Re[2]: Message size indicators
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Saturday, November 27, 1999, Sashka wrote to Ali Martin about Message size indicators: AM I assume that the number followed by 'b' in the right upper corner of AM the message headers display bar is the message size. What makes it AM differ from the message sizes shown in the message list? S in message list shown size of full message, including headers, etc. S In message view window shown size of message itself, without headers. Just press Ctrl-Shift-K and you'll see. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Can you help me!!!
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.34a under Windows 98 4.10 Build 2184 .1 and would like to report a problem: when I runing the bat fellows message was show to me: Message base garbage detected. Broken data is saved to C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\info\inbox\bad51A5.tmp Please contact your technical support about repairing the message base! * My all messages in inbox are missing!!! there have many important date!! please help me to repair it! Thanks!! my email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.34a under Windows 98 4.10 Build 2184 .1 and would like to report a problem: when I runing the bat fellows message was show to me: Message base garbage detected. Broken data is saved to C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\info\inbox\bad51A5.tmp Please contact your technical support about repairing the message base! * My all messages in inbox are missing!!! there have many important date!! please help me to repair it! Thanks!! my email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can you help me!!!
LIU, Sure thing, go to the TBUDL FAQ at: http://216.149.14.37/thebat/howdoi.shtml Click 'Messages' and see the entry for corrupt message bases. On Monday, November 29, 1999, at 23:22 you wrote: LT LT Message base garbage detected. LT Broken data is saved to LT My all messages in inbox are missing!!! there have many LT important date!! please help me to repair it! A "Cashless God". Is THAT what they mean by "non Denominational" Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Trouble with Conversion
I have been using Pegasus E-mail Program. I'm trying to convert the files from Pegasus to the Bat! No luck. The address book will not convert no matter what I do. The tab delimited or comma delimited conversion does not work. Is something missing in the direcitons? Also, the unix box conversion is a mess. Can anyone help me? Please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm really stuck! Kindest regards, Ethan J. Mings The Desk -- "Solutions for Strategic Questions" 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815, Oakville, Ontario. Canada L6L 3B7 Website at http://www.ejmings.com E-mail "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Phone 1 (905) 825-9938 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Hi there! On 28 Nov 99, at 18:26, Douglas Hinds wrote about "Re[2]: Activating only certain filt": Sunday, November 28, 1999, 3:59:02 PM, Alexander wrote what follows below (reformatted) and I would like him to explain why the filtering he describes in relation to the messages he receives (all of which is close to what I have in mind, particularly the filtering done to those messages dealing with his work), can't be fully implemented in TB. Okay, I'll try:-) Forgive me any inaccuracies you'll find in my descriptions of how TB's filtering works, I've never used it extensively. 1. Managing the Inbox. What essentially is done to my Inbox in Pegasus? On every _opening_, the messages get filtered from it to the \Unread\... hierarchy. This can be implemented with TB all right. But then, on _closing_ of Inbox, *some* messages get filtered to the other folders as well (such as delivery confirmations, messages from my ISP, etc. The crux of the matter here is that I usually just need to *see* them, but don't need to read these, at least on the regular basis). In TB this part cannot be implemented, therefore one would need to implement this part as "Read" type filters. But then I would *have* to open *each* of the delivery confirmations to get them filtered where I want them to go to, which isn't the thing I would like to do... In many cases, it's quite enough to *look* at the delivery conf in the folder listing to say, where it came from and what does this all mean. Following this idea, in Pegasus I have set up a filter that *automatically* marks all the delivery-type messages with pale gray colour in the Inbox, so that I could just skip these messages... TB's filtering won't allow me this, too. 2. Dealing with mailing lists traffic. Let me remind you, that in Pegasus the, say, TBUDL list traffic gets filtered from my Inbox to the Unread\TBUDL folder, where it's sorted _by_thread_ (actually, Pegasus doesn't do threading, it rather sorts by subject _and_ by date simultaneously, which only mimicks proper threading...). There I read this traffic, and *every time i close this folder* the read messages get filtered to Archive\TBUDL. If I were to implement this in TB, I would clearly be limited to using the "Read" filters. This would result in autofiltering *each* message that I haven't deleted upon reading to Archive\TBUDL right after I open the next message in the folder. This is not the thing I would want to happen. Consider the following: a. threading would become corrupted now and then; b. usually I read the TBUDL traffic this way: read the first message, then either delete it or keep for the future replying; go to