Lots of conditions in filter
Hello The Bat! BetaList, Found a small problem, If I go into the Sorting Office and create a new incoming filter, and add as many conditions so that I get a scroll-bar at the right. Now start filling in and changing the different fields. The fields will at first only jump around so that you have to scroll to find them, but if you fill all the conditions with text and then go and change the type or function of the condition at the bottom the editor will hang and everything will jump around for a bit. Is this a known problem? I've not created long filters before. -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.99.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP problem, Could not connect...
Vili, On 15-05-2007 03:27, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it a Bat bug? I have not experienced this. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.99.3 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lots of conditions in filter
Hello Fredrik, Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 8:28:24 AM, you wrote: FB Is this a known problem? I've not created long filters before. I still have a long filter dating from the time before editing such filters became problematic. I try to alter it as little as possible, since it takes a loong time. Haven't seen any kind of jumping though... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.1 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 1:32:47) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Paul Van Noord wrote: Also, using an external hard drive is 2-3 times safer regarding lost data during a power failure simply because of performance. and because of the filesystem too. still nobody mentioned that. and because of the compressed attribute if on NTFS: it first writes as-is, then reads and tries to compress. and writes again, if compression gained anything. and the more asymmetrical the device (in terms of read/write speed ratio), the more noticeable the latter. -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large font usage problems
Hello Vitalie, Monday, May 14, 2007, 23:40:58, you wrote: as a future improvement, please consider configurations with two or more monitors. it would be very handy to have them on ALL monitors. How can I use more than two monitors in Windows Vista? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large font usage problems
Maxim Masiutin wrote: as a future improvement, please consider configurations with two or more monitors. it would be very handy to have them on ALL monitors. How can I use more than two monitors in Windows Vista? it doesn't matter from the development of application software point of view. displays have their IDs which can be enumerated. windows can specify the ID of the display to show up on. and it's your job as a developer to figure out the exact required APIs, not mine. also please note that this mailing list is not Microsoft User Support, nor the User Support of your hardware vendor and/or its drivers/software. - - - after all, the joke was targeted at AVs that developers don't see. if buzzing them largefonted on all monitors won't help, my next suggestion would be something like a computer-controlled electrocutioning device. i really hope that won't be needed. -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Hello Vili, Monday, May 14, 2007, 4:28:21 PM, you wrote: utility to benchmark the hard drive vs the memory stick. I use it to measure my memory stick's performance, which translates immediately into increased performance in The Bat! I dont understand, how _measuring_ translates into increased performance (maybe my English). You meant _optimize_ instead of _measure_? Sorry, I skipped a step. I have a number of USB memory sticks. Some seemed slow, and others were faster. When I found the tool to measure performance, I could identify the one that had the best performance and I switched Voyager to that for a definite performance increase. Even though my lists settings say to receive a copy of my own messages, they don't appear in the thread. At least I know they are going out, though. -- Best regards, Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Doug Higby wrote: Even though my lists settings say to receive a copy of my own messages, they don't appear in the thread. same for me, by the way. -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Hi Vitalie and fellow beta testers, Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 7:39:28 AM, you wrote: Even though my lists settings say to receive a copy of my own messages, they don't appear in the thread. vv same for me, by the way. Both you and Doug are using a Gmail account for your subscription to the list, and that explains the dilemma. That's why I use my Comcast account for this list rather than my customary Gmail account. See this link: http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_frm/thread/74c06b57fa724c1b/9e8f7157bc0969c2?lnk=gstq=mailing+listrnum=4#9e8f7157bc0969c2 or if you prefer here's a TinyURL with a preview of where you are going http://preview.tinyurl.com/2zlkq5 -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.99.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Perry Nelson wrote: vv same for me, by the way. Both you and Doug are using a Gmail account for your subscription to the list, and that explains the dilemma. That's why I use my Comcast account for this list rather than my customary Gmail account. argh. it's that dupekilling feature of gmail. thanks for pointing out. it was there some time ago, then it was not, and now on again. apparently, sending via non-gmail smtp would help, although it'll most likely not, due to SPF. okay. going to resubscribe from another account... -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lots of conditions in filter
