Re: Filtering on server

2000-02-18 Thread John De Hoog

Leif Gregory wrote...

You can use "kill" filters to delete mail from the server before
downloading it. The kill filters are co-located with the new, read,
outgoing, and replied filters.

It would be nice, though, if someone, somewhere explained what the 
"Routing" filters actually filter on.


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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Steve Lamb

Friday, February 18, 2000, 9:44:13 AM, Allie wrote:
 I have seen enough improvements with it that I wish to keep
 it. You see, the track record differs. :)

I'm just glad that the general public got a clue and didn't camp out at
computer stores at midnight to buy it like the last two.  Jeez.  Camping out
for tickets to a band, yes.  For an OS, no.

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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Allie Martin

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:48:47 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:

 I'm just glad that the general public got a clue and didn't camp
 out at computer stores at midnight to buy it like the last two.
 Jeez.  Camping out for tickets to a band, yes.  For an OS, no.

Even for a band, no. :)

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Possible Bug / problem Reply 3

2000-02-18 Thread JWorley


Hi To All You BATty People,

 Thomas wrote:
J  I work with a bunch of Outlook / MS Office users and have noticed
J  something strange.  Whenever they forward a message to me that has an
J  attached document I do not get the attached file.  The Bat shows that
J  the message has an attachment.  But it will be displayed as something
J  like 7.MSG.  When I open it all I see is a blank message.  If I
J  receive the same forwarded message with another client the attachment
J  will invariably be there and show as Whatever.DOC or Whatsit.XLS.  Is
J  this a bug or am I missing something?  I can provide screen captures
J  to show the problem if necessary.
 
 I receive a lot of .doc and .xls attachments from Outlook users and
 have no problems with it.
 
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 Cheers,
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I did some digging and can now narrow the field a little more.  This
only happens when someone using Outlook receives a message with an
attachment and then forwards that message to me.  Interestingly
enough, the attachment does end up in the Attachment folder undre The
Bat.  I just cannot see the attachment in the message.  This may be an
IE/Win98 problem.  That still does not explain the screen captures I
included last time.  If this happens under TB then it should happen
under any client.

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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Dieter Hummel

Hello Listmembers,

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 09:48:47 [GMT -0800] Steve Lamb wrote:

 Camping out for tickets to a band, yes. For an OS, no.

Especially when you get it prior to public release ;-)


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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Dieter Hummel

Hello Listmembers,

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 12:54:11 [GMT  -0500] Allie Martin wrote:

 Even for a band, no. :)

There's  ONE I would: Pink Floyd (not really me in person - I would send
some one because old bones will suffer in the cold :-)


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Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3

2000-02-18 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello JWorley,


On  Friday, February 18, 2000  at  13:10:03 GMT -0600 (which was 11:10 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:



 Hi To All You BATty People,

 I did some digging and can now narrow the field a little more.  This
 only happens when someone using Outlook receives a message with an
 attachment and then forwards that message to me.  Interestingly
 enough, the attachment does end up in the Attachment folder undre The
 Bat.  I just cannot see the attachment in the message.  This may be an
 IE/Win98 problem.  That still does not explain the screen captures I
 included last time.  If this happens under TB then it should happen
 under any client.

 Next time you get one of those, open the "attachment" so you see the
 blank message. Then in that window hit ctrl-shift-k. This sounds like
 a problem that I had recently. What it turned out to be was that the
 people forwarding me messages were using GroupWise. For some reason,
 GroupWise removes the blank line that separates Headers from the
 message body. So TB thought that the message was a blank message with
 a whole bunch of headers. That meant to view the message I had to use
 the Show Kludges/Show RFC-822 Headers option. See if that works.


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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Allie Martin

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:36:19 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote:

 Camping out for tickets to a band, yes. For an OS, no.

