Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work
On 16 October 1999 at 01:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t I answer this mesg and Alexander's full name as he types it stays t blue in my msg, like I just typed it myself. It seems to happen with t long names especially. TB looks for the chevron '' in the first 20 characters when deciding to colour a reply line or not. Alex's full name is longer than that. t How to prevent it Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Reply - Sender information used for quotation. It's actually pretty poor netiquette bandwidth-wise. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Keith, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Keith Russell "Mixed language versions" like Thai? I don't understand what you're Keith Russell saying here. english or whatever European language with Thai/Chinese/japanese etc etc or like from what I heard French with Arabic... Most of those mixed versions have always been bugridden and have very limited update capability ( hardly any system patches) and in addition some hardware/software doesnt want to run. Very first Thai version was real bad and famous for it.. Keith Russell So do you live in Thailand or the U.S.? I am from the Netherlands, but havent been there in 25 years, now live in Thailand... Keith Russell Ouch! If you're in Thailand, it was definitely inevitable--the way Keith Russell they drive Are you okay now? one more month doctor just said, then pin goes out... anyway, it was me, I drove the damned bike off the road and my helmet (German made) broke the colarbone, that was all... Keith Russell Great for business, eh? boring... Donot forget one has to keep their data, they never know where they have it and some systems have those Fujitsu drives which last here an average of about 8 months I think before the head dies... Thai has a small utility from a local university which works fine, Keith Russell Small utility that does what? You should have it already... I just mailed it.. with one font. Keith Russell So we have someone with a Spanish surname who lives in Taiwan and Keith Russell doesn't read or write Chinese but does read or write Thai, and another Keith Russell who lives (or works) in Thailand and doesn't read or write Thai My kids do (g) Keith Russell This is truly an international community we have here, isn't it? I Keith Russell think it's great! (As well as being very envious) One main reason I like software like theBAT is that if windows corrupts, and that happens a lot, it doesnt impact my mail/news or whatever. Ok, I have to dig up my serial etc to reregister it again and select the accounts but the number of people I see loosing all their mail/addressbooks in Outlook Keith Russell That's an EXCELLENT point! Also, of course all the viruses are aimed Keith Russell at Microsoft software. 100% true. So I tell them but it takes time... Keith Russell Different from what? Do you mean that they're not DBCS fonts? Or that Keith Russell TB will display Thai using various fonts? Or something else? I need to know 2 things: when you want to change fonts for the editor: where are the fonts specified it lists??? How to add more?? secondly, I notice that the tables mention Thai but they donot seem to be setup as its the same characters converting to the same characters. In short, whats required to fix the table or/and whats required to add a font. After all, I am probably in one of the best places to get a Thai font or if necessary even to convert one... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Marck, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Marck On 16 October 1999 at 01:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t I answer this mesg and Alexander's full name as he types it stays t blue in my msg, like I just typed it myself. It seems to happen with t long names especially. Marck TB looks for the chevron '' in the first 20 characters when deciding to Marck colour a reply line or not. Alex's full name is longer than that. t How to prevent it Marck Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Reply - Marck Sender information used for quotation. It's actually pretty poor Marck netiquette bandwidth-wise. Marck Cheers, Marck Marck ok, changed. Thanks! bandwidth wise, well as long as they download movies from newsgroups a few bytes on a name isnt that much (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: PGP Check Signature does not work
On 16 October 1999 at 11:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: Marck Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Marck Reply - Sender information used for quotation. It's actually Marck pretty poor netiquette bandwidth-wise. t ok, changed. Thanks! Much better :-) t bandwidth wise, well as long as they download movies from newsgroups t a few bytes on a name isnt that much (g) Very true. ;-) However, the issue in e-mail is the amount of extra text that has to be absorbed before the actual point of the message content can be read. That's also the main point of not over-quoting. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: delete key deletes msg instead of block of msgs I am editing
Hallo Marck, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 8:17:26 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: t I just managed to delete some messages including some I was going to t answer as I highlighted a block of text, and pressed delete, MDP In case you didn't realize, the deleted messages would only have been MDP moved to the Trash folder and can easily be retrieved in the case of MDP such accidents. ... as long as you didn't close the Bat! in the meantime. ;-) However, tracer, worth mentioning is that thanks to Marck and Syafril, this list is also on the net. Check out http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Can Thai be used??