Hello Mark, On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:55:52 +0200 GMT (15/05/2007, 14:55 +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: MP Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 8:28:24 AM, Fredrik wrote: FB Is this a known problem? Yes, it is. The New Filtering System (NFS), which is not so new anymore, uses Windows handles in abundance, which is the problem. There is no BT entry, because Ritlabs says it works as designed. The workaround is to use only one filter condition header contains any of, followed by the different headers, instead of many header contains conditions. Another workaround (not so elegant, but faster) is to create a new filter when you want to add conditions. MP I still have a long filter dating from the time before editing MP such filters became problematic. MP I try to alter it as little as possible, since it takes a MP loong time. Haven't seen any kind of jumping though... The long time is caused by the jumping, if you look closely. Or have enough conditions. Try creating a filter with 100 conditions, it makes the problem very obvious. I have started converting my filters to contains any of, which is a tedious work, because you have to wait seconds to minutes for every single conversion (by this I don't mean the filter but the conditions). -- Cheers, Thomas. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Both you and Doug are using a Gmail account for your subscription to the list, and that explains the dilemma. That's why I use my Comcast account for this list rather than my customary Gmail account. argh. it's that dupekilling feature of gmail. thanks for pointing out. it was there some time ago, then it was not, and now on again. For me, it was always on... So, I made an outgoing filter that copies the mails that I send into the Inbox. I dont use threading, but now I checked and it seems threading too. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
In my experience, every USB memory stick is different. The one I am using now reads and writes at 16MBits per second, and my previous one was only 8. There is a free utility on the web to test your speed, but it is on my office computer and I forget what it is called. What is the name of that utility? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large font usage problems
after all, the joke was targeted at AVs that developers don't see. if buzzing them largefonted on all monitors won't help, my next suggestion would be something like a computer-controlled electrocutioning device. i really hope that won't be needed. Ok, now I get it. Turn down your coffee input or cut back on the sugar :))) You are hyperactive for a while now :)) -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Hallo vitalie, On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:39:28 +0300GMT (15-5-2007, 13:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Even though my lists settings say to receive a copy of my own messages, they don't appear in the thread. VV same for me, by the way. That's gmail for you. The reason you don't see them back at your end is gmail. Gmail doesn't put messages that you sent (and that come back via a mailing) available for download with pop3. A remedy would be to use a second account (at gmail's or somewhere else) to receive the mail. The account you use to post messages to the list can be set as 'no mail' at the list server. But that's just a workaround for gmail's peculiarities. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, VISA. (I came, I saw, I went shopping) http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpq1ZpISYLrz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP with TLS
Is there anybody using IMAP with TLS on the 993 port? There is this IMAP server: www.citymarket.hu With telnet, I see that the 993 port is open, Thunderbird, OE can connect to it with SSL. TB says: 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 0, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 10 Apr 2004 to 10 Apr 2005, for 1 host(s): citymarket. 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Owner: University of Washington IMAP daemon, citymarket, citymarket, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Could not connect to the server What should I do to be able to connect to the server? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP with TLS
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 02:51:36PM -0400 or thereabouts, Vili wrote: Is there anybody using IMAP with TLS on the 993 port? I only use SSL with IMAP, port 993. There is this IMAP server: www.citymarket.hu With telnet, I see that the 993 port is open, Thunderbird, OE can connect to it with SSL. TB says: 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 0, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 10 Apr 2004 to 10 Apr 2005, for 1 host(s): citymarket. 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Owner: University of Washington IMAP daemon, citymarket, citymarket, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Could not connect to the server What should I do to be able to connect to the server? because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and configure it manually, then open up that first, then use TB! for that server. You see the good people at Ritlabs will not allow you to trust yourself to make a judgment whether you are smart enough to accept certs that have expired on IMAP servers. -- Gary Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP with TLS
