Re: 9.3.3.6 - in new HTML ed. font size indicator changes with text style
Hello mse, Hello Stefan, m> in the new HTML editor, the font size indicator changes the value when a string in mail text is formatted as bold, italic, underline or strikeout. This no longer appears in v9.3.4.7. Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) Pro on Windows 10 (Build 19042) (64-bit) without OTFE 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
7.3.4.7 - SETEDITOR="x" in quick templates with new HTML Editor should be adjusted
Hello Stefan, following up on this issue: m> The macros SETEDITOR="1" and SETEDITOR="4" both call Plain Text (MicroEd). m> The macro SETEDITOR="2" calls the new HTML-Editor, however the status bar shows the string "Generic". The resulting mail has a HTML and text part. m> The macro SETEDITOR="3" calls the new HTML-Editor, however the status bar shows the string "Generic". The resulting mail has a HTML part only m> m> For x=2 HTML only should be called, for x=3 HTML + Plain Text in accordance with the numbering in the short cuts (Ctrl + 1,2,3). At the moment it is the other way round. In v9.3.4.7 The macros SETEDITOR="1" and SETEDITOR="2" both call Plain Text Editor and the resulting mails are plain text. The macros SETEDITOR="3" and SETEDITOR="4" both call an editor that says Plain Text in the status bar, however, the resulting mails are in HTML-Text-multipart-format. Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) Pro on Windows 10 (Build 19042) (64-bit) without OTFE 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan,
S>>> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text
S>>> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required.
>> Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too?
>> And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually?
ST> Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? If
presence of formatting toolbars makes you worry, this can be optional, but what
can be harmful in automatic changing format?
* What's bothering me with the current situation, is that there are duplicate
icons on the tool bar. Some of which don't even work.
* If the user wants to stay with plain text, he does not know right now, which
buttons to avoid. Some change the format to HTML, some don't.
* Moreover the formatting option that invoked the switch to HTML is not applied
right away; at the moment the user has to press the Bold-button twice: the
first performs the switch to HTML, the second makes the font bold.
* I'm not quite sure: In the past, was inserting a symbol only possible in HTML
editor? Now it performs a switch.
* Also formatting options that were possible in Microed in 9.3.4.2 now perform
an editor switch (Upper Case, lower case, invert case and Capitalize) without
actually applying the selected option afterwards.
Even with the issues mentioned above getting fixed in upcoming releases I have
mixed feeling towards it. For people that mostly write HTML-Mails this feature
has no advantage. People that mostly write text mails might probably be annoyed
by it.
How about a dialogue before an automatic switch to HTML ("This feature
requires changing the mail format to HTML. Do you want to switch to the HTML
Editor?") Maybe with a checkbox "Do not ask me again".
Best regards,
mse
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Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, On Thu, 6 May 2021 11:41:17 +0300 GMT (06-May-21, 15:41 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: >> Kindly advise whether this uses the new HTML editor. > Yes, it does - we continue working on implementation of the new HTML editor, > this is why this version is still called "Alpha" >> If so, have the issues I posted here been addressed, especially the jumping >> cursor? If not, I'll skip this one. > Some problems were addressed, not the "jumpinmg cursor" one, though - please > wait for the next Alpha, as we've found a way to fix it just today. Great, thanks. Looking forward to it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.3.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Stefan, Is the below how you want automatic HTML to work? It looks like tb decided my reply should have some html characteristics even though I was replying to a text message. Daniel, Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) Sounds like the old "I hate HTML" argument. HTML really, really isn't going to go away, no matter how you discourage it. There are only a few decent clients still around that don't do html, Sylpheed for one the last time I looked. How long do you suppose they can hold out that way? but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) I remember some years ago, getting a reply to my first in line U message saying, "Thanks, now I can go home and go to bed." He didn't want to do that until he was sure the new beta would fly. Subsequent bug reports could be handled in the morning. How many U's you get being a percentage thing. Desired is minimal, I went back to the previous version, and maximal, ok here. Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Daniel, Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) Sounds like the old "I hate HTML" argument. HTML really, really isn't going to go away, no matter how you discourage it. There are only a few decent clients still around that don't do html, Sylpheed for one the last time I looked. How long do you suppose they can hold out that way? but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) I remember some years ago, getting a reply to my first in line U message saying, "Thanks, now I can go home and go to bed." He didn't want to do that until he was sure the new beta would fly. Subsequent bug reports could be handled in the morning. How many U's you get being a percentage thing. Desired is minimal, I went back to the previous version, and maximal, ok here. Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
S> Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) S> but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. >> While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful >> purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if >> we stop sending them. S> Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Daniel, Thursday, May 6, 2021, 2:03:49 PM, you wrote: S>> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text S>> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. > Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too? > And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually? Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? If presence of formatting toolbars makes you worry, this can be optional, but what can be harmful in automatic changing format? > When I drag and drop an image onto the editor, I may just want to add it as > an attachment rather than include it in the body. A picture file dropped onto plain text message won't change format, but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. > While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose > for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop > sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) -- Best regards, Stefan 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hi Stefan, S> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text S> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too? And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually? When I drag and drop an image onto the editor, I may just want to add it as an attachment rather than include it in the body. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Best, -Daan- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, On Thu, 6 May 2021, at 11:42:59 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:42 where I live) Stefan wrote: >> Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the >> formatting bars anymore. > That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text > automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. Ah, nice. A good idea! -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 19042 ) pgpIc0Ldui3pP.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Gwen, > Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the > formatting bars anymore. That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Thomas, > Kindly advise whether this uses the new HTML editor. Yes, it does - we continue working on implementation of the new HTML editor, this is why this version is still called "Alpha" > If so, have the issues I posted here been addressed, especially the jumping > cursor? If not, I'll skip this one. Some problems were addressed, not the "jumpinmg cursor" one, though - please wait for the next Alpha, as we've found a way to fix it just today. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello List, Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the formatting bars anymore. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 19042 ) pgp4yiyNHseIr.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, U Thank you! Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 11:11:11 AM, you wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64.7z -- Best regards, Curt Akin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