Hallo tracer, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 3:41:52 PM, tracer wrote: t Question, due to all these language questions I dug up some stuff and t as long as I cannot select a simple Thai font with external switch t (which exist) I see no easy way to get Thai in the BAT. t I see Thai is on the list of languages in the conversion tables but t tables donot seem to be setup. t 1. IS Thai setup? You need a Thai driver. I have never worked with X-LAT tables, though. Thai drivers come with Thai Windows. If you have stripped Thai out of it because you want the English-only version, you'll have to get the drivers from Chula or KU or Nectec or anywhere. Not a problem, since you are in the software circles in Thailand, really. But then, why would you use Thai fonts if you have taken the effort of making your Windows English-only? t 2. If not, CAN it be setup and how? t 3. How complex to select from ALL fonts in the control panel? You have all the monospaced fonts right there in TB!, no need to go to the Control Panel. Options/Editor Preferences/Display/Change, and voila: no need to set up anything. It's as easy as that. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello Claudius Peter Steiner, you wrote previously about the "check signature" feature: "Yes, i had the same problem, but only until i changed to PGP 6.5" Does "*automatically verify*" work with your v6.5? Here only the manual menu command "verify signature" works, not *auto verify*; I didn't quite get which one was meant in the discussion earlier in the thread. I never tried automatically verify. What i meant was the verification of signed encrypted messages during decryption. Does automatically decrypt work with you? Regards, Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Broken Thread (Was: Re: Internal picture viewer)
On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 8:54:50 PM, Keith Russell wrote: OTOH, Stan's 'Re[2]' and MaXxX's 'Re[2]' both start new threads in Agent. I think The Bat! is the only email client that handles these. Are there others? Now this not anymore related to TheBat, but as many of us still use Agent (for news): you can change that! In GeneralPrefs/MessageList I have in ReplyPrefixes "re re[1] re[2] re[3] re[4] r aw antwort zu ref" which accepts re[2] and several others, e.g. ones generated from non-english M$ mail clients. I wish TheBat had a similar option... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Du weisch doch, das me n imene Totemügerli nid darf nei säge!" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Problem with attachments from Novell Groupwise
Hi, I've had a problem with attachments sent from the Novell Groupwise system at my workplace. I don't work in the computer field, so please bear with me :-) I have all of my workplace e-mail forwarded to my Netcom account, which I can access from anywhere in the country. These messages arrive as blank messages with text attachments (*.msg) which I double-click to read. However, occasionally someone sends a WordPerfect or Word document in addition to the message. Using the Bat!, I still see a *.msg file, with a size notation such as 30,000 bytes. However, double-clicking the attachment yields an empty screen...no associated text message or accompanying word processor file. Now it gets confusing: If I forward the "blank" message to myself from the Bat!, it arrives back to me as a text file with the huge list of recipients from work, followed by the text message that was sent (such as "here's the agenda for the meeting"), followed by a UUENCODED section which is a *.doc file (the word processor document). This is all in one big message. Additionally, if I save as a text file that first *.msg file that my workplace had sent to me, I can read it in a text editor; it appears as described above, with a uuencoded section. This doesn't seem to happen if I use Calypso to read mail; it happens with the Bat!. I prefer to stay with the Bat!, however. Any suggestions? Regards, Mike -- === Mike Harlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada === -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
(No Subject)
Greetings, I just finished composing a message and I miss a certain function that I had come to really appreciate. When I highlight a word or phrase and tried to drag it to another place in the paragraph, it doesn't budge! Am I not doing something right - or does that not work with TB? I haven't used this list much, so if it was mentioned, I wouldn't have known. -- Thanks, Larry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Sorry!
