Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 1:58:21 AM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:

TF Hello Miles,

TF On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:27:27 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 10:27 +0800 GMT),
TF Miles Alexander wrote:

MA   If   an   incoming  transaction does not match *any* filters, I want
MA   to:

MA   * Flag it as found (possibly)

TF Make one one filter at the end, which does ntohing else but flag the
TF message.

MA   * Leave it on the server
MA   * If there are unknown transactions identified (read: spam and such)
MA   then  I want to automatically bring up the Dispatch to Server option
MA   so that I can ascertain what to do with the new email.

TF These feature can only be set per-account, not per-message. And also
TF not by filters.

MA   I  have  breezed through the manual (designed for experienced users)

TF Please advise where you got it, as I am interested in a copy.


Not  certain  if you are simply making light of the manual thing but I
copied  the online manual and created a .doc file for Word use. If you
would  like  a copy of that, I can ZIP it and send it to your email of
choice.

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Re[3]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Miles,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 6:08:30 AM, was when,
Miles typed the following:

MA Hello Thomas,

MA Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 1:58:21 AM, was when,
MA Thomas typed the following:

TF Hello Miles,

TF On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:27:27 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 10:27 +0800 GMT),
TF Miles Alexander wrote:

MA   If   an   incoming  transaction does not match *any* filters, I want
MA   to:

MA   * Flag it as found (possibly)

TF Make one one filter at the end, which does ntohing else but flag the
TF message.

MA   * Leave it on the server
MA   * If there are unknown transactions identified (read: spam and such)
MA   then  I want to automatically bring up the Dispatch to Server option
MA   so that I can ascertain what to do with the new email.

TF These feature can only be set per-account, not per-message. And also
TF not by filters.

MA   I  have  breezed through the manual (designed for experienced users)

TF Please advise where you got it, as I am interested in a copy.


MA Not  certain  if you are simply making light of the manual thing but I
MA copied  the online manual and created a .doc file for Word use. If you
MA would  like  a copy of that, I can ZIP it and send it to your email of
MA choice.


I  guess  to  sum it up, what I am looking for (when all other filters
are implemented) is an ELSE filter that DOES NOT DOWNLOAD.

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Re: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Thomas F

Hello Miles,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:24:01 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 18:24 +0800 GMT),
Miles Alexander wrote:

MA I  guess  to  sum it up, what I am looking for (when all other filters
MA are implemented) is an ELSE filter that DOES NOT DOWNLOAD.

Try to delete in your replies what you is unnecessary. Read the
welcoming mesages regarding quotes. Fullquotes cause most people to
not read a posting. I read yours only because I caught my name with
one blinking eye. Thanks.

To your questions:

1.) An *else* filter is a filter that catches every message that has
not been caught by another filter, right? So, make it the last one in
the filter list, as the filters are being processed sequentially.

2.) Incoming filters work after download. Therefore, it is not
possible to un-download a message by an incoming filter.

3.) Selective download filters download selectively. Maybe you want to
check this out.

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Re[2]: exporting from BAT to Outlook 2002

2001-09-23 Thread Michael David

Hi Raj!

Yes - I thought of that.  I just can't figure out how to then get those
messages into The BAT!

I do appreciate the reply though.  :)

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Sunday, September 23, 2001, 2:12:55 AM, you wrote:

 Michael,

 On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, at 01:50:08 [GMT -0400] (which was 11:20 AM where I live) you
 wrote:

MD So, anyone have any ideas on how to export the email back to Outlook
MD 2002? I could redirect all the messages, but I'll loose the original
MD dates.  All help appreciated. :)

 Under  Message/Save  As  (or  Alt+F5) there is an option to save messages as .msg or 
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Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 10:42:19 AM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:

Thomas,

So, what you are telling me is that the Incoming filters are processed
in a hierarchy and putting my *else* filter at the bottom of that list
(thus the Move Up and Move Down feature) will get me what I want?

The I will name this filter -- appropriately -- my Else filter.



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Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 10:42:19 AM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:

Selective downloads:

Yes:  this seems to be a very good way to resolve the situation but do
I need to imply (within the window) the following format?:

String: [Person One], Location: [Sender],   Presence: [No]
String: [beer],   Location: [Text], Presence: [No]
String: [orange], Location: [Anywhere], Presence: [No]


What  I  would  like  to  do is have a list of signal strings that are
valid but use the Presence=No syntax. Also, just to make sure that you
understand  what  I am leading to: The syntax above -- including field
descriptions and values goes *into* the signal strings window?

Hope this is clear. :)


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large JPEGs crash TB!

2001-09-23 Thread Peter Meyns

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Hi all,

today I received several large .jpg files from a friend (~250 kB each) each
one attached to an email. When I try to use the preview pane to have a
look, TB! is closed because of some illegal operation. There's no problem
to save them and open them in a browser. I never had this problem before,
but until now I didn't receive JPEGs larger than, say, 50 kB. Can it be the
size that causes the crash? Or what else might it be?

