Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Tuesday night, Marek wrote something like this: Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. Please go to this Forum http://thebat.pl/forum/index.php and search for all IMAP related topics. Then go to this Forum http://www.batboard.net/ and look how many topics is about IMAP problems. Got to this forum http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/ and also search for IMAP topics. You can compare this results with POP related topics. You think that all IMAP related discussions on tbbeta are only minority reports or just only this people that read this discussion list? BTW if RIT want more new customers then should also work on RTL support. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lack of Clear Communication (was: Again IMAP Support)
[Reply to: »Marck D Pearlstone« · 2009-06-09 · 01:08 h (CET)] Moin, Marck! pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. And a beta tester. So I have no right to get information in time? You cannot be serious! It is just ridiculous! Okay - let me interject in this thread to try to dismantle the tower of babel that seems to be looming above us. Yep, thanks! :-) I think Marek means We are not *the* only customers (that RITlabs has). That is a completely *different* meaning. Thanks for clarification. This is a truth. Here on TBBETA we represent a tiny minority of the RITlabs customer base and I would suggest that we are hardly a typical set of users. Nobody is saying that you don't make a valid point, only that you haven't considered all the factors at play. Okay, maybe until now the subject line has been a little misleading: 1. All I want to say is, that I want clear statements from *RITLabs* which we can rely on, e.g. like a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first'. 2. And again I do *not* care so much about rework on IMAP just because I only sometimes have little problems (aka pet peeves) with IMAP, but no real showstoppers. But obviously there are a lot of people, who have *serious* problems with IMAP support. And I think that these people have the right to get a statement like the one mentioned above. I hope that now my intention is clear and we can close this thread. :-) Cheers! VA P.S.: Maybe the RITguys read this thread, too … - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat 4.2.4 Final: Crashes with on-the.fly encryption
Hello, If TheBat 4.2.4 Pro is started (fresh installation with no accounts) and on-the-fly encryption is activated, TheBat crashes after entering the masterpassword twice. Can you confirm this? If yes, please confirm in bugtracker at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7620, too. -- Kind regards GwenDragon Webmistress Using The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Website: http://www.gwendragon.de/ E-Mail: g...@gwendragon.de == PGP == E-Mail mit GnuPG signiert/Signed with GnuPG GnuPG-Signatur DSA/1024 Key-ID: 0x6E56AC7D4492AD16 / 0x4492AD16 Fingerprint: 0BC8 DDF7 E381 190B AF7D A327 6E56 AC7D 4492 AD16 == PGP == pgp0ohyYwZL6M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Icon and Windows 7
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:47:08, Scott Sims wrote: The Bat! v4.2 still does not have a proper moving icon for Windows 7. I can't confirm, but I'm not using the Aero theme, which may be the reason for the difference. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7100. ] Nothing will be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome. -- Golden Principle Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Icon and Windows 7
Hello Scott, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:47:08 AM, you wrote: SS The Bat! v4.2 still does not have a proper moving icon for SS Windows 7. I thought I had read a reply from one of the RitLabs guys that it probably would not be possible to implement this in Windows 7?? SS It is becoming frustrating as I have to manually check if I have new mail. You might consider to use the mailticker if clicking on the tray-icon is getting too tiresome :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.1.1 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 3:51:58) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes or running off the last of those hopeful something will sometime actually be done. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 1) Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dwight, On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes or running off the last of those hopeful something will sometime actually be done. Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Icon and Windows 7
Hello, Hello. The Bat! v4.2 still does not have a proper moving icon for Windows 7. It is becoming frustrating as I have to manually check if I have new mail. Screenshot attached. (You can see The Bat's icon is not moving, even though there was new mail in my Inbox.) Windows 7 is very close to release, so I hope icon animation is looked at really soon. Scott, as I understand you expect taskbar icon to be animated. I am not sure if it is good idea. I haven't seen other icon except explorer (progress bar during copying) animated. For me animation of trayicon is enough. And in my case it is working as on older systems. I am on original Win7 RC 7100 from technet with TB! Prof 4.2.1.1 previously and 4.2.4 now . And see new mail arriving via animation of tray icon. Screenshot attached. -- Kind Regards Marek Szymanskiattachment: Przechwytywanie.PNG Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat 4.2.4 Final: Crashes with on-the.fly encryption
Hallo GwenDragon, On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:04:00 +0200GMT (9-6-2009, 11:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: G If TheBat 4.2.4 Pro is started (fresh installation with no accounts) G and on-the-fly encryption is activated, TheBat crashes after entering G the masterpassword twice. Confirmed! G Can you confirm this? G If yes, please confirm in bugtracker at G https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7620, too. Done! -- Groetjes, Roelof Function call to load Windows: here_piggy_piggy_piggy_piggy http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpLb6Pwva3ci.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:34:26 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so predictable. Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, because they were, suddenly without warning, reduced to unregistered status. V. 4.1, in hindsight, also needed important bugfixes, which led to: Release 4.2, which has above mentioned important bugfixes, but also, amongst other symptoms, Postponed Sending, messed-up Tips- Of-The-Day and broken OTFE. This is specifically funny for seasoned TB! users, because they know these cock-ups are not merely incidental accidents, but an integral and important part of Ritlabs' software release history. For example, almost 5 years ago I tried to install an early 3.x release version which had some inferior Bayesian plug-in (Bayes-It!) integrated. The result of those attempts: Access Violations all over the place and a plug-in that resisted uninstallment at all cost. This is just a single example. Soon after this disaster I gave up on TB! and since then I only use it for archiving purposes. Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Arjan, Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. One thing that could be done is that the rest of us could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:16:34 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: One thing that could be done is that the rest of us Us is a rapidly shrinking minority on these lists. could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. Suit yourself. Messages like this merely add to my amusement. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) -- Rick You and reality should get together and patch up your differences v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the Stanley Cup game, myself. But the end of this thread should be a communication from TB! -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the Stanley Cup game, myself. But the end of this thread should be a communication from TB! They are invited to the party too! :)) I'm putting up some balloons and streamers :) -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