Greetings again, Sorry about the "no subject" - I forgot!! -- Larry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: FW: Âà±H: ¤jô¤j¯f¬r
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:22:29 PM, Thomas wrote: Hi Keith, here are the headers of a message sent to me in Chinese. The mailer (not mentioned in these headers) is Outlook running under C-Win98. Delivery of this message was via our company LAN, not via the Internet. Note how the name of the encoding system (big5) is in the Subject line. Best regards, Thomas. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes... This is interesting. As expected, the subject line in the message you sent me is garbage until I run UnionWay AsianSuite and set it to Big 5; the subject then becomes good, readable Chinese. However, if I then "Show Kludges", the subject is identified as ISO-8859-1, in contrast to the subject header below, which correctly identifies it as Big 5. Keith ===8==This is a forwarded message= From: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999, 11:28:47 AM Subject: FW: Âà±H: ¤jô¤j¯f¬r Received: by NT1 id 01BEFC05.C2E0C8E0@NT1; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:28:48 +0800 Message-ID: 113D449CBA29D3118A1200E0180026E4061115@NT1 From: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:28:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ¥D¦®¡G¤jô¤j¯f¬r [...I have snipped the rest of the body, because it will display as garbage in your screen unless you have Big5 encoding] ===8===End of original message text=== Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New graphics...
Hi Steve Monday, October 11, 1999, you wrote to the list: SL Is it just me, or did someone forget to tell the nice people who created SL the nice new graphics that it would have been nice if the arrows on the SL up/down buttons actually pointed up and down respectively? I mean, one would SL think that would be a logical assumption to make about buttons that perform a SL task in a direction indicated. Geez. Agree wholeheartedly. Most disappointing. -- Sincerely, Jack LaRosamail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alabama, USA Message created 10:52:36 AM (GMT-6) on Saturday, October 16, 1999 = Using The Bat! ver. 1.36 (reg) under Windows 95 ver.4.0 build 1212 Service Pack B = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ! and CJK
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 12:21:47 AM, Thomas wrote: Hi Keith, §A¦n¡A §Ú¬O¦ó«a¼w a message for you in Chinese, as requested. ;-) Again, good Chinese--with third-party support (UnionWay). And again, the content-type header says ISO-8859-1 Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Can Thai be used??
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 1:41:52 AM, tracer wrote: Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Question, due to all these language questions I dug up some stuff and as long as I cannot select a simple Thai font with external switch (which exist) I see no easy way to get Thai in the BAT. I see Thai is on the list of languages in the conversion tables but tables donot seem to be setup. To what conversion tables to you refer, Tracer? I don't see it. 1. IS Thai setup? 2. If not, CAN it be setup and how? 3. How complex to select from ALL fonts in the control panel? I'll anxiously await the answers, with you. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 16 Oct 99, at 2:14, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: PGP Check Signature does not wo": English isnt the most suitable language to use to pronounce/spell foreign language pronounciation That's why here we are using "Transliteration" whenever we're sending something in Russian to a receipient who has no Russian fonts available:-) This is a one-to-one translation of Russian letters to the (sequences) of Latin characters. My own full name will then become: (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew Which is why I went for a more phonetic spelling than an English spelling. ah is clearly a short a whereas ae or aye would be the long. I could also just spell it phonetically in Esperanto if it would fit. Vaceslavovitcx. :P Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't got the proper pronunciation:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Almost anything is easier to get into than out of. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
=?KOI8-R?Q?Re:_Fwd:_FW:_=F7=C1H:_j=C6jfr?=
