Re: Version 4
Hi Rick, I too still have the exe for version 4 in my prog folder and can rename it back if I feel the need. Are you sure? Wasn't there some issue with the mailbase if you switched back over major versions? Or does this only affect POP users? -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.12.2 pgpMaMwODiGMQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Alto, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 9:43:17 AM, among other things, you wrote: AS Hi Rick, I too still have the exe for version 4 in my prog folder and can rename it back if I feel the need. AS Are you sure? Wasn't there some issue with the mailbase if you AS switched back over major versions? Or does this only affect POP users? I have version 4 in one folder and version 5 in another folder. Both access the same TB files. I can thus switch from one version to the other at any time and have the smae folder list and messages. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.44.2 POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Roger, I have version 4 in one folder and version 5 in another folder. Both access the same TB files. I can thus switch from one version to the other at any time and have the smae folder list and messages. As I recall, there was an issue with v4 not using local timezones and v5 doing so, thus the send/receive times of the messages in the message base would change. Do you see any of that when switching versions? -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.12.13 (BETA) pgplUwo1UpKSZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 4
Title: Re[2]: Version 4 Hi Alto, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:43:17 AM, Tbbeta wrote: Hi Rick, I too still have the exe for version 4 in my prog folder and can rename it back if I feel the need. Are you sure? Wasn't there some issue with the mailbase if you switched back over major versions? Or does this only affect POP users? AFAICR the only real problem is the message timestamp as the UTC offset is stored in a different way. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Alto, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 11:22:59 AM, among other things, you wrote: AS Hi Roger, I have version 4 in one folder and version 5 in another folder. Both access the same TB files. I can thus switch from one version to the other at any time and have the smae folder list and messages. AS As I recall, there was an issue with v4 not using local timezones and AS v5 doing so, thus the send/receive times of the messages in the AS message base would change. Do you see any of that when switching AS versions? Sorry, I haven't taken much notice of this problem, if it still occurs. The times shown on your message are the same in both versions, but perhaps once the message haas been received there is no problem. It may only occur during the initial download, depending on which version does the download. There are problems with some of the virtual folder filters in version 5 and in the one VF that I have which filters according to the messages being less than 22 days version 5 shows three more messages than version 4. A quick check seems to show that they are three older messages. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v5.0.12.13 (BETA) POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Alto, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 11:22:59 AM, among other things, you wrote: AS Hi Roger, I have version 4 in one folder and version 5 in another folder. Both access the same TB files. I can thus switch from one version to the other at any time and have the smae folder list and messages. AS As I recall, there was an issue with v4 not using local timezones and AS v5 doing so, thus the send/receive times of the messages in the AS message base would change. Do you see any of that when switching AS versions? Sorry, I haven't taken much notice of this problem, if it still occurs. The times shown on your message are the same in both versions, but perhaps once the message haas been received there is no problem. It may only occur during the initial download, depending on which version does the download. There are problems with some of the virtual folder filters and in the one VF that I have which filters according to the messages being less than 22 days, -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v5.0.12.13 (BETA) POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Alto, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 11:22:59 AM, among other things, you wrote: AS Hi Roger, I have version 4 in one folder and version 5 in another folder. Both access the same TB files. I can thus switch from one version to the other at any time and have the smae folder list and messages. AS As I recall, there was an issue with v4 not using local timezones and AS v5 doing so, thus the send/receive times of the messages in the AS message base would change. Do you see any of that when switching AS versions? I have just noticed that my first reply to your message has come to the list showing a received time four hours before my actual local time here; a time earlier than when your message arrived! It was sent using version 5. This is being sent with version 4. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.44.2 POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Roger, The times shown on your message are the same in both versions, but perhaps once the message haas been received there is no problem. It may only occur during the initial download, depending on which version does the download. Yes, maybe. In any case: Thanks for trying that out. