Re: [SPAM?] 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 8:11:11 AM, you wrote: Stefan> Version 9.3.4.7 is available I tried, but today I went back to 9.3.4 as I could not deal with the new HTML editor any longer. But, other than that, it worked just fine. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Weird editor in behavior in 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 8:11:11 AM, you wrote: Version 9.3.4.7 is available I had tried the new editor before and eventually gave up and went back to the old one. I'm trying the new editor again and have found some issues. 1. The right arrow key always goes from the first letter of a word to the last letter. To get to the middle of a word with arrow keys I must start the the end and use the left arrow key 2. The insert key does not toggle insert mode. 3. Spell check does not work on some contractions. For example: didn't, wasn't 4. While trying to correct an existing word, the cursor always jumps to the end of the word on the first letter typed. 5. Some replies come up in all Courier even though no profile layout has Courier in any selection. 6. The font size displayed when creating a new message is wrong. As I type this, it looks like Arial 10 or 11, yet it shows being Arial 16. 7. Word wrap points are incorrectly calculated. The text always extends far past the right edge of the window before wrapping and the window is unaware as there is no horizontal scroll bar available, so no way to see what I writing. 8. Crtl + Arrow stops on the single quotes in contractions, but not on periods and commas. Those behaviors are different than Microsoft Word. The single quotes are clearly wrong, the commas and periods are probably OK either way. 9. If I highlight this line and the carriage return on the line below and change to Bold, Italic, Underline or Strikethrough and then back to normal, the carriage return is deleted. Not to be negative, but it's almost unusable in it's current condition. I think better than last time though. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, > Version 9.3.4.7 is available > > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64.7z Installed and running. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid) - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 19042 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan,
S>>> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text
S>>> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required.
>> Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too?
>> And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually?
ST> Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? If
presence of formatting toolbars makes you worry, this can be optional, but what
can be harmful in automatic changing format?
* What's bothering me with the current situation, is that there are duplicate
icons on the tool bar. Some of which don't even work.
* If the user wants to stay with plain text, he does not know right now, which
buttons to avoid. Some change the format to HTML, some don't.
* Moreover the formatting option that invoked the switch to HTML is not applied
right away; at the moment the user has to press the Bold-button twice: the
first performs the switch to HTML, the second makes the font bold.
* I'm not quite sure: In the past, was inserting a symbol only possible in HTML
editor? Now it performs a switch.
* Also formatting options that were possible in Microed in 9.3.4.2 now perform
an editor switch (Upper Case, lower case, invert case and Capitalize) without
actually applying the selected option afterwards.
Even with the issues mentioned above getting fixed in upcoming releases I have
mixed feeling towards it. For people that mostly write HTML-Mails this feature
has no advantage. People that mostly write text mails might probably be annoyed
by it.
How about a dialogue before an automatic switch to HTML ("This feature
requires changing the mail format to HTML. Do you want to switch to the HTML
Editor?") Maybe with a checkbox "Do not ask me again".
Best regards,
mse
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Windows 10 (Build 19042) (64-bit) without OTFE
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Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, On Thu, 6 May 2021 11:41:17 +0300 GMT (06-May-21, 15:41 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: >> Kindly advise whether this uses the new HTML editor. > Yes, it does - we continue working on implementation of the new HTML editor, > this is why this version is still called "Alpha" >> If so, have the issues I posted here been addressed, especially the jumping >> cursor? If not, I'll skip this one. > Some problems were addressed, not the "jumpinmg cursor" one, though - please > wait for the next Alpha, as we've found a way to fix it just today. Great, thanks. Looking forward to it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.3.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Stefan, Is the below how you want automatic HTML to work? It looks like tb decided my reply should have some html characteristics even though I was replying to a text message. Daniel, Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) Sounds like the old "I hate HTML" argument. HTML really, really isn't going to go away, no matter how you discourage it. There are only a few decent clients still around that don't do html, Sylpheed for one the last time I looked. How long do you suppose they can hold out that way? but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) I remember some years ago, getting a reply to my first in line U message saying, "Thanks, now I can go home and go to bed." He didn't want to do that until he was sure the new beta would fly. Subsequent bug reports could be handled in the morning. How many U's you get being a percentage thing. Desired is minimal, I went back to the previous version, and maximal, ok here. Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Daniel, Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) Sounds like the old "I hate HTML" argument. HTML really, really isn't going to go away, no matter how you discourage it. There are only a few decent clients still around that don't do html, Sylpheed for one the last time I looked. How long do you suppose they can hold out that way? but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) I remember some years ago, getting a reply to my first in line U message saying, "Thanks, now I can go home and go to bed." He didn't want to do that until he was sure the new beta would fly. Subsequent bug reports could be handled in the morning. How many U's you get being a percentage thing. Desired is minimal, I went back to the previous version, and maximal, ok here. Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
S> Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? Well, for instance because you may be sending to a mailing list where HTML is not accepted or not appreciated (hint, hint), or because you are sending a message to a server that will process it automatically, but only if it's in plain text. Or simply because you as the user want to be in control of how your messages go out. Some people don't even consider html messages to be email because technically, the html part is an attachment. Or they hate Microsoft who forced html (and so, lots of fraud, deception and malware due to manipulated URLs) on email users. There are many reasons! :) S> but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. Good. >> While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful >> purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if >> we stop sending them. S> Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) But that's precisely when a beta tester should send you a bug report! Anyway, I'll just keep ignoring those messages :-) Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Daniel, Thursday, May 6, 2021, 2:03:49 PM, you wrote: S>> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text S>> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. > Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too? > And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually? Well, it means adding a new option. Why do you think it's needed? If presence of formatting toolbars makes you worry, this can be optional, but what can be harmful in automatic changing format? > When I drag and drop an image onto the editor, I may just want to add it as > an attachment rather than include it in the body. A picture file dropped onto plain text message won't change format, but pasting/inserting a picture should change format, the logic is pretty simple here. > While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose > for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop > sending them. Yes, they are useful - it's much better than just a silence because we know that people actually tried to use it and it didn't fail to start :-) -- Best regards, Stefan 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hi Stefan, S> That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text S> automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. Sounds like a nice feature, but can it be turned off too? And do users keep the option of setting format (plain text or html) manually? When I drag and drop an image onto the editor, I may just want to add it as an attachment rather than include it in the body. While I have you: Do these "Up and Running" messages serve any useful purpose for you? If you do not need them, it would save a lot of traffic if we stop sending them. Best, -Daan- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, On Thu, 6 May 2021, at 11:42:59 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:42 where I live) Stefan wrote: >> Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the >> formatting bars anymore. > That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text > automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. Ah, nice. A good idea! -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 19042 ) pgpIc0Ldui3pP.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Gwen, > Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the > formatting bars anymore. That's the idea actually - to switch to HTML from plain text automatically once any HTML-specific feature is required. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Thomas, > Kindly advise whether this uses the new HTML editor. Yes, it does - we continue working on implementation of the new HTML editor, this is why this version is still called "Alpha" > If so, have the issues I posted here been addressed, especially the jumping > cursor? If not, I'll skip this one. Some problems were addressed, not the "jumpinmg cursor" one, though - please wait for the next Alpha, as we've found a way to fix it just today. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello List, Changing message format from Plain ↔ HTML does not switch the formatting bars anymore. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 9.3.4.7 Alpha (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 19042 ) pgp4yiyNHseIr.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, U Thank you! Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 11:11:11 AM, you wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64.7z -- Best regards, Curt Akin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Hello Stefan, On Wed, 5 May 2021 18:11:11 +0300 GMT (05-May-21, 22:11 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > Version 9.3.4.7 is available > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64-full.7z > Here is a short list of changes: Kindly advise whether this uses the new HTML editor. If so, have the issues I posted here been addressed, especially the jumping cursor? If not, I'll skip this one. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.3.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7
Wednesday, May 5, 2021 > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64-full.7z Installed and running. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings The Desk Consulting Group Inc. 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail je...@thedeskdatacentre.com 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7 is still an ALPHA
Stefan, Running here. Sorry, forgot to mention that 9.3.4.7 is still an ALPHA -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov -- Gleason TheBat! 9.3.4.7 Alpha Pro (64bit, no OTFE) on Windows 10.0 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3.4.7 is still an ALPHA
Sorry, forgot to mention that 9.3.4.7 is still an ALPHA -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov pgpi5gmdGqE4d.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
9.3.4.7
Dear All, Version 9.3.4.7 is available https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x32-full.7z https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64-full.7z https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x32.7z https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.3.4.7-x64.7z Here is a short list of changes: [+] It's now possible to set character set with the %CHARSET="" macro for text message export filter action [+] Automatic message format switch from plain to text when a style is used or a picture is inserted [*] Find text in HTML viewer did not jump to the first occurrence [*] "Message|Test filters" is back into the message list popup menu [*] Remove the "Change protocol" button from the account settings [*] Make Blockquote tag style stored into output HTML [*] Set UTF-8 as the default character set for text message export filter action [-] AV errors caused by editor switch (Alpha issue 9.3.4.3) [-] Paste commands were not working in the HTML editor (Alpha issue) [-] Quick reply's "Send" button was active without a text ready to be sent [-] Ctrl+Enter and Ctrl+Shift+Enter shortcuts could not be used from Quick Reply until first editor's popup menu appearance [-] Unexpected search box was sometimes visible in an attached message viewer [-] Text in the "About" window was not displayed under some themes -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov CEO @ Ritlabs S.R.L. pgptkTDM4q_L2.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