Hi there! On 16 Oct 99, at 9:53, Keith Russell wrote about "Re: Fwd: FW: ÷Á±H: ¤jƤjf¬r": The mailer (not mentioned in these headers) is Outlook running under C-Win98. Delivery of this message was via our company LAN, not via the Internet. Note how the name of the encoding system (big5) is in the Subject line. This is due to RFCs. Look yourself. The Subject line (when not in plain ASCII) *must* be encoded to either QP (q-type) or Base64 (b-type), and the encoding used must be specified there. Upon receiving, the e-mail reader automatically decodes it and never shows you the "garbage" it actually is. BTW, TB always encodes the subject field to B-type (base64), although RFCs say that this has to happen only in the case when the *major* part of the Subject: field is non-ASCII... Once more, look through RFC2047 for the details. It's in plain English:-) Hence it must be much clearer for you then my own writings:-)) Yes... This is interesting. As expected, the subject line in the message you sent me is garbage until I run UnionWay AsianSuite and set it to Big 5; the subject then becomes good, readable Chinese. However, if I then "Show Kludges", the subject is identified as ISO-8859-1, in contrast to the subject header below, which correctly identifies it as Big 5. It in fact doesn't matter. Two cases: 1. with ISO-8859-1 it supposedly works this way: a. Some text in Double-byte language (DBL from now on); b. Each byte is encoded to ISO-8859-1; c. The header states "ISO-8859-1"; d. On the receipient's end *his* e-mail reader needn't even to know that this was in DBL; it just decodes it *from* ISO-8859-1 byte-by-byte... Of course, the sequence of bytes is okay now, equivalent to what was on the sender's end; e. Now provided that the system supports DBL (fonts etc.) it just "glues" each pair of bytes together and displays it OK. 2. with Big5 (or any other double-byte encoding) it works as it should, look through RFCs (again, RFCs 2045--2048). So well, now, having wrote all this, I cannot tell you for sure how it works in the case of TB. What I *do* know is that the guys using Pegasus with Chineeze use ISO-8859-1 without any problems (as far as I understood them). Simply Pegasus doesn't support Big5 or any other bouble-byte encoding directly. And another thing: I cannot understand, where [the hell] TB leads to errors? What happens if you specify ISO-8859-1 as the default encoding, then modify the X-LAT for ISO-8859-1 to use the proper font and script? Now if you try to send the message in DBL to yourself, can you read it? Can somebody else read it? And why? Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?= Once again, it's just a properly formed MIME Subject line... In Base64 encoding. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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(No Subject)
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OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Saturday, October 16, 1999, 10:21:13 AM, Alexander wrote: either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't got the proper pronunciation:-)) The latter. Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds. 1 sound per letter, obviously. It also has several other sounds which are made when a small selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English. In fact, I think the only sounds which require a different sound and have two letters are aj, ej, ij, oj, uj, uxj. Uxj I'm not so sure about. I've only studied it off and on for a few weeks of "real-time" in the past 3-4 months. :/ Anyway, my name (StEEv) doesn't translate into Esperanto and look the same. Stiv/o (Steev/Stee-vo). So I decided to use Stefan/o (Steh-fahn/Steh-fah-no) which I think looks closer, flows better in that language and, gosh darn it, sounds nice. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: New graphics...
Hi Jack - Saturday, October 16, 1999, 10:53:38 AM, you wrote: SL Is it just me, or did someone forget to tell the nice people who created SL the nice new graphics that it would have been nice if the arrows on the SL up/down buttons actually pointed up and down respectively? I mean, one would SL think that would be a logical assumption to make about buttons that perform a SL task in a direction indicated. Geez. JL Agree wholeheartedly. Most disappointing. Hmmm... I think left arrow for previous and right arrow for next is pretty intuitive. I personally like them... :-) -- Mark Worshammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plano, TX USA -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello, The Bat Users! SL When the reply-to and from fields differ, offer the user the choice of SL which to use. While RFC822 states that reply-to should be used it does not SL state that it must be used to the exclusion of from. Furthermore, since 822 SL does allow for mailing lists to use the reply-to to redirect replies back to SL the list by default there are times when a user will want to easily reply to SL the originator of the message and not to the list as a whole. May be a new button or a pull-down menu (as one under the Get mail button) item would be a better way then a pop-up dialog every time the user hits Reply? -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on an AMD-K5-133 with 32Mb EDO 60ns RAM and Samsung WNR-31601A 1.6Gb hard disk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: auto-complete not working in address fields