the next message etc. Then when I have finished with reading, I start replying. But in TB this would mean that the messages I kept for replying are *already* in Archive\TBUDL:- (( Together with heaps of older messages, some of which have been replied to --- but some have been kept just 'coz they contain some valuable information. Then note please, that after I reply to some of TBUDL messages I _usually_ delete the message itself (since I knew how to answer the question contained in it, there is not much sense in keeping it anyway...). Therefore with TB I would end up deleting the messages from the Archive folder (which is set to be read only in Pegasus right now:-) To pevent the things that you usually put as "shit happens" out there:-))). So well, the consideration above leads me to conclusion that the filter moving messages from Unread\TBUDL to Archive\TBUDL would need to be "manual only". But then there exists another objective. Note that having "re-filtered" folder (say, Unread\TBUDL) I would end up applying *all* my "manual- only" filters to the Unread\TBUDL folder. Then this is a ground to erratic filtering. Just for example: suppose someone is my personal friend, suppose I've got a "manual only" filter somewhere on the system moving the messages from him to \Friends; suppose then that this person is a member of TBUDL. Then I'm likely to filter his TBUDL messages to the \Friends folder... An example showing the possibility of "reverse" behaviour can be easily constructed also. In short: the current behaviour of TB implies, that I *have* to have all my filtering systen in mind when working with the program. I need to consider all the time, *how* to re-filter, *how* to set up a new filter, etc., etc --- and to be beware of possible oddities:-). This seems to be counter-productive: in Pegasus, I just set up a filter, check how it works and then happily forget about its existence. Finally, in Pegasus *all* the filters that might be automatically applied to one specific folder are listed in one and the same place, which makes it simple to maintain them (that is, there exists a ruleset that is applied when the folder is opened --- and respectively a ruleset that's applied when the folder is closed), OTOH when I choose
Re: Trouble with Conversion
Hi there! On 29 Nov 99, at 22:10, Ethan J. Mings wrote about "Trouble with Conversion": I have been using Pegasus E-mail Program. I'm trying to convert the files from Pegasus to the Bat! No luck. So: have you converted the pmail-type folders? This worked for me all right. The address book will not convert no matter what I do. Get Mail System Converter software (look for the URL at the Pegasus-related stuff page, www.let.rug.nl/pegasus) and convert your Pegasus addressbook to Eudora 2 format, then import it to TB. The tab delimited or comma delimited conversion does not work. Is something missing in the direcitons? Also, the unix box conversion is a mess. Goto Tools--Import from Unix mailbox and point it to the *mbx files in your Pegasus New mail directory. Just checked, works all right. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: How do you make Windows faster? Throw it harder! --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Moved The Bat!
Friday, November 26, 1999, 7:56:58 PM, Andreas wrote: Problem is, that all the attachments I have ever received are related to the old attachment path D:\Dfue\The Bat!\Attaches. This path information is stored in the mails. How can I change them to the new directory?? Just as aside, but another good example of why absolute paths are bad and relative paths are good. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TBUDL/TBBETA FAQ
Hello users, Ok, I finally got off of my butt and got a long way with the FAQ. It is by no means finished, but I wanted you all to take a look at it and give me your feedback OFF-LIST! Does the navigation of it make sense? Are any of the entries incorrect or outdated? Many of the items in the FAQ were not actually experienced by me, so there may be something in there that has been fixed. Let me know if you find one. I tried very hard to give credit where credit was due. You'll find people's names above each "fix" in the FAQ. Sometimes it wasn't possible to find who the original contributor was, so I took the best educated guess. I also tried to keep as much as possible, the actual message intact, but some of them required formatting, punctuation, grammar, spelling, and contextual additions. If you disagree with how I listed your contribution, please let me know. I tried to use contributions based on who posted it first, but there were a few that I used later postings because they were more complete or easier to understand. If you don't have a problem with it, I would like to make your name in the FAQ a link to your e-mail address. However, I will need your permission to do this. There was one exception in which I already put in the e-mail address, because his contribution included directions for him sending a Perl script. If this is not acceptable, please let me know and I'll remove it. I am sure there are a good number of other things that need to go into this FAQ. If you have a contribution, please send it to me. However, try to remember that FAQ stands for *frequently* asked questions. This FAQ would become quite unmanageable if we put *everything* in it. There will eventually be a CGI form for people to send entries to me. Also, don't link to this FAQ quite yet as I am waiting for the DNS entries to pick up my domain name. Right now you can see it at: http://216.149.14.37/thebat/faq.shtml Once I get the DNS entries resolved, it will become: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Well, that should do it. I'm looking forward to your feedback. BTW, I have tried repeatedly to contact Alexander Leschinsky to get a copy of the latest Wish list to post to the FAQ also. However, I haven't heard anything from him. If someone knows where he is, or has a pretty recent edition of the wish list, please send it to me. If Alexander is not going to continue with the wish list, would anyone out there be willing to become the sacred keeper of said wish list? I also need a copy of the latest keyboard shortcuts list out there. Whoever is the keeper of that one, please send it to me so I can put it in the FAQ. Ok, ok, I'm done. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Paula all fellow TBUDL members, Monday, November 29, 1999, 12:13:40 AM, Paula wrote in response to my saying in relation to Alex's claim that the filtering system he's using in Pegasus is not possible using TB: I would also like anyone who believes that this *can* be done using TB (as Paula suggested), to elucidate on that as well: PF Why don't you give us some specifics about your needs and we can PF help construct some methods for you? At the moment, doing what Alex said he's doing in Pegasus would be a good place to start. I would prefer that because the logic he describes is very similar to what I want to and have begun to do; and he's already written it out, w/ a little reformatting added by me in my post. (If you don't mind). Best regards, Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Hi there! On 29 Nov 99, at 13:32, Douglas Hinds wrote about "Re[2]: Activating only certain filt": Monday, November 29, 1999, 12:13:40 AM, Paula wrote in response to my saying in relation to Alex's claim that the filtering system he's using in Pegasus is not possible using TB: PF Why don't you give us some specifics about your needs and we can PF help construct some methods for you? At the moment, doing what Alex said he's doing in Pegasus would be a good place to start. I would prefer that because the logic he describes is very similar to what I want to and have begun to do; Nice to hear:-) Well, in a sense you can do all the same with TB, as I described already... But well, to be frank with you, in Pegasus it's done in a more simple and logical manner (naturally: FYI, Pegasus was the first e-mail program *ever* to support filtering...). So the "dry remainder" is something like: TB has better GUI (yes, I have to admit the fact), it has *much better* multilingual support (Pegasus hardly has any), but, and that's the crux of the matter *for me*, in Pegasus you can do *much more*. It doesn't mean that Pegasus is somehow bloated, it's hardly larger then TB (and Pegasus is NOT exe- packed; just tried to unpack TB beta 4, resulting exe file over 3 megs:-))) Procdump it was...); it simply offers you more ways of doing things. Some of them *I* use on a daily basis, hence, although I'd love to switch to TB (mainly due to its 8-bit support which's excellent), I don't think I will do so right now. More likely, after I get TB ver.2 and test it... he's already written it out, w/ a little reformatting added by me in my post. (If you don't mind). Of course I do not:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Work expands to exceed available time --- Parkinson's Law --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
The Bat! - bug report
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A and would like to report a bug The bug description: Printing on an Epson stylus color 760 does not work under TB. The Epson control panel pops up and disappears immediately. If its of any interest: the printer is connected via USB. Other application print well. Steps to reproduce the bug: click on the print button ;-) Questions to TBUDL: - any tips on how to proceed or find a workaround? - how do I print to an USB printer in a DOS box? Regards, Wolfgang Kynast -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Swiss German keyboard shortcuts (was Re: Idiot Mode)
On Sunday, November 28, 1999, 1:49:02 AM, tracer wrote: I thought Swiss keyboards were essentially german keyboards with some French characters added in one group. They have some common differences to the US layout, but the difference ist rather big. With the 48 'white keys' (letters, numbers and special characters), there are some 120 different combinations (without Ctrl, just the printable characters). And of these 120 combo are only approximately 85 identical (55 letters, 10 numbers and 20 others) (and of these 85 combos, only about 65 are identical to the US layout) As I mentioned earlier, 99% sure is coupled to ASCII character codes so if you compare the Englisg/USA code with yours, it should be a matter of probably a simple translation excercise of codes to their equivalent stickers on the keys. What do you mean with ASCII character codes? Pressing the key that yields the same ASCII code and then apply the modifier keys? That works only for keys on the same 'layer' (unshifted/shifted). The often used characters /\[];= all need some modifier key on our keyboards, so if you have a Shift-/ or Ctrl-[ there is no simple translation because these Shift or Ctrl are already needed to get the character itself. On the other hand, just pressing the same physical key (same keycode) doesn't work either. Eg. the 'move to next/previous unread' are Ctrl-] / Ctrl-[ for the US layout (the last and second last key in the second row, IIRC). On my keyboard, these are the 'ü' and '¨' keys (the second is the diaeresis dead key). But the correct combo for these two commands are the two keys left of backspace, as i recently found out). The other example, the idiot mode key (US: Shift-Ctrl-Alt-/, / has keycode 61), the German and Swiss combo are each using a different key: German is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+#, # has keycode 51 (is that correct?) Swiss is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+§, § has keycode 49 Now which hidden algorithm ties all this together? Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: German Resident - Help wanted
