy some/one corporate client. I'll come back with my new issue report URL shortly, with a hope that some people will want to write supporting notes for that, also. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :manx-flag: Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Tiny problem opening PDF attachments
Hello MAU, The 'tiny' problem shows up when I open a PDF attachment in TB, they always open with Acrobat 4.0. No real problem, I can view PDFs, but I just don't understand why this is happening. Maybe TB! call the show association of the extension? I mean like instead of calling open %1 where %1 is the name of the file, TB! calls show %1 ? (Or edit %1?) Every extension can have different software associated for its opening, editing, showing Windows Explorer, Tools, Folder Options, File types, select PDF and click on the Advanced... button, select the Open, or Show and press button Edit... Cheers, -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Outbox bug that over-rides macros for OpenPGP in Address Book templates
Hallo Mary, On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:17:25 -0600GMT (14-12-2005, 21:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MB It is about the long-standing bug in the Outbox behavior that causes MB it to over-ride Address Book template macros for OpenPGP and instead MB uses the setting in Account/Properties/Options/Message-editor. That's no bug. That's because macros are only executed when you start to edit the message body. When you edit the text and afterwards you alter the To: header you're not complaining that the macro driven salutation isn't adapted? Same as when you use the %Attachments macro, it's only used when you start to edit the text, when you add an attachment later, then your text is adapted. This is the same only more so. To alter this behaviour you should need macros that are executed at sending, at saving, etc. The %NoUsePGP macro sets an editor property, but as soon as you close that editor your properties get lost and on opening a new editor the account settings are used. Basically what you ask for is a complete new macro engine. That's no bugfix, but a new feature. Mind you, I don't mind such a new feature, after all I run into this myself every once in a while, but add it to the wishlist and not as a bug, because that means that you don't understand TB's macro system. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is dangerous to confuse children with angels. The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpfpYwNCH9HS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 22:19:18, Roelof Otten wrote: They did for me. I couldn't run the previous either, but this one works. What's the difference between your and my config? (see sig) A lot - 8 POP3 accounts (7 active), 2 IMAP accounts, no OTFE. -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.62.12 on Windows 2003 5.2.3790.Service Pack 1] I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. -- Greenhaus's Summation Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Greetings BatPeople, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 4:16:49 PM, Charlene wrote: C [+] manually forced refiltering of my inbox caused AV. Tested the re-filter of inbox and it got as far as reading first message before freezing. Had to 3-finger to abort. (I waited up to 5 minutes before aborting.) -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Dwight! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 3:35 PM, you wrote: I can see the rush to a Drafts folder end up causing more problems than it will solve. I think the developers are in no rush. I think the desire of posters here and loggers of supporting notes to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 is not so much a desire to get in a rush about it as to make sure that the Wish is not forgotten. Also, the desire of posters here is that if they are going to be making changes in operation of the outbox, then that is the time to address the long time desire, requests, and need for the drafts folder, rather than what at this point appears to be a slap-dash implementation of a not very thought out change to satisfy some/one corporate client. Indeed. Thanks for this very necessary addition to my thoughts as I wrote them to Ian. I'll come back with my new issue report URL shortly, with a hope that some people will want to write supporting notes for that, also. Please support the fixing of the Outbox's breaking OpenPGP macros in Address Book Templates at: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5453 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.11 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.63.12 (Beta) is now available
Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.12 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb36312.rar The only change is problem with filters. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.12 (Beta) is now available
Hello 9Val, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:03:43 PM, you wrote: Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.12 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb36312.rar The only change is problem with filters. What about the problems with SMIME? Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ Strange things happen under the midnight sun when Men and Dogs go hunting for gold To get my public GPG key send me an email with the Subject of GET GPG KEY Listening To: Top Gear - Track 08 [stopped] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hello 9Val, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 8:51:49 PM, you wrote: Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0005396) Move up, Move down, Move in, Move out are not working correctly when moving folders across accounts [-] (#0005295) Button Token editor in Account properties is allways enabled, even does nothing [-] (#0005228) When importing certificates in Base64 format, The Bat! didn't ignore trailing space characters. [-] (#0005179) Chars ??? in Signed message verification report [-] (#0005427) Invalid display of free space percentage in Backu/Restore dialog [-] (#0005207) Edit action, headers, network dialog and message finder might have wrong characters when using translations to Cyrillic alphabets. [-] Unnecessary confirmation on closing message editor [-] MailTicker didn't work in Voyager. [-] During the installation it din't ask for OTFE mode (beta issue). [-] Filters not worked on hardware OTFE [-] Empty row at the bottom of the header editor Using SMIME get an error about an invalid cert. works ok with the last version I used Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ Strange things happen under the midnight sun when Men and Dogs go hunting for gold To get my public GPG key send me an email with the Subject of GET GPG KEY Listening To: (Winamp is not active ;-) pgpLeoystq8Qo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hallo Jernej, On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:29:49 +0100GMT (14-12-2005, 22:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: What's the difference between your and my config? (see sig) JS A lot Yep, about everything, I see. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Hey, I'm not paranoid! Which of my enemies told you this? The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpslmQwA3JHy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Jernej, On 14-12-2005 22:29, you [JS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: They did for me. I couldn't run the previous either, but this one works. What's the difference between your and my config? (see sig) JS A lot - 8 POP3 accounts (7 active), 2 IMAP accounts, no OTFE. Similar to my setup. I will try it tomorrow at work but I don't suppose this one will work for me either. Ritlabs - how about fixing this? This is the 3. version in a row that crashes for Jernej and me! -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.12 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Putting cursor in the right place when using reply template
In the last version, I reported that the cursor was ending up in the TO: pane, not after the quote as it should per my template and earlier behavior. I have now observed further that when a reply is created, in the current beta, that for an instant when the reply is drawn, it appears where it should, then ends up in the TO: pane instead. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :manx-flag: Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, at 22:19:18 [UTC+0100] (Wednesday, December 14, 2005 22:19 my local time) Roelof Otten wrote: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: JS Invalid pointer operation. JS Are you planning to fix this at all? They did for me. I couldn't run the previous either, but this one works. I can confirm, this one started and run smoothly as opposite to .09, it automatically filters received messages for several accounts too. I will test it if some specific bugs are fixed: - Scheduled mail sending using AB list (http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3157) - Creating a formatted message filter action (http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5302) - Using of message Memo as filter condition (http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5373) -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.63.11 (Beta) in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hello 9Val, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 3:51:49 PM, you wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ The program loaded and received mail with no problems (using POP3). However, when sending mail, the program hangs. I'm using Norton Anti-virus and the program hangs when working with the outgoing mail feature. If I turn it (Norton) off, things appear to be fine. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815 Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6L 3B7 Phone 905-825-9938 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website at http://www.thedesk.ca Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Outbox bug that over-rides macros for OpenPGP in Address Book templates
Hello Roelof! On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 3:29 PM, you wrote: Basically what you ask for is a complete new macro engine. That's no bugfix, but a new feature. Mind you, I don't mind such a new feature, after all I run into this myself every once in a while, but add it to the wishlist and not as a bug, because that means that you don't understand TB's macro system. Thanks, Roelof. Well, I have been writing about this for two days, ever since it became evident that the Outbox code was getting attention from the developers. And this is the first that anyone, including Maxim, has tried to explain this aspect to me. In my logical, commonsense amateur view, the Outbox should respect the address in the To Field and Address Book templates should prevail over Account templates. So, whether it's a failure in design or a bug in the design workings, it is something I deal with--not every once in a while, as you do--but every day. It is not a new feature that I'm asking for. It is for the MicroEd to work when called from the Outbox the same as it does when called from Write a message to this address or when called from a Reply button or Reply shortcut key. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.11 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Greetings BatPeople, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 4:40:29 PM, Charlene wrote: C Hi Wolffe, C Wednesday, December 14, 2005 C you let us know -at least in parts- : Tested the re-filter of inbox and it got as far as reading first message before freezing. Had to 3-finger to abort. (I waited up to 5 minutes before aborting.) C And the filtering worked on your system? Mine was completely broken. C Yesterday I ran a folder maintenance with all 4 options checked and no C damaged structures were found, so it is not my folder configuration. C Retried it with .08, which worked fine for me. Yes, filtering on download (pop) works. Trying to re-filter, however, freezes the pane ... and thus the rest of TB. Since there is no separate process for refilter one has to kill the whole bat. -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available
Hi Wolffe, Wednesday, December 14, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Tested the re-filter of inbox and it got as far as reading first message before freezing. Had to 3-finger to abort. (I waited up to 5 minutes before aborting.) And the filtering worked on your system? Mine was completely broken. Yesterday I ran a folder maintenance with all 4 options checked and no damaged structures were found, so it is not my folder configuration. Retried it with .08, which worked fine for me. -- Help to protect us from the outbox protection and add your support note at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