Hello, The Bat Users! TF Does anyone know why my auto-complete function has stopped TF working in the address fields? I was using TB! 1.31 and the TF auto-complete function stopped recognizing any of my groups. I TF never could figure out why. Now I've upgraded to TB! 1.36 and the TF auto-complete feature doesn't work at all. Any assistance is TF appreciated. What you mean by "auto-complete address function"? Ctrl+Plus? It works pretty well here (but not for groups). -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B on an AMD-K5-133 with 32Mb EDO 60ns RAM and Samsung WNR-31601A 1.6Gb hard disk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Repost: Dispatch Mail on Server
Hello, The Bat Users! KR Yes, I had figured this one out, as well. It's a nuisance to have KR to check them manually, though. Look at the menu. There are some items to check all the messages and to invert selection. I don't remember their names, sorry. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B on an AMD-K5-133 with 32Mb EDO 60ns RAM and Samsung WNR-31601A 1.6Gb hard disk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi there! On 16 Oct 99, at 12:14, Steve Lamb wrote about "OT: Laguanges and names, really, ho": The latter. Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds. 1 sound per letter, obviously. It also has several other sounds which are made when a small selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English. In fact, I think the only sounds which require a different sound and have two letters are aj, ej, ij, oj, uj, uxj. Uxj I'm not so sure about. I've only studied it off and on for a few weeks of "real-time" in the past 3-4 months. :/ AFAIK, I've once heard a discussion 'bout "Esperanto and Russian", and I believe it was said that some modifications to Esperanto are needed to match Russian pronunciation. Russian is in fact much "write as you hear it" language (well, actually Byellorussian language *is* exactly, but in Russian there exist heaps of local dialects, so... but the overall idea is that, as I get it). So well, 33 symbols, 31 "basic" sounds, plus 2 symbols to achieve "special effects" like to make this particular consonant softer or harder. Can't get how you fit it all into 28 characters (even with modifiers). Especially taking into account, for example, the letter "a", which in English is pronounced you know how, and in American English even more then that -- but in Russian *that* pronunciation is denoted by another letter, whilst "a" is always pronounced as "ar". Anyway, my name (StEEv) doesn't translate into Esperanto and look the same. Stiv/o (Steev/Stee-vo). So I decided to use Stefan/o (Steh-fahn/Steh-fah-no) which I think looks closer, flows better in that language and, gosh darn it, sounds nice. :) Well, *for me* StEEv and Stiv (with "i" pronounced as in Sting) are absolutely the same, or else my tongue will refuse to work:- )) Damn it, I still cannot force myself to pronounce "pronunciation" correctly.. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: To err is Human. To blame someone else is politics. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New graphics...
Hi all, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 2:32:43 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled: Hmmm... I think left arrow for previous and right arrow for next is pretty intuitive. I personally like them... :-) I would agree if prev/next were left and right of the current message. However, in the list view, they are up and down. Yes, the change is less intuitive. -- Regards, -=Ali=- GURU: One who knows more jargon than you. *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: delete key deletes msg instead of block of msgs I am editing
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Marck, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Marck On 16 October 1999 at 11:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t I just managed to delete some messages including some I was going to t answer as I highlighted a block of text, and pressed delete, Marck Perhaps the focus had accidentally slipped to the message list before Marck you hit Delete. In this case, the text in the preview pane would have Marck remained visibly selected. The only visual clue of the change of focus Marck is that the message selection highlight in the message list changes from Marck (on my PC) gray to blue. Marck In case you didn't realize, the deleted messages would only have been Marck moved to the Trash folder and can easily be retrieved in the case of Marck such accidents. As long as one doesnt restart the Bat, I have had my settings on imediate purge for a long time, but I now changed it just in case Odd that this happened, I have never seen that before since I used the program.. Marck Cheers, Marck Marck Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Can Thai be used??