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.12.13 (BETA) pgpT5wPOoe1h0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi All, Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? If anyone is thinking about moving back to 4.22 database (TBK) import can be done directly from backup file. Just export all of the stuff to TBK, uninstall v5, install v4 and import TBK file. The only strange think was that all VF were empty up to the moment when each of them was selected and ESC was pressed. After that messages appeared. So far all is good, no exceptions, access violations, count and filtering is proper. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, June 6, 2011 (16:18 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello RS, On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:31:00 +0800 GMT (06/Jun/11, 15:31 PM +0700 GMT), RS (FEDARA) wrote: RF The only strange think was that all VF were empty up to the moment RF when each of them was selected and ESC was pressed. After that RF messages appeared. Not a big deal, it's a one-time key-pressing. I am sure they will auto-update from now on. I am glad to hear that all went well with the version change. RF So far all is good, no exceptions, access violations, count and RF filtering is proper. Hehehe. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello RS, On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:23:04 +0800 GMT (06/Jun/11, 12:23 PM +0700 GMT), RS (FEDARA) wrote: RF Thank you for a prompt reply. Most welcome. RF Is version 4.22 working properly as it should? RF I did try 3.99 version for a month and I was using it daily with lots RF of e-mails and other heavier stuff and it was good. My previous RF experience with 3.99 version was one of the factors why I purchased RF the license. It was good. v4 was even better, due to additional features I liked. Now, please don't ask me to remember which ones g, but I probably use them every day. RF I did give a try to v5 prior to purchase but it was rather a quick RF check up than a full test. Why should I do time consuming full test if RF I already tried TB! before and I know the brand? :) Yes, the brand image. Well, IMHO v5 is still in beta stage, and I personally don't know why they published it as a release. It's work in progress, and it will result in a superior email client, I am convinced of that. But then, Ritlabs make their own decisions about releases, and they will have a reason for there policy. RF I work with my e-mail client and if it's malfunctioning it's not RF acceptable for me. I hear you. But who am I? RF Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on RF setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? I believe so, at least I was told it was possible with eearly betas. The messages base format was slightly changed, but I understand you will only experience that the timestamps of the messages will be wrong, as your local offset to GMT is handled differently. RF OK. As with all version changes (especially on a beta list) make full back-ups. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi All, Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? If anyone is thinking about moving back to 4.22 database (TBK) import can be done directly from backup file. Just export all of the stuff to TBK, uninstall v5, install v4 and import TBK file. The only strange think was that all VF were empty up to the moment when each of them was selected and ESC was pressed. After that messages appeared. So far all is good, no exceptions, access violations, count and filtering is proper. Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? -- Rick Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine. - Sir Arthur Eddington v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Rick, Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:18:19 PM, among other things, you wrote: Hi All, Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? If anyone is thinking about moving back to 4.22 database (TBK) import can be done directly from backup file. Just export all of the stuff to TBK, uninstall v5, install v4 and import TBK file. The only strange think was that all VF were empty up to the moment when each of them was selected and ESC was pressed. After that messages appeared. So far all is good, no exceptions, access violations, count and filtering is proper. R Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? For my everyday work I still use v4, I only use v5 for beta testing, it still has too many small bugs and I will never consider pay more money until it is up to the same level as v4. I only use POP3 and so am not interested in any IMAP improvements. I've been using TB since version 1.64. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.44.2 POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Rick, Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:18:19 PM, you wrote: R Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because v5 is not reliable enough yet? Even though I have 4 accounts that make use of IMAP, I could as well do without it. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.33.1 Beta MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 10:24:17) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 4
6/6/2011 1:01 PM Hi Rick, On 6/6/2011 Rick wrote: R Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because we have important daily business to conduct that requires an email client without performance/stability issues. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Rick, Hi All, Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? If anyone is thinking about moving back to 4.22 database (TBK) import can be done directly from backup file. Just export all of the stuff to TBK, uninstall v5, install v4 and import TBK file. The only strange think was that all VF were empty up to the moment when each of them was selected and ESC was pressed. After that messages appeared. So far all is good, no exceptions, access violations, count and filtering is proper. Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because I spent my money to get a reliable tool and even official release (5.0.12) is having exceptions and lots of bugs? Up to now I have tried to update and use TB! v5 with all my mail's and the result was that finally it died and imported messages (over 20k ; about 6-7GB) are not visible... If I just want to join TBBETA I wouldn't spend money on licence but download a client and test it constantly. As 5.0.12 is official release that is provided to clients it should work not give me on daily basis exceptions and access violations ; not mentioning that autobackup stopped working ; VF were not showing proper count ; messages from other ppl were presented in VF filtered on e-mail address and so on... Will keep v5 on my laptop for tests but not for working. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Tuesday, June 7, 2011 (01:34 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Thomas, As with all version changes (especially on a beta list) make full back-ups. It was the reason why I set up daily autobackup - but it stopped working here Would like to have it even more frequent, ex: every 12 hours. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Tuesday, June 7, 2011 (01:45 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
6/6/2011 1:01 PM Hi Rick, On 6/6/2011 Rick wrote: R Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because we have important daily business to conduct that requires an email client without performance/stability issues. OK - some are maintaining v4 for reliability reasons. But isn't this a list for identifying and testing version 5? I too still have the exe for version 4 in my prog folder and can rename it back if I feel the need. -- Rick I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
If I just want to join TBBETA I wouldn't spend money on licence but download a client and test it constantly. As 5.0.12 is official release that is provided to clients it should work not give me on daily basis exceptions and access violations ; not mentioning that autobackup stopped working ; VF were not showing proper count ; messages from other ppl were presented in VF filtered on e-mail address and so on... Will keep v5 on my laptop for tests but not for working. GREAT! Several people are doing that. As I responded to someone else, I have that option also. Report the VFs and the Log entries and I am sure they will fix them as quickly as they can. -- Rick I'm having another It seemed like a good idea at the time moment v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 4
6/6/2011 2:37 PM Hi Rick, On 6/6/2011 Rick wrote: R OK - some are maintaining v4 for reliability reasons. But isn't R this a list for identifying and testing version 5? I too still have R the exe for version 4 in my prog folder and can rename it back if I feel the need. It is a statement that v5 is still a beta and not ready for prime time. I have been a TB user from v1.1 back in 1998. I do not remember any previous version to v5 that had as many issues affecting necessary daily use as is present in v5. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Rick, Monday, June 6, 2011, 12:18:19 PM, you wrote: Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because they installed the official release of V5 a few months back assuming that it went through a full beta and would work fine with maybe a few minor bugs. What they found was a release that should never have seen the light of day. It's really really bad. Did I have enough really's in there... really, really bad They were hoping that they would get fixes for the multitude of problems with the official V5 release. I installed the official release and had so many issues with filters, AV, twice daily hangs and virtual folder issues, that I was spending over an hour a day just dealing with my email client bugs. So, I was on this beta list hoping to find quick fixes, making the stupid assumption that all my problems with the official release would soon be fixed. As I watch this list, I can say with no doubt that none of the bugs that I have are fixed yet. These are major issues and still not fixed. This is incredible. Really poor management at RitLabs. IMHO Release 5 is still beta and if you want to run production, V4 is the only way to go. So, I am back to 4 for production, still using 5 for beta testing and waiting patiently to see my bugs fixed, however, if past history ( read the threads about all the IMAP issues) is any indication, maybe we will have to wait for v6 after we pay for the upgrade to get basic v5 functionally. What I don't understand... Can anyone answer this... I check the official TheBat list and I do not see that much activity. Does that mean that no one new has purchased TheBat??? Does it mean that the new users don't know that it is seriously broken? Does it mean that we, beta testers, are the only users... If there were a substantial list of new TheBat customers I would expect TheBat list would have many posts. Any ideas? -- Best regards, Joe 4.2.44.2 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
R OK - some are maintaining v4 for reliability reasons. But isn't R this a list for identifying and testing version 5? It is a statement that v5 is still a beta and not ready for prime time. I have been a TB user from v1.1 back in 1998. I do not remember any previous version to v5 that had as many issues affecting necessary daily use as is present in v5. They redid the entire program. It has bugs in it. Agreed. Isn't this a list for identifying and testing version 5? -- Rick A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person. v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hallo RS, On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:46:28 +0800GMT (6-6-2011, 19:46 , where I live), you wrote: R It was the reason why I set up daily autobackup - but it stopped R working here R Would like to have it even more frequent, ex: every 12 hours. In that case. Create a schedule by yourself in TB's scheduler and set that to create backups with your own specified interval. That's what I'm doing, though I did that initially to use my own names for the backup files. -- Groetjes, Roelof When the moderator smiles, it's too late to retract the statement. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.12.13 (BETA) Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 5 pop3 accounts, 3 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpD1o1ld4Hri.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Rick, Monday, June 6, 2011, 12:18:19 PM, you wrote: Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because they installed the official release of V5 a few months back assuming that it went through a full beta and would work fine with maybe a few minor bugs. What they found was a release that should never have seen the light of day. It's really really bad. Did I have enough really's in there... really, really bad They were hoping that they would get fixes for the multitude of problems with the official V5 release. I installed the official release and had so many issues with filters, AV, twice daily hangs and virtual folder issues, that I was spending over an hour a day just dealing with my email client bugs. So, I was on this beta list hoping to find quick fixes, making the stupid assumption that all my problems with the official release would soon be fixed. As I watch this list, I can say with no doubt that none of the bugs that I have are fixed yet. These are major issues and still not fixed. This is incredible. Really poor management at RitLabs. IMHO Release 5 is still beta and if you want to run production, V4 is the only way to go. So, I am back to 4 for production, still using 5 for beta testing and waiting patiently to see my bugs fixed, however, if past history ( read the threads about all the IMAP issues) is any indication, maybe we will have to wait for v6 after we pay for the upgrade to get basic v5 functionally. What I don't understand... Can anyone answer this... I check the official TheBat list and I do not see that much activity. Does that mean that no one new has purchased TheBat??? Does it mean that the new users don't know that it is seriously broken? Does it mean that we, beta testers, are the only users... If there were a substantial list of new TheBat customers I would expect TheBat list would have many posts. Any ideas? I didn't realize this was a bash list. I thought we were trying to help FIX the flaws and bugs in V5. I have my list of things I want fixed too -- Rick Regular naps prevent old age, especially if you take them while driving. v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 4
6/6/2011 3:36 PM Hi Rick, On 6/6/2011 Rick wrote: R They redid the entire program. It has bugs in it. Agreed. Isn't R this a list for identifying and testing version 5? Sure when it was identified as a beta. The premature release changed the rules. My customers trust me to provide them with stable programs that do what they need. None of us will use v5 for daily business until it is worthy. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
6/6/2011 3:36 PM Hi Rick, On 6/6/2011 Rick wrote: R They redid the entire program. It has bugs in it. Agreed. Isn't R this a list for identifying and testing version 5? Sure when it was identified as a beta. The premature release changed the rules. My customers trust me to provide them with stable programs that do what they need. None of us will use v5 for daily business until it is worthy. I thought Version 5.0.12.13 WAS a beta - did I miss something? By all means, keep your customers on v4 until you feel v5 is ready for prime time for them I just hear a lot of bitching and threatening to go back to v4 which IMO is NOT the reason for this list. We have people that don't even USE the bat that occasionally come onto the beta list just to bash it. How about we get back to finding and reporting bugs -- Rick A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person. v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Rick, Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? The question is: Who else would? A beta is a program that someone does find acceptable for release but wants to get more information from the installed base if it really is. So normally it comes with a warning that it should not be use for productive use. So if the beta does not turn out to be cool, I would consider to go back to a version that suits me. With in this case would be v4 for most people. Go ahead - do as some do and run it for every day use and test the beta as your schedule permits. My problem is with the out of control ain't it awful on a list where we should be concentrating on testing and reporting bugs etc. Sorry, I am not interested in this thread any more -- Rick Stand up for peace every day: speak for the voiceless, seek justice for the oppressed, feed those who are hungry or homeless,comfort those who suffer. They are all our brothers and sisters. v5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello Rick, Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:52:31 PM, you wrote: R Sorry, I am not interested in this thread any more :-) I agree with your point of view and don't like the bashing either. Personally I currently don't have the time to test on a separate PC, so, until I have more time, I'm only lurking... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.33.1 Beta MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 3:6:14) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
