Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:29:52 PM, you wrote: CGS It exists, but you would have to buy a Mac. I don't know much about Macs (do not want to have one after bad experiences in earlier times, related to Windows / Apple network). But if it is for one type of computers only, I would hardly call it a standard... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.12 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (2 days 3:28:30) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hi, MP Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP. MP I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP. MP Now that I have, I will not change that attitude (this mail being the MP exception); however, the thought that the author of such reading matter would MP better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on. I can't speak to whether Thunderbird and/or Outlook are the perfect IMAP clients. I've never yet seen such a thing. Still, both's IMAP is better than TheBat's. I trust your own evaluations have revealed the same. So, nothing new. The blind leading the blind. However, it's not TheBat that's leading. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.10.1 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpX0oIDA1ods.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, Saturday, September 12, 2009, 1:26:57 PM, you wrote: Personally I think that the software world has missed a chance by not developing some kind of universal address book which could be shared by several applications (Mailer, Pim, Editors...)... It exists, but you would have to buy a Mac. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, at 08:53:53 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:53 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: ...*snip* I am already testing IMAP withThunderbird. Because I have Outlook on my computer I thought let's see how IMAP works with this ;-) To soon to let you know... The IMAP part works fine but the line wrapping makes me think of Outlook Express... -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! Natural Email System 4.2.10.9 on Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium Versie 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Build 6001 64 bit Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz, 2333 MHz AntispamSniper for The Bat! Pro 3.2.1.1 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:47:35 +0200, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I can confirm that it is broken here. @Ritlabs: This is a new bug that was just introduced recently, it worked not so long ago. I tried it in v. 4.2.10.1, which afaik is the latest release version. It just doesn't change anything at all. When I clicked the Help button it said: Missing context help topic 11027. I wouldn't call this function broken. It's just completely absent. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: shortcut editor broken
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com [mailto:tbbeta- boun...@thebat.dutaint.com] Namens Mark Partous Verzonden: zaterdag 12 september 2009 6:38 Aan: Carsten Guthardt-Schulz on TBBeta Onderwerp: Re: shortcut editor broken Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:32:12 PM, you wrote: CGS - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP. I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP. Now that I have, I will not change that attitude (this mail being the exception); however, the thought that the author of such reading matter would better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on. Hi Mark, I am already testing IMAP withThunderbird. Because I have Outlook on my computer I thought let's see how IMAP works with this ;-) To soon to let you know... -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Microsoft(R) Office Outlook(R) 2007 GpgOL 1.0.0 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Henk, Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:53:53 AM, you wrote: HMdB I am already testing IMAP withThunderbird. Because I have Outlook on my HMdB computer I thought let's see how IMAP works with this ;-) I must have Outlook on this PC (for software related to my job). I use it as little as possible because, after all these years it's main feature still is using RAM. Thunderbird OTOH is, of all the many mailers I have tested, the one that excels in getting uninstalled within 1 day after installation... Oh well, everyone uses whatever suits him/her best and by no means I am implying that TB! cannot be improved. Personally I think that the software world has missed a chance by not developing some kind of universal address book which could be shared by several applications (Mailer, Pim, Editors...)... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (3 days 0:4:58) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:20:44 +0200 GMT (12/Sep/09, 11:20 AM +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: TF I have tried Evolution and missed the folders and filters that make my TF email exerience with TB! so powerfully easy. However, everybody has TF different ways of working. MP I did not want to express I like Evolution! :-) It sounded like it. Reading that Thunderbird is your preferred program to be uninstalled, and re-reading the post I replied to, makes it sound differently. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:26:57 +0200 GMT (12/Sep/09, 18:26 PM +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: MP Oh well, everyone uses whatever suits him/her best and by no means I am MP implying that TB! cannot be improved. Personally I think that the software MP world has missed a chance by not developing some kind of universal address book MP which could be shared by several applications (Mailer, Pim, Editors...)... Not missed a chance. It is in the interest of the software developers to make it difficult for the users to switch to a competing product. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug reports. No, I don't care anymore. I have so many tickets on Bugtracker that I created and/or supported and nothing is being done about them. A decent development team would read this beta list and react with oops, we just broke something, and fix it immediately. Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Carsten Guthardt-Schulz schreef: ...snipped Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (20090812) Enigmail 0.96.0 OpenPGP message encryption and authentication signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Henk, Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:24:42 AM, you wrote: HMdB Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for HMdB GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 21:31:37) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Mark Partous schreef: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:24:42 AM, you wrote: HMdB Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for HMdB GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) Hi Mark, I have tried that on Suse but preferred Thunderbird ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (20090812) Enigmail 0.96.0 OpenPGP message encryption and authentication signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:36:00 +0159 GMT (11/Sep/09, 15:37 PM +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: HMdB Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for HMdB GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) MP I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) I have tried Evolution and missed the folders and filters that make my email exerience with TB! so powerfully easy. However, everybody has different ways of working. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:36:36 +0200 GMT (11/Sep/09, 14:36 PM +0700 GMT), Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: CGS Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but CGS so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up CGS a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, CGS there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. I don't know why you say It'a about time. It appears that up to now, TB! has been the superior product. Why would you wish that this changes? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:32:13 PM, you wrote: I don't know why you say It'a about time. It appears that up to now, TB! has been the superior product. Why would you wish that this changes? For the same reasons as everyone else: - bugs not being fixed - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation - Ritlab's communication -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug reports. No, I don't care anymore. I have so many tickets on Bugtracker that I created and/or supported and nothing is being done about them. A decent development team would read this beta list and react with oops, we just broke something, and fix it immediately. Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? -- Rick If you can dream it, you can do it. - Walt Disney v4.2.10.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:56:02 -0400, Rick wrote: Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? In one of your previous messages you stated that delayed sending worked a couple of beta's ago. So why not stay with that version until (hopefully) this bug is being fixed? IMHO using TB! comes down to just doing that. Keep with the version that works best for you and has the least annoying bugs. There have always been bugs in TB! and there always will be. So if you're relatively satisfied with one version, be happy to use that. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:56:02 -0400, Rick wrote: Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? In one of your previous messages you stated that delayed sending worked a couple of beta's ago. So why not stay with that version until (hopefully) this bug is being fixed? IMHO using TB! comes down to just doing that. Keep with the version that works best for you and has the least annoying bugs. There have always been bugs in TB! and there always will be. So if you're relatively satisfied with one version, be happy to use that. I was just asking if there was anything else out there. I have no plans to leave TB although I do get discouraged with the lack of communication -- Rick Have you ever wondered if the one-dollar bills in your wallet were ever in a stripper's butt crack? If not, you're wondering now. v4.2.10.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:30:11 PM, you wrote: TF I have tried Evolution and missed the folders and filters that make my TF email exerience with TB! so powerfully easy. However, everybody has TF different ways of working. I did not want to express I like Evolution! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (2 days 17:17:0) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:32:12 PM, you wrote: CGS - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP. I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP. Now that I have, I will not change that attitude (this mail being the exception); however, the thought that the author of such reading matter would better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on. :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (2 days 17:18:22) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hi all, Does anyone manage to change a menu shortcut with the current version at all? Could anyone please try if this works for you or if you can confirm this bug? Believe me, it will be annoying once you would like to change a shortcut :-) Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:16:29 AM, among other things, you wrote: CGS Hi all, Does anyone manage to change a menu shortcut with the current version at all? CGS Could anyone please try if this works for you or if you can confirm CGS this bug? Believe me, it will be annoying once you would like to change a shortcut :-) I can confirm that it is broken here. It put a new shortcut in the menu which does not work and now it is not displayed in the customise window and as a result I cannot remove it! The customise programme generally seems to be broken, or at least is very buggy and unpredictable. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.10.9 POP3 , on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
I can confirm that it is broken here. @Ritlabs: This is a new bug that was just introduced recently, it worked not so long ago. Please fix the Customise funciton (especially keyboard shortcut assignment). Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:47:35 +0200 GMT (10/Sep/09, 18:47 PM +0700 GMT), Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I can confirm that it is broken here. CGS @Ritlabs: This is a new bug that was just introduced recently, CGS it worked not so long ago. Please fix the Customise funciton CGS (especially keyboard shortcut assignment). Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug reports. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
shortcut editor broken
Hello Tbbeta, I just found out that I cannot change a keyboard shortcut anymore in the usual way: - right-click on menu/toolbar and select customise - select short-cut tab, double-click on desired menu entry - the little popup appear where I change the shortcut, I click CLOSE - I get asked if I want to appliy the modified settings. Even when I click YES, the new shortcut is not applied, the Customise window gets closed and the old shortcut is still in place. Does anyone manage to change a menu shortcut with the current version at all? -- Best regards, Carsten mailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