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Thomas, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hallo tracer, Thomas On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 3:41:52 PM, tracer wrote: t 1. IS Thai setup? Thomas You need a Thai driver. I have never worked with X-LAT tables, though. Thomas Thai drivers come with Thai Windows. If you have stripped Thai out of Thomas it because you want the English-only version, you'll have to get the Thomas drivers from Chula or KU or Nectec or anywhere. Not a problem, since Thomas you are in the software circles in Thailand, really. But then, why Thomas would you use Thai fonts if you have taken the effort of making your Thomas Windows English-only? I use USA based 98 release 2. I have the Chula and other stuff like that obviously. I myself donot need it but most of our customers are foreigners who want English for themselves BUT have Thai secretaries/girlfriends/wifes etc. Stability wise English windows is preferred, not in the least as most of the OTHER programs they run are English. So its of interest to have programs which can type /read Thai but NOT require the real Thai Windows. Email most certainly falls in that category, and a program which cannot do that misses part of the market ... Conversion tables are with Thai not the whole story anyway I would suspect... t 2. If not, CAN it be setup and how? t 3. How complex to select from ALL fonts in the control panel? Thomas You have all the monospaced fonts right there in TB!, no need to go to Thomas the Control Panel. Options/Editor Preferences/Display/Change, and Thomas voila: no need to set up anything. It's as easy as that. Can one add fonts to that list? Or are any monospaced fonts automaticaly shown? In which case I have to do a better search of my fonts or have a look on a Thai system with the bat... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Keith, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Keith Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith On Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:12:57 PM, Thomas wrote: Keith [snip KR "Mixed language versions" like Thai? I don't understand what you're KR saying here. Dual-language versions. The Thai Windows is actualy Thai/English. Used it for nine years ;-) Keith So the ONLY version of Thai Windows is mixed? Interesting and very bugridden until the 98 version. That one is quite odd as if you install Thai office windows complains about DLL comflicts... I think they took an USA version and added some files/patched the registry up to cause minimal interference.. Keith The envy is just oozing here It gets a bit boring, I used to travel around a lot and Thailand outside Bangkok lacks some proper civilised social life (g) Thai has a small utility from a local university which works fine, KR Small utility that does what? I'd like to know which one you mean. I would also like to know which encoding system you think is more widely used: Chula or KU? I don't have a Thai Windows any more, and when I did, I didn't look what they use. Chula, its in my opinion the only one which works with minimal interference and no problem to the OS. With the proper font it should work on Thai as well. Translation tables very likely arent the solution anyway as some characters are combined... But you have a choice of different fonts, as Thais can be very creative. g depends on how you interprete that... However one thing to remember is that a font looking good to us may be disliked by the locals as difficult to read... I remember some multilanguage word processor and I showed the wife the font used and acc to here it just 'didnt look right'... And that probably goes for many non ABC fonts. (sorry, snipped a LOT!!) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Can Thai be used??
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Ok, no idea if small jpegs are apreciated so those I will send to thomas(g) : 4 of them add up to 100k... (after I recover them, deleted them when removing them from this email...) Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Keith Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 1:41:52 AM, tracer wrote: Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Question, due to all these language questions I dug up some stuff and as long as I cannot select a simple Thai font with external switch (which exist) I see no easy way to get Thai in the BAT. I see Thai is on the list of languages in the conversion tables but tables donot seem to be setup. probably the wrong choice of words as under Thai windows it may do the job... Keith To what conversion tables to you refer, Tracer? I don't see it. Xlat allows Thai to be added, AND one can select it after restart but as there isnt a suitable font under English windows I think it requires a font to be selected with Thai after which the table can do its work. Or one uses under standard settings the Chula switcher. I expect the last to work better! Keith I'll anxiously await the answers, with you. Keith Keith Russell Keith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Alexander, Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote: Alexander Hi there! Alexander On 16 Oct 99, at 2:14, Steve Lamb wrote Alexander about "Re: PGP Check Signature does not wo": English isnt the most suitable language to use to pronounce/spell foreign language pronounciation Alexander That's why here we are using "Transliteration" whenever we're Alexander sending something in Russian to a receipient who has no Alexander Russian fonts available:-) This is a one-to-one translation of Alexander Russian letters to the (sequences) of Latin characters. My own Alexander full name will then become: Alexander (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev Alexander (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew Now I see the tonguebreaker... Wouldnt it be easier if you could remove one part in the middle name... Which is why I went for a more phonetic spelling than an English spelling. ah is clearly a short a whereas ae or aye would be the long. I could also just spell it phonetically in Esperanto if it would fit. Vaceslavovitcx. :P Alexander Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first Alexander "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's Alexander common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as Alexander two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced Alexander exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So Alexander either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't Alexander got the proper pronunciation:-)) Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it... I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly translated so it sounded the same... Alexander SY, Alex Alexander (St.Petersburg, Russia) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Suggestion: Warn if no subject entered