Hello Vili, Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 9:51:36 PM, you wrote: Is there anybody using IMAP with TLS on the 993 port? Yes, works fine here. There is this IMAP server: www.citymarket.hu With telnet, I see that the 993 port is open, Thunderbird, OE can connect to it with SSL. TB says: 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 0, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 10 Apr 2004 to 10 Apr 2005, for 1 host(s): citymarket. 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Owner: University of Washington IMAP daemon, citymarket, citymarket, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). !2007.05.15, 14:50:09: IMAP - Could not connect to the server What should I do to be able to connect to the server? Certificate on the IMAP server has expired. You should contact server admin. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP with TLS
Hello Gary, Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 12:34:55 AM, you wrote: because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and configure it manually, then open up that first, then use TB! for that server. You see the good people at Ritlabs will not allow you to trust yourself to make a judgment whether you are smart enough to accept certs that have expired on IMAP servers. Actually this is very good decision. Many users just don't read what's written on every popup. They press YES YES YES. And why on earth people use a certificate if it is expired? (or self signed)? It can be very easily compromised and by accepting such certificate you NEVER know if it comes from your server of from 3rd person in between. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP with TLS
Hi Vilius, On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:47:05 +0300 UTC (5/15/2007, 4:47 PM -0500 UTC my time), Vilius Šumskas wrote: because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and configure it manually, then open up that first, then use TB! for that server. You see the good people at Ritlabs will not allow you to trust yourself to make a judgment whether you are smart enough to accept certs that have expired on IMAP servers. V Actually this is very good decision. Many users just don't read what's V written on every popup. They press YES YES YES. so ? If they have an IMAP account, they should not have to press YES after the first go-around to accept the cert permanently. We are not talking about every popup. It is standard procedure when first using an IMAPS account, to ask one time, whether you wish to accept a cert, and if so, permanently, no big deal. Standard procedure if you use SSL and IMAP. V And why on earth people use a certificate if it is expired? (or self V signed)? I have been using one on a remote server, (along with my other customers) for years, after it expired. It originally had a life of 3 years. Why should I replace it? Does it not still encrypt the connection? V It can be very easily compromised and by accepting such certificate you V NEVER know if it comes from your server of from 3rd person in between. You have fallen under the misconception of the compromised server syndrome :) There is nothing to be compromised whether you use an expired cert or not. See below please for the real understanding. 1. Your mail client has to find the server using DNS published records which points to the IMAP server. Hardly room for any man-in-the- middle attacks, since it is extremely difficult to poison DNS servers, let alone to find the DNS server that you would be using. 2. Here is where your above statement is flawed. In order to log in your server, you have to AUTHENTICATE you must provide a password or in combo with CRAM-MD5 or some such, although it could be plain. Most importantly 3. IMAP certs do *nothing* except to encrypt the connection from the client to the server. It has nothing to do with authentication, nothing to do with compromising a server. We are not talking about e-commerce here, where you send your credit card over the wire. We are talking about encrypting a connection to/from an IMAP server. You still have to authenticate, if the server is worth anything, and not a public server, in which case just use port 143 without SSL. It is the authentication that is important. 4. Every other email client allows the user to choose whether he wishes to accept a cert, any cert for IMAP. I'm a grown up guy, and I can make my own decisions if I want to accept a cert or not. Jumping through hoops to get to an IMAP server, after you used Stunnel a few 1000 times, is just a pain - unnecessary I might add. It is just easier to use another client. -- Gary Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large font usage problems
Vili wrote: Ok, now I get it. Turn down your coffee input or cut back on the sugar :))) You are hyperactive for a while now :)) yikes. didn't intend to outperform ya, Vil'. -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP with TLS
Gary wrote: decisions if I want to accept a cert or not. Jumping through hoops to get to an IMAP server, after you used Stunnel a few 1000 times, is just a pain - unnecessary I might add. It is just easier to use another client. ...or another server. after all, will you trust servers with expired certificates (read: unmaintained ones)? -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