On Monday, June 6, 2011, 12:04:34 PM, Paul Van Noord wrote: R Why would ANYONE on the Beta Test list be considering moving back to v4 ? Because we have important daily business to conduct that requires an email client without performance/stability issues. I've had both of those qualities with v5. I no longer have any POP accounts, because I forward all my mail to my IMAP account, so I can't say whether POP works well or not. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.12.13 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Roelof, R It was the reason why I set up daily autobackup - but it stopped R working here R Would like to have it even more frequent, ex: every 12 hours. In that case. Create a schedule by yourself in TB's scheduler and set that to create backups with your own specified interval. That's what I'm doing, though I did that initially to use my own names for the backup files. Thank you. Will give it a try :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Tuesday, June 7, 2011 (11:19 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Joe, So, I am back to 4 for production, still using 5 for beta testing and waiting patiently to see my bugs fixed, however, if past history ( read the threads about all the IMAP issues) is any indication, maybe we will have to wait for v6 after we pay for the upgrade to get basic v5 functionally. Hope it's going to be fixed prior to v6 :) If not, it would be a shortest licence I've purchased :) What I don't understand... Can anyone answer this... I check the official TheBat list and I do not see that much activity. Does that mean that no one new has purchased TheBat??? It was how I got to TBBETA ; after finding out the problem with characters coding I got a feedback to report it to TBBETA and I've ended here :) Does it mean that the new users don't know that it is seriously broken? Does it mean that we, beta testers, are the only users... I didn't know it's broken (or didn't spotted it in a first week). I was having a check on it for about a week ; worked fine as I expected basing on my previous experience so I purchased a licence. Problems started when I tried use it heavily :) Anyway, still giving it a chance due to mentioned before 3.99 version experience :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Tuesday, June 7, 2011 (11:21 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi All, Thank you all for your comments and hints. The reason why I want to move back to 4.22 is that for last month I spent part of my work time dealing with issues while I should be working. It causes delays while replying, lost some e-mails after importing and I can't afford it anymore. So for daily/work use I move back to 4.22 till v5 is ready :) And it was a main reason of asking the question. Why on TBBETA? Because you are the people that knows TB! more than anyone else :) Same as many of you, I'm going to setup v5 on the second computer for testing :) Once again, thank you for your support and opinions. I hope that we can consider the thread closed now :) Have a good day everyone :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Tuesday, June 7, 2011 (11:38 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version 4
Hi, Is version 4.22 working properly as it should? Is it possible to import v4 database/filters and all the stuff to v5 after it's fixed? Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? And question to developers: Can I use the key I have purchased for v5 with v4 and use it with v4 till the moment when v5 starts working properly so I do not have to fight with it every day..? Even official 5.0.12 release gives me exceptions and access violations daily ; autobackup stopped working ; only part of messages in VF are shown ; number of messages is not correct (=0 instead of 91/85/126/11) ; annoying popup to enter a password to an account that is set to be not checked ; and so on. Just found out that can't mark messages shown in VF (showing new messages) as read because the number of new messages is 0. Had to close TB! so Not Read count was proper and after that I was able to use CTRL+M. Correct count was shown for about 25 seconds ; after that all VF were equal to 0. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.0.12 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Sunday, June 5, 2011 (20:51 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello RS, On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:05:35 +0800 GMT (05/Jun/11, 20:05 PM +0700 GMT), RS (FEDARA) wrote: RF Is version 4.22 working properly as it should? IMHO, TB!v4 is the best POP client in the world. No Access Violations, no memory leaks that I am aware of, filters work flawlessly and Virtual Folders get updated automatically. Message counts are correct in folders and subfolders. The only area in which v5 may be better is HTML support, and of course the new functionalities like tooltips or creation of 2D barcodes. That said, I don't use IMAP on this computer. v5 is said to be better for IMAP than v4, but I don't know anything about it. RF Is it possible to import v4 database/filters and all the stuff to v5 RF after it's fixed? Yes, you will be able to upgrade without loss of data or settings. (At least that is the plan.) I am waiting until the current beta series leading to a v5 is at a point where I dare install it. I am sure that will be soon, but I currently depend too much on my email to give it a try. And I don't have a spare computer at the moment. RF Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on RF setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? I believe so, at least I was told it was possible with eearly betas. The messages base format was slightly changed, but I understand you will only experience that the timestamps of the messages will be wrong, as your local offset to GMT is handled differently. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hello RS, Sunday, June 5, 2011, 9:05:35 AM, you wrote: Hi, Is version 4.22 working properly as it should? Is it possible to import v4 database/filters and all the stuff to v5 after it's fixed? Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? I just reverted to v4. To be safe I backed up before reinstalling but there was no need. I did find that v4 will not overwrite the v5 thebat.exe file so after uninstalling and before installing v4, deltete thebat.exe file and v4 will install fine. All my files, folders, virtual folders and settings were still there. And question to developers: Can I use the key I have purchased for v5 with v4 and use it with v4 till the moment when v5 starts working properly so I do not have to fight with it every day..? Even official 5.0.12 release gives me exceptions and access violations daily ; Me too. autobackup stopped working ; only part of messages in VF are shown ; number of messages is not correct (=0 instead of 91/85/126/11) ; annoying popup to enter a password to an account that is set to be not checked ; and so on. Just found out that can't mark messages shown in VF (showing new messages) as read because the number of new messages is 0. Had to close TB! so Not Read count was proper and after that I was able to use CTRL+M. Correct count was shown for about 25 seconds ; after that all VF were equal to 0. -- Best regards, Brianmailto:bwmarco...@runbox.com Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Thomas, Thank you for a prompt reply. RF Is version 4.22 working properly as it should? IMHO, TB!v4 is the best POP client in the world. No Access Violations, no memory leaks that I am aware of, filters work flawlessly and Virtual Folders get updated automatically. Message counts are correct in folders and subfolders. The only area in which v5 may be better is HTML support, and of course the new functionalities like tooltips or creation of 2D barcodes. I did try 3.99 version for a month and I was using it daily with lots of e-mails and other heavier stuff and it was good. My previous experience with 3.99 version was one of the factors why I purchased the license. I did give a try to v5 prior to purchase but it was rather a quick check up than a full test. Why should I do time consuming full test if I already tried TB! before and I know the brand? :) That said, I don't use IMAP on this computer. v5 is said to be better for IMAP than v4, but I don't know anything about it. I have only one IMAP account so basic functionality is fine for me. RF Is it possible to import v4 database/filters and all the stuff to v5 RF after it's fixed? Yes, you will be able to upgrade without loss of data or settings. (At least that is the plan.) I am waiting until the current beta series leading to a v5 is at a point where I dare install it. I am sure that will be soon, but I currently depend too much on my email to give it a try. I work with my e-mail client and if it's malfunctioning it's not acceptable for me. RF Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on RF setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? I believe so, at least I was told it was possible with eearly betas. The messages base format was slightly changed, but I understand you will only experience that the timestamps of the messages will be wrong, as your local offset to GMT is handled differently. OK. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.0.12 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, June 6, 2011 (12:51 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4
Hi Brian, Is it possible to export v5 (current one I spent lots of time on setting filters and sorting e-mails) to TB! v4.22? I just reverted to v4. To be safe I backed up before reinstalling but there was no need. I did find that v4 will not overwrite the v5 thebat.exe file so after uninstalling and before installing v4, deltete thebat.exe file and v4 will install fine. All my files, folders, virtual folders and settings were still there. Thank you. Will give it a try. And question to developers: Can I use the key I have purchased for v5 with v4 and use it with v4 till the moment when v5 starts working properly so I do not have to fight with it every day..? So, now I just need a RIT update what is their position on usage of v5 key with working v4 TB!. Could I get any update here? -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.0.12 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, June 6, 2011 (13:23 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
version 4, unread tab and IMAP
The 'unread' tab is not going to be very helpful to IMAP users until TB! learns to count. I had a folder which showed one unread message, but no unread tab until after I shifted focus to that folder. I also had unread messages in another folder which was not highlignted, didn't show unread messages or show up on the unread tab. -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.0.2 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version 4 testing
Is version 4.0 testing anticipated prior to year end or sometime first quarter next year? Thanks -- Ethan J. Mings CBM, CTF, CMQ/OE,CQA Principal, The Desk Oakville, Ontario, Canada. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.thedesk.ca Phone: 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 4 testing
Hello Ethan, Is version 4.0 testing anticipated prior to year end or sometime first quarter next year? By Xmas. -- Vili The Bat 3.99.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version 4?
I've had a long list of ignored suggestions. My primary beef is areound adress handling, particularly of address book groups and distributions lists. These woul dbe nice to have fixed / included https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3758 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2995 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3643 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=718 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6362 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3004 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4328 -- Graham (via gmane and the web) Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