Hi Nick Tuesday, October 12, 1999, you wrote to the list: ND Personally, I find those "idiot light" type warnings irritating as ND all heck. I'm always thinking "If I wanted a damn subject I would ND have put a damn subject" as I press the OK button. Just add a default ND to your template and then change it if needed, at least you'll have ND something there. Like - "This would be different if I didn't forget to ND change it". I think your suggestion is a good one, frivolous or not. But where does the *%SUBJ This would be...* get placed so that it appears in the subject line? -- Sincerely, Jack LaRosamail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alabama, USA Message created 11:37:31 PM (GMT-6) on Saturday, October 16, 1999 = Using The Bat! ver. 1.36 (reg) under Windows 95 ver.4.0 build 1212 Service Pack B = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 11:06:13 AM, Andrew wrote: Hello, The Bat Users! SL When the reply-to and from fields differ, offer the user the choice of SL which to use. While RFC822 states that reply-to should be used it does not SL state that it must be used to the exclusion of from. Furthermore, since 822 SL does allow for mailing lists to use the reply-to to redirect replies back to SL the list by default there are times when a user will want to easily reply to SL the originator of the message and not to the list as a whole. May be a new button or a pull-down menu (as one under the Get mail button) item would be a better way then a pop-up dialog every time the user hits Reply? I hate to keep referring to other programs, but Agent and Becky! have SO many nice features that I hope TB would emulate Becky handles this one really nicely. On the bar separating the message list from the preview pane, there is an icon called "Check Addresses". If you click on this icon, it brings up the From, Sender, Reply-To, To, and Cc fields with their contents. Among other things, you can click on the addresses you want to reply to, then click on a "Reply to the Address" button, and you've accomplished what you wanted. It's very flexible. If you just want to reply to the Reply-To address, or Reply to All, there are icons for these; you don't have to use Check Addresses unless you want the added flexibility. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Language and Windows was - Re: ! and CJK
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:05:29 PM, Leif wrote: Thomas, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, at 0:20 you wrote: TF I've never seen it, because everybody told me not to buy it. But I TF know that there is also a Japanese/English Win98, because I know TF someone who has the biggest troubles with it. Yeah, I'm using the Japanese/English version on my laptop. It's a bit more unstable than English Win98. So, Leif, do you read and write Japanese? Are you able to use it with The Bat? Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Re: Fwd: FW: H: jjfr
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, October 16, 1999, 1:12:27 PM, Alexander wrote: [good info snipped] Yes... This is interesting. As expected, the subject line in the message you sent me is garbage until I run UnionWay AsianSuite and set it to Big 5; the subject then becomes good, readable Chinese. However, if I then "Show Kludges", the subject is identified as ISO-8859-1, in contrast to the subject header below, which correctly identifies it as Big 5. It in fact doesn't matter. Two cases: 1. with ISO-8859-1 it supposedly works this way: a. Some text in Double-byte language (DBL from now on); b. Each byte is encoded to ISO-8859-1; c. The header states "ISO-8859-1"; d. On the receipient's end *his* e-mail reader needn't even to know that this was in DBL; it just decodes it *from* ISO-8859-1 byte-by-byte... Of course, the sequence of bytes is okay now, equivalent to what was on the sender's end; e. Now provided that the system supports DBL (fonts etc.) it just "glues" each pair of bytes together and displays it OK. 2. with Big5 (or any other double-byte encoding) it works as it should, look through RFCs (again, RFCs 2045--2048). Thanks for the RFC pointers. I think I've read all these in the past, but could obviously use a review. When you say "it doesn't matter" above, do you mean: 1. Even with ISO-8859-1, it will display properly, or 2. The RFCs say it doesn't matter. In other words, is this standard-compliant behavior? So well, now, having wrote all this, I cannot tell you for sure how it works in the case of TB. What I *do* know is that the guys using Pegasus with Chineeze use ISO-8859-1 without any problems (as far as I understood them). Simply Pegasus doesn't support Big5 or any other bouble-byte encoding directly. Very interesting. And another thing: I cannot understand, where [the hell] TB leads to errors? What happens if you specify ISO-8859-1 as the default encoding, then modify the X-LAT for ISO-8859-1 to use the proper font and script? Now if you try to send the message in DBL to yourself, can you read it? Can somebody else read it? And why? Good questions. Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?= Once again, it's just a properly formed MIME Subject line... In Base64 encoding. Yes. Thanks for jumping in here, Alexander. Sometimes I act like I understand this stuff, but when it comes right down to it, there's so much to know, and I really understand relatively little Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
