Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
Hello Jens, Thursday, May 15, 2008, 2:55:39 PM, you wrote: > I am feeling disturbed by this kind of discussion, could this maybe > please end up in a very short way? whichever, i don't care. Amen. Can the moderators please bring this to a close! Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
In reply to : MDP> So do I. FYI, Vitalie is no longer a member here. Life is too short, MDP> so let's discuss it no further. ;-) Hmmm... using the approach that he pointed out in that mid: ? :P -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
5/14/2008 11:19 AM Hi Alto, On 5/14/2008 Alto Speckhardt wrote: AS> Hi Paul, >> Maybe you and he can start your own forum. AS> Don't forget that neither of us is here to please RIT, and that does AS> (if not, it ought to) include you. This is not a fanclub. We are here to help. I have never seen helpfulness in rude & vulgar language. AS> We are here solely because RIT failed to live up to its promises and AS> does not show any indications on changing this behaviour in the AS> futere. Do not confuse the guilty party here. I didn't quarrel with the content. It was the delivery. Ritlabs in one of the most generous developers I know, allowing unlimited updates in a major version, always trying to make a better product and allowing for a trial before purchase. Are they perfect? Do I approve of everything they do? Do I always agree with their priorities? Of course not. Rude and vulgar posts accomplish nothing. If it is done via PM with a developer, so be it. When it is done here it affects all who read the list. - -- Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
> AS> I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat > big > AS> time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by "RIT-yes-men" > will > AS> be able to cover this. > > Maybe you and he can start your own forum. I think this is not for you to decide. My message was to RitLabs, not to you or anyone else in this list. They own the list and only they (or their trusted moderators) can tell me when and what to post or not. I've tried to get the message by reporting bugs. I've tried to get the message by contacting support. Now I'm trying to get the message by talking directly to their developers in this list. Basically I'm trying _everything_ like they in Russia say: Metodom naucnava tyka. If none of this is appropriate then RitLabs should tell us what way they prefer, because I don't see any other way? -- Best Regards, Vilius Šumskas LNK TV IT manager mob.: +370 614 75713 http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
5/14/2008 10:40 AM Hi Alto, On 5/14/2008 Alto Speckhardt wrote: AS> A little cheap for a retort, don't you think? No. Rude, foul-mouthed posts accomplish nothing and deserve a response that might get the attention of the perpetrator. AS> Every single point Vilius made in his post is backed by fact and so is AS> every bit of frustration that may be read both in and between the AS> lines. I didn't question the accuracy. AS> I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat big AS> time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by "RIT-yes-men" will AS> be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. - -- Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
5/14/2008 10:15 AM Hi Marck, On 5/14/2008 Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP> So do I. FYI, Vitalie is no longer a member here. Life is too short, MDP> so let's discuss it no further. ;-) Thank You Very Much! - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
> Hi Vilius, > > Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 11:20:43 AM, you wrote: > > > Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:16:07 AM, you wrote: > > >> Vilius Šumskas wrote: > >>> I'm wondering where their management is looking? > >> yikes! what's that? > > >>> Do they even have any? > >>> > >> i concur to this question. > > > That explains everything. > > I don't think that quick, "smart-a__" criticisms of Rit Labs help > anyone. It is an unconstructive way of dealing with your own > frustrations, I believe. It would be better to go on a long walk in > the woods or something. Oh really? I reported the IMAP bugs on the bugtracker and on this lists. See: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6016 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6017 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6019 other serious bugs reported by others: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4880 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6127 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3961 (!!!) All of them were completely ignored or I were said that Rit will deal with them later, like "in another version". I paid my money for the upgrade to 2.0 with promised IMAP support ~5 YEARS ago. It's 2008 and still no proper IMAP support no the old bugs get fixed. They tried it in version 3.0 then again in 3.0.22 or was it 3.0.98 (?), then again they promised IMAP and "completely new user interface" for version 4 but changed their minds along the way and said that of course it will be for version 4, just not for 4.0 but for 4.1. In the mean time they are adding/fixing Smilies, Rogue Icons, HTML viewer (when you can use IE or Gecko engines), Mail Chat (???), changing The Bat!'s splash screen in every new version (???). Who cares about this stuff when we cannot receive mail anyway? On the other hand I can see why they are changing TB!'s appearance so often. To cover not working things and to give consumer an expression that this is completely new program. Let me quote you, RitLabs, an anonymous quote: "[this] Shit IS unbelievable. But there it is, staring at you, smiling, getting right up your nose, weakening your knees, watering up your eyes, turning your stomach with its kryptonite-like powers. It's even worse if it is Somebody Else's Shit. You can't kill shit, at best you can cover it up, but sooner or later, everyone knows, it's there, in the room, lurking, infecting the atmosphere." Some would say that IMAP is not important and nobody uses it and that's completely not true. Every company with more than 10 users uses IMAP or MAPI. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to manage large quantities of email on different computers and different locations with POP3. Google and MSN already realized this. And for the guys who said that IMAP standard doesn't describe how interface should work, THAT'S BU&%$*IT. Of course it doesn't describe how interface should work, but we are talking here not about standard implementation we are talking about IMAP functionality in The Bat! as a whole. At this stage it is unusable and should be considered as alpha (or experimental preview) phase. IMHO it is so unusable that should be removed in release versions completely. Because with a bugs like 3961 it only causes danger to consumer's email. Also one could say that IMAP is very difficult to implement. That's another bu*&$^it. Let me tell you - USA, EU and Russians almost finished building International Space Station in that time! IMAP IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Rit (or should I better say developers of Rit) had 7 YEARS for this and they still can put up their s**t together. I've contacted the support, I've reported bugs, nothing changed. I should say this "smart-a__" criticism is the only thing that's LEFT. Maybe then they'll listen (however I don't believe so). I don't use TB! Anymore, but I'll just stay around and see where this joke TB! - IMAP story will end. -- Best Regards, Happy Outlook User. Vilius Šumskas LNK TV IT manager http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
Hi Vilius, Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 11:20:43 AM, you wrote: > Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:16:07 AM, you wrote: >> Vilius Šumskas wrote: >>> I'm wondering where their management is looking? >> yikes! what's that? >>> Do they even have any? >>> >> i concur to this question. > That explains everything. I don't think that quick, "smart-a__" criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. It is an unconstructive way of dealing with your own frustrations, I believe. It would be better to go on a long walk in the woods or something. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.0.24.9 (beta) on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
In reply to : RZ> Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: >> at in the near future? It's really frustrating seeing minor bugs >> being solved or new features being implemented while facing these >> serious issues for every new mail. RZ> Carsten, so nice to see that I'm not the only one with this bug. RZ> In general this particular bug still keeps me on thunderbird. I RZ> think that our responses to new betas released could be: RZ> Up and running but IMAP counters are still not fixed:) Please, don't do it. The programmers at RitLabs are very sensitive people and could reply something like this (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) to you. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Use the Force, Luke. Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:48:20 AM, you wrote: > ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! I think the counters are the main problem with IMAP. There are others, too, but the counters drive people mad. We are faced with this bug for every new email that arrives! (emails not recognized as been read, animated icon, etc.). Stefan or Maxim, could you please let us know what will happen with this. Will this be looked at in the near future? It's really frustrating seeing minor bugs being solved or new features being implemented while facing these serious issues for every new mail. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