 Especially when you get it prior to public release ;-)

Funny, many like myself, who have the opportunity to be
running it prior to it's official launch did nothing of the sort to
obtain the copy. This one 'fell in my lap', so to speak, just as NT4
did in my irrational Microsoft hate days. :)

Anyway 

I wonder if the new message windows tendency to open with a
cascade type effect even if you open a single new message window at a
time could be fixed. One has to be repeatedly adjusting the position.

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CC in Groups

2000-02-18 Thread letter

Hello all,

when writing mails concerning a certain project, I usually send it to
all involved programmers. I've set up a group for this and it works
fine. But the manager usually gets the message as a CC. When I write
to a group, everyone gets a message and not a copy.

Although it doesn't make much difference: Is there a way to set up a
group so that some members get the message and some get a copy of it?



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Re: Merge Group with Template

2000-02-18 Thread Paula Ford

On Friday, February 18, 2000, Ian Bowes wrote:

   Is it possible to have a group of 30 members of the address book,
   and send the same message to each person, but customising the 'Dear
   Joe' salutation?

I don't see any way to do what you want, Ian. TB reads what is in the
TO: field, then uses that data in the %TO variable. If it's a group
name, that's what gets used. If you have more than one individual
address in the TO: field, everyone's message will say "Dear [first name
in list]". I don't think TB actually does a mail merge on the fly. I
think it creates the message once, then sends it to the list of
recipients.

Allie, you're not understanding what Ian wants to do.

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Re: CC in Groups

2000-02-18 Thread Paula Ford

On Friday, February 18, 2000, letter wrote:

snip

 Although it doesn't make much difference: Is there a way to set up a
 group so that some members get the message and some get a copy of it?

One way would be to make a group of the primary recipients, create
specific templates for that group, specify the CC's in the template
using %CC="". You could do a similar thing for folder templates, then
initiate new messages and replies from that folder.

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Re: Merge Group with Template

2000-02-18 Thread Allie Martin

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:13:11 -0500, Paula Ford wrote:

 I don't see any way to do what you want, Ian. TB reads what is in the
 TO: field, then uses that data in the %TO variable. If it's a group
 name, that's what gets used. If you have more than one individual
 address in the TO: field, everyone's message will say "Dear [first name
 in list]". I don't think TB actually does a mail merge on the fly. I
 think it creates the message once, then sends it to the list of
 recipients.

 Allie, you're not understanding what Ian wants to do.

Eeee, yes??? .

pause

Anyway, it would seem to me from what you said above that Ian
wishes to write a single message to all recipients in a group with the
hope that each recipient will have their unique greeting by name. In
that case then I agree that there's no way of doing that. TB! would
have to generate separate messages to each recipient on the fly for
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Re[2]: Filtering Spam?

2000-02-18 Thread Simon

A Chara tracer,

Friday, February 18, 2000, 4:43:23 PM, you wrote:

t My expartner set up a veru rude email address on usa.net.
t Before they introduced filters to disallow them.
t However while the email address exists, sending mail to it is futile
t as USA.NET filters them out...

t I myself setup a box in USA.NET just to be able to specify an email
t address when browsing but the internal spam filters are setup to dump
t them directly if any mail arives.

I also use email accounts with free ISPs to aid with heave hoeing the jetsam!
Seems to be very effective must say.

In fact, there is one particular silly and FREE email site that allows up to 20
different aliases@domains: so, in a fit of infantile fun, I signed up for
20 addresses - many moons back - and ended up with such corkers as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. Well, just making
use of those cybersitters making use of their ill gotten gains ;-)

BTW: I don't get that much in the way of SPAM anymore. Eventually it
all goes quiet. The most mail I get nowadays is from this group. Only been signed
up to TBUDL a few days and must have acquired nearly 200 messages in
the TBUDL mailbox already. Perhaps I should start to think about filtering
that to ;-).