Sorry for this off topic plea... I would sure appreciate a citizen of Germany contacting me off list for some assistance. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
(long but substantial) Hello Paula all fellow TBUDL members, Finally, I make the rule active *and* manual only and boom. It works. For all practical purposes then, *only active filters filter*, and they can be manual or not manual. PF Your confusion stems from being able to check "Manual only" on the PF filters page without having to check active. Is that "my" confusion or is that simply an option not explained in the TB help file? (Enter the word "manual" in the help index and all you'll get is manual connection to the internet). TBUDL *is* the TB help file. See anything below about active or manual only filtering? Sorting Office is implemented in The Bat! for auto-classification of incoming, outgoing, read and replied mail. Each of the above mentioned message flows can be sorted by folder, accordingly to its set of rules. Each rule is determined by its name, the source folder (for incoming mail it is always Inbox, for outgoing - Outbox and this cannot be changed), the target folder, sets of signal strings and defined actions. To create a new rule, open Account | Sorting Office/Filters dialogue, select the desired rule set (depending on what type of messages you want to classify) in the tree, and press New button. Related topics: Signal strings Filtering actions Using special syntax in signal strings Using The Bat! as a Maling List Server That's it. Check out the related topics if you like, but nothing's there on this point. PF I suppose this is done to allow users to activate and deactivate PF filters that they wish to apply manually. We are left to suppose, that's for sure. But nothing indicates the following: PF All filters must have the "Active" option checked to work. That is exactly the point. From there they can be either automatic or manual only. PF The "Manual filters only" option on the re-filter dialog is intended PF only to give you the option of applying only those filters that you have PF designated as "Manual only". Meaning that they don't get activated *until* *you* activate them. This problem could have been avoided simply by making the manual only option contingent on selecting active first, a very common button implementation (it would be grayed out until selecting active). Now, I would assume that have a active rule with manual only means that without selecting "manual only" it won't take effect when re-filtering, but this is not true - it will anyway. PF Right, thus the option on the re-filter dialog for "Manual filters PF only". Re-filtering without checking that option will invoke all active PF filters, regardless of whether or not the "Manual only" option is PF checked for the filter. The funky part is that the re-filtering menu asks for this, uselessly. PF So, what you have is: PF Active, Manual Only not checked - operate automatically when triggered PF by event OR operate on re-filtering if "Manual filters only" is not PF selected. Correct. PF Active, Manual Only checked - operate only on re-filtering. If "Manual PF filters only" is selected on re-filtering only these filters will be PF invoked. That's the whole ball of wax. PF Filters that are not marked "Active" are deactivated regardless of PF whether or not "Manual only" is checked. They are there to use if and when they're changed to active status. But none if this is explained anywhere. You yourself are just discovering these details. I don't find a consistent logic here. PF There is a logic there once you discover it. It doesn't seem PF counterintuitive to me that, for example, a filter has to be active to PF work. Right, there's a logic to it. The point is that it's a totally undocumented logic, which isn't very logical in itself when you consider that there's a universe of logical patterns that could be implemented for a given purpose. There is generally no one way of doing *anything*. But the logic chosen, whatever it is, should be specified. Call it what it is. Why be a party to an absence? TB needs a decent help file, but between TBUDL, fiddling around oneself and even resorting to the developers once in a while, the show will go on. I have been lumping Read Messages" and "Replied Messages" in with "Incoming Mail" conceptually, when as you point out, these are dealt with separately (not included when filtering "Incoming Mail"). PF This was an error on my part, going back to earlier versions of TB. PF Incoming Mail filters do, in fact, operate on _all_ messages in the PF InBox when using re-filtering. Sorry to add to the confusion. Your intentions were good. And that's what I mean about logic. There are a lot of ways to look at anything. When developing anything (software or otherwise) the important thing is to analyze the situation (determine options), set priorities, chart the most all inclusive and elegant course you can and then stick to it. But you've got to explain it, or some one