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Re: exporting from BAT to Outlook 2002

2001-09-23 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Michael David,

On Saturday, September 22 2001 at 10:50 PM PDT, you wrote:

 So, anyone have any ideas on how to export the email back to Outlook
 2002? I could redirect all the messages, but I'll loose the original
 dates.  All help appreciated. :)

Is Outlook not capable of importing Unix Mailboxes? I think the best
solution to your problem would be to first find out all the ways in
which Outlook imports messages, then pick the one(s) that match TB's
message export feature. If I'm not mistaken, TB! can only export Unix
Mailboxes.


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Re: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Thomas F

Hello Miles,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:07:39 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 23:07 +0800 GMT),
Miles Alexander wrote:

MA So, what you are telling me is that the Incoming filters are processed
MA in a hierarchy and putting my *else* filter at the bottom of that list
MA (thus the Move Up and Move Down feature) will get me what I want?

It will ensure that it is processed last, yes. :-) However, you also
wanted the message to be kept on the server - this is only possible to
seet your account settings.

MA The I will name this filter -- appropriately -- my Else filter.

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Re: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Thomas F

Hello Miles,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:18:28 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 23:18 +0800 GMT),
Miles Alexander wrote:

MA Selective downloads:

MA Yes:  this seems to be a very good way to resolve the situation but do
MA I need to imply (within the window) the following format?:

MA String: [Person One], Location: [Sender],   Presence: [No]

No, this won't work. The Selective Download Filter downloads all
message headers and then processes only these. The signal string must
be matched exactly *in the headers* (so Text and Anywhere won't
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Re: large JPEGs crash TB!

2001-09-23 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Peter,

PM today I received several large .jpg files from a friend (~250 kB each) each
PM one attached to an email. When I try to use the preview pane to have a
PM look, TB! is closed because of some illegal operation. There's no problem
PM to save them and open them in a browser. I never had this problem before,
PM but until now I didn't receive JPEGs larger than, say, 50 kB. Can it be the
PM size that causes the crash? Or what else might it be?

I know for certain that TB is capable to view jpg's of 750 kB without
crashing.
Could it be a lack of free memory?

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Re: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:07:39 -0400, Miles Alexander [MA] wrote these
comments:
...
MA So, what you are telling me is that the Incoming filters are
MA processed in a hierarchy and putting my *else* filter at the
MA bottom of that list (thus the Move Up and Move Down feature) will
MA get me what I want?

Look at it this way. For each message, starting from the first filter
at the top and working downwards, a matching filter is sought. As soon
as a matching filter rule is found, the filter actions are applied.
Matching filter rules for that particular message are no longer sought
further down the filter rules list unless:

a) the option, 'continue processing with other filters' is enabled in
the matching filter rule's options

*and*

b) the matching filter rule doesn't move the message from the Inbox to
another folder.

MA The I will name this filter -- appropriately -- my Else filter.

If you wish a filter to be applied by default to messages which aren't
filtered by other filter rules, then create the filter and place it at
the bottom of the filter rules list and make it applicable to all
possible messages (string 'e' in Kludges for example).

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Re: large JPEGs crash TB!

2001-09-23 Thread Peter Meyns

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:33:54 +0200GMT (which was 18:33 +0200GMT where I live),
Roelof Otten presented us with these thoughts about large JPEGs crash TB!:

RO I know for certain that TB is capable to view jpg's of 750 kB without
RO crashing.
RO Could it be a lack of free memory?

Thanks for your reply, Roelof.
I don't know. Indeed, I have only 64 MB RAM, but that should be enough,
shouldn't it?
I'll post details of the error msg to TBTech.

Cheers
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TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello TBUDListers.

   I created a small group (of 2) in my AB  want
   to create group templates which allows me to
   address, that is, to greet the members by their
   ABFnames. Also in forward  reply.

   I wasn't able to figure out how to do this.

   Any suggestions.

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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In a message dated, Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:33:33 -0400, Jan Rifkinson
[JR] wrote:
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JRI created a small group (of 2) in my AB  want
JRto create group templates which allows me to
JRaddress, that is, to greet the members by their
JRABFnames. Also in forward  reply.

JRI wasn't able to figure out how to do this.

JRAny suggestions.

It would seem here that you wish to send a message to the group, with
each member getting a greeting containing their ABFnames?

This cannot be achieved with a group template unless you're sending
single messages at a time to a single member of the group.

If you wish to send a message to both members of the group and yet
have the greeting personal for each member, then you have to use the
mass mailing feature.

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Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 12:23:21 PM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:


TF No, this won't work. The Selective Download Filter downloads all
TF message headers and then processes only these. The signal string must
TF be matched exactly *in the headers* (so