Slan, or even Nimm Sorge. Sprich zu dir spätere,

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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread Dieter Hummel

Hello Listmembers,

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 16:32:10 [GMT  -0500] Allie Martin wrote:

 I  wonder  if  the new message windows tendency to open with a cascade
 type  effect  even  if  you open a single new message window at a time
 could be fixed. One has to be repeatedly adjusting the position.

Guess I will keep NT4 on my main workstation for another long period...

[I  can't  see these wizards any longer... they're drivin' me nuts. It's
like  searching  for  easter  eggs  to  find  configs  expected anywhere
else...]

We'll see. I'll play around with it. I probably will like it some time.

Regards
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Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional

2000-02-18 Thread tracer

Hello Allie Martin,
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:44:13  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, February 19, 2000, 12:44:13 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


 On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:16:37 +0700, tracer wrote:

 Is there any problem of compatibility or is The Bat! totally Win2K
 compliant ? thanx for your answers :)

 I had no problem with the Bat under 2000 but then I didnt try all
 options. On the other hand I had enough problems with windows 2000 to
 dump it.

 I have seen enough improvements with it that I wish to keep
 it. You see, the track record differs. :)

I had no display on a clean install and that was really a problem  I
prefer to look at again in future when it may be fixed...
I have it running on other systems and its not bad but if your
hardware and software which is needed doesnt work..
My antivirus didnt work, except obviously the MS stuff they want you
to use and my Firewalls also didnt work. Add other things I need to
run on THIS machine and its clearly very user/machine dependent.




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Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3

2000-02-18 Thread tracer

Hello JWorley,
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:10:03 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, February 19, 2000, 2:10:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
JWorley wrote:



 Hi To All You BATty People,

  Thomas wrote:
J  I work with a bunch of Outlook / MS Office users and have noticed
J  something strange.  Whenever they forward a message to me that has an
J  attached document I do not get the attached file.  The Bat shows that
J  the message has an attachment.  But it will be displayed as something
J  like 7.MSG.  When I open it all I see is a blank message.  If I
J  receive the same forwarded message with another client the attachment
J  will invariably be there and show as Whatever.DOC or Whatsit.XLS.  Is
J  this a bug or am I missing something?  I can provide screen captures
J  to show the problem if necessary.
 
 I receive a lot of .doc and .xls attachments from Outlook users and
 have no problems with it.

I dump them and then tell the user that my server zaps exe, doc, xls,
bmp's as attachment and can they please zip or jpeg them and resend...
They do...
I see absolutely no need to have to receive bulky stuff if all they
need to do is to compress before sending it.
I blame it normally as part of antivirus protecion and anyway thats
true.
I have had sofar 2 emails with attachments from MS  which had a macro
virus...


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 Cheers,
 Thomas.
 I did some digging and can now narrow the field a little more.  This
 only happens when someone using Outlook receives a message with an
 attachment and then forwards that message to me.  Interestingly
 enough, the attachment does end up in the Attachment folder undre The
 Bat.  I just cannot see the attachment in the message.  This may be an
 IE/Win98 problem.  That still does not explain the screen captures I
 included last time.  If this happens under TB then it should happen
 under any client.

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Re: Filtering on server

2000-02-18 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello Nick,

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 07:35:49 [GMT -0800], you wrote:
NA Leif, is that information about the kill filters in the FAQ? I
NA can't remember reading that specific information about the kill
NA filters actually deleting right off the server. Has anyone yet
NA been able to explain Tom's question about "routing"?

No. I had thought it was in the Help file (a real quick check though,
and it didn't jump right out at me though.) I guess I should put it in
the FAQ because I've seen the question a few times.

I've used it quite a bit in the past (before I got my own domain name
and SPAM dropped to zero.)

It does delete messages off the server, but first TB will download all
the message headers, match your kill filter criteria, start
downloading messages, and then when it gets to a message that matched
your kill filter, it just skips over it and tells the server to delete
it.




