Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello MAU, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:19:13 +0100 GMT (09/02/2008, 01:19 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: Maybe I just don't get what you mean, since you have abandonded your campaign for a Drafts folder. M You said it. I have abandoned the _campaign_, but I still play and M experiment every now and then. See attached. LOL! You got me here. Point taken. -- Cheers, Thomas. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hallo Miguel, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:00:00 +0100GMT (8-2-2008, 12:00 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M And, if not, does anybody think that a new and specific filter action M would be useful? You'd need a new category of filters, outgoing filters are being processed after the message has been sent. You want to process the message before being sent. However, I can think of some uses for a category like that, even without your additional action. :-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows '95 = Mac O/S '84 http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpUX8XbRByvU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello MAU, Have you never sent a message before you actually wanted to? Or a private message to a mailing list? Or you actually wanted to save the message as DRAFT but you actually sent it and you didn't notice till it was too late? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Peter, Account properties - Options - Confirm immediate sending (...) I'm aware (and using) this and another options. Maybe the examples I gave aren't the best, but what I want to do is what I stated in my original message: ,- [ ] | Under certain circumstances (which can be checked with Outgoing filter | conditions) I'd like to stop a message from actually being sent. `- That's all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Maggie, You hit my funny-bone there MAU. Thank you. I hope I didn't hit you too hard ;) For important mails, I prevent this accidental sending by not putting an address in the To field until the mail is written and edited. A filter category would be helpful. There are many tricks, but I assume you have read what I wrote several times by now: Under certain circumstances... -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Vili, Now you will laugh: so I wrote that and clicked on Send now, to see that confirmation window to quote the text. I forgot, I did not have that confirmation window set for this account :)) Yes, sh*t happens ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Thomas, Maybe I just don't get what you mean, since you have abandonded your campaign for a Drafts folder. You said it. I have abandoned the _campaign_, but I still play and experiment every now and then. See attached. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 attachment: Draft_folder.png Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Maggie, Yes - I did read. For these circumstances, would a kill processes hot-key combination work, or do you need something automatic like a filter? It is not that I _need_ it, but that's what I'm looking for. A filter. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Vili, Sorry for my late reply. | Under certain circumstances (which can be checked with Outgoing filter | conditions) I'd like to stop a message from actually being sent. One idea: you create a QT that will replace the @ in the recipient to #. That way the SMTP server reports an error if you try to send, and you have to manually go to the Outbox, open the mail, (run another QT to) replace the # to @, and send. Or you simply include this QT in the template of specific mails... Don't know if such a QT is possible. Perhaps using regexp (which I hate, BTW). And also, what happens if you send a message to a whole AB Group, the To: field is filled with 'GroupName list'. How would you handle that? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello MAU, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:00:00 +0100 GMT (08/02/2008, 18:00 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M Under certain circumstances (which can be checked with Outgoing filter M conditions) I'd like to stop a message from actually being sent. I've M tried with current available filter actions (Delete, Move, etc.) but M the outgoing message is still sent. M Does anybody have any bright idea about how to achieve it? If a filter could do it, it means there is an algorithm, a regularity. Why send the message in the first place if those conditions are met? Can you give an example? If you are mistakenly sending a message and it is sufficienctly large and your internet connection sufficiently slow, opening the Connection Center and Deleting the task should work. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: It doesn't matter if you are heavily outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts - your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked them out. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hallo Thomas, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:09:29 +0700GMT (8-2-2008, 13:09 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TF If a filter could do it, it means there is an algorithm, a TF regularity. Why send the message in the first place if those TF conditions are met? Can you give an example? I could use a message to trigger a filter executing a program with some parameters without actually sending the message. -- Groetjes, Roelof Never lean forward to push an invisible object. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp4ancwCXRej.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Roelof, M And, if not, does anybody think that a new and specific filter action M would be useful? You'd need a new category of filters, outgoing filters are being processed after the message has been sent. You want to process the message before being sent. Thanks Roleof, I didn't exactly know how outgoing messages and filters were handled. However, I can think of some uses for a category like that, even without your additional action. :-) Yes, me too. That's why I have come with this question. But I don't think it's even worth a wishlist entry. If it was ever implemented it would probably be too late for me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Thomas, M Does anybody have any bright idea about how to achieve it? If a filter could do it, it means there is an algorithm, a regularity. Why send the message in the first place if those conditions are met? Can you give an example? Have you never sent a message before you actually wanted to? Or a private message to a mailing list? Or a not digitally signed message to a recipient to who you _always_ want to send signed messages? Or... I'm trying to prevent sending by accident. If you are mistakenly sending a message and it is sufficienctly large and your internet connection sufficiently slow, opening the Connection Center and Deleting the task should work. Of course. And I can also unplug my router from the telephone jack on the wall. Or go outside and cut the telephone pole and hope the cable will break that way. ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello MAU, On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:52:44 +0100 GMT (08/02/2008, 19:52 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: If a filter could do it, it means there is an algorithm, a regularity. Why send the message in the first place if those conditions are met? Can you give an example? M Have you never sent a message before you actually wanted to? Or a M private message to a mailing list? Or a not digitally signed message to M a recipient to who you _always_ want to send signed messages? Or... Yes, I have. But I fail to see how a filter could prevent me from making these mistakes. M I'm trying to prevent sending by accident. I understand. Everybody has their own kind of accidents. As for the wrong recipient (your example of sending to a mailing list when you want to send a PM), how can a computer program know whether you mean what you tell it to do? In this case, I like to quote the legendary Steve Lamb: Rise your eyes three degrees and look at the To address. I don't want TB! to ask are you sure you want to send this message to this recipient?, are you sure you don't want to sign the message, and so on. I have already told it what to do. If you are mistakenly sending a message and it is sufficienctly large and your internet connection sufficiently slow, opening the Connection Center and Deleting the task should work. M Of course. And I can also unplug my router from the telephone jack M on the wall. Or go outside and cut the telephone pole and hope the M cable will break that way. ;-) After you have instructed TB! to do something and then find out this is not what you meant, you can do all of these things. However, I still don't understand how a filter would prevent you from giving instructions that you didn't mean. But then, I don't understand all this Artificial Intelligence and Fuzzy Logic stuff. Maybe I just don't get what you mean, since you have abandonded your campaign for a Drafts folder. Sorry if my reply is not helpful. -- Cheers, Thomas. My mother wants grandchildren, so I said, Mom, go for it! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
Hello Vili, ,- [ ] | Under certain circumstances (which can be checked with Outgoing filter | conditions) I'd like to stop a message from actually being sent. `- That's all. I mean, you get a window: Do you Yes, and a door, and ... ;) Now seriously, if you mean CC I hardly ever pay attention to it. Specially when sending because it is just too fast, it just blinks. Aside of that, read what I wrote: Under certain circumstances That's all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Stopping a message from being sent
On Friday, February 8, 2008, 6:44:06 AM, MAU wrote: Yes, me too. That's why I have come with this question. But I don't think it's even worth a wishlist entry. If it was ever implemented it would probably be too late for me ;-) You should do it for your grandchildren.`:-) -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.7 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
