Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)

2006-10-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maxim,

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:22:25 +0300 GMT (13/10/2006, 07:22 +0700 GMT),
Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe
MM sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users
MM love The Bat! or hate it.

The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The
balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a
certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it
under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it.

The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and
is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since
they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers
and ex-promoters.

Being pedantic has its advantages, and TB! is certainly a good
product. However, you have to be a bit realistic about what is out
there. This customer, for example, could not connect by normal port at
all, due to his company's security policy. He is clearly someone who
knows what he is talking about. Even if he wanted to, he cannot use
(or promote!) The Bat!.

Recommending a third software (stunnel) is certainly not the idea -
you are providing a work-around for your own restriction. What is the
point of the restriction then? I would also think it is certainly much
easier to just use another email-client with which you don't need to
tunnel.

Just my 2 satangs worth.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to
us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876.
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

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Re: Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)

2006-10-12 Thread Gary
Hi Thomas,

On  Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:33 +0700 UTC (10/12/2006, 8:54 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Thomas Fernandez wrote:

T The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The
T balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a
T certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it
T under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it.

T The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and
T is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since
T they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers
T and ex-promoters.

Well spoken Thomas :)  also, make that another FREE product..

-- 
Gary






 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first -
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/