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Re: Possible Bug / problem Reply 3

2000-02-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi tracer,

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:33:16 +0700GMT (19/02/2000, 09:33 +0800GMT),
tracer wrote:

 I receive a lot of .doc and .xls attachments from Outlook users and
 have no problems with it.

t I dump them and then tell the user that my server zaps exe, doc, xls,
t bmp's as attachment and can they please zip or jpeg them and resend...
t They do...

I can't do that; even my head office sends me .doc files and .xls
files. That's the difference between regular commercial business
(mine) and computer-related business (yours). It is even an
instruction to send the monthly financial results as Excel files. The
company is over 200 years old; for a German company, I should be happy
that they recognize email as a means of communication (introduced
last year!).

t I see absolutely no need to have to receive bulky stuff if all they
t need to do is to compress before sending it.

Head office even sent me a multi-page powerpoint presentation
uncompressed! I was about to delete the messages with the huge
attachments before downloading, but fortunately saw the sender before
doing that. ;-)

t I blame it normally as part of antivirus protecion and anyway thats
t true.
t I have had sofar 2 emails with attachments from MS  which had a macro
t virus...

My head office has a major firewall does catches more viruses (I
believe that's the most commonly-used plural g). Of course, I have
an always-updated fully-paid AV realtime protection programme running;
an absolute necessity.

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Re: Filtering on server

2000-02-18 Thread John De Hoog

Leif,

The question you still didn't address is: What is Routing? 

More specifically, when you set a string in a Routing kill filter, which 
headers does The Bat! examine to find that string? In my experiments it 
did not look at the To: header.

This really should be in the Help file.

Leif Gregory wrote...

 Has anyone yet
NA been able to explain Tom's question about "routing"?

No. I had thought it was in the Help file (a real quick check though,
and it didn't jump right out at me though.) I guess I should put it in
the FAQ because I've seen the question a few times.

I've used it quite a bit in the past (before I got my own domain name
and SPAM dropped to zero.)

It does delete messages off the server, but first TB will download all
the message headers, match your kill filter criteria, start
downloading messages, and then when it gets to a message that matched
your kill filter, it just skips over it and tells the server to delete
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Re: Filtering on server

2000-02-18 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello John, 

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 at 11:25:07 [GMT +0900], you wrote:
JDH The question you still didn't address is: What is Routing? More
JDH specifically, when you set a string in a Routing kill filter,
JDH which headers does The Bat! examine to find that string? In my
JDH experiments it did not look at the To: header.

JDH This really should be in the Help file.


Sorry, one of those things that you thought everybody knew.

Ok, the routing kill filters are matched based on the RECEIVED (from)
lines, which are basically a log of the hops the message took in
getting to you.

Because the spammer may have changed their FROM address, SUBJECT,
REPLY-TO, and TO info for each message they send, you can't
filter on that. This is where routing kill filters can come in handy.

Let's say you find out a bunch of your spam seems to pass through a
particular server which allows relaying (a spammers best friend), you
can kill messages based on that server appearing in the hop log
(RECEIVED (from)).

For example, take a look at the below headers from a message I had
sent to TBUDL a little while back.

Received: from thebat.dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com [202.134.1.243]) by mail.ave.com 
(8.9.2/8.8.8)
with ESMTP id JAA14327 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:07:31 -0500 (EST)
Received: from msa.att.ne.jp by thebat.dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.0.0n.R) for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:05:49 +0700
Received: from 20.gate5.mis.att.ne.jp (20.gate5.mis.att.ne.jp
[165.76.26.186]) by msa.att.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(11/04/99)) id XAA19318; Sat, 5 
Feb 2000 23:05:13 +0900 (JST)


Any text contained in the RECEIVED header can be used for the routing
kill filter, but you'll generally want to kill based on a server:

thebat.dutaint.com
ns2.dutaint.com
mail.ave.com
msa.att.ne.jp
20.gate5.mis.att.ne.jp
etc...


Ok, this should clear that issue up. I'll probably write a little
better explanation and stick it in the FAQ later.


Leif Gregory 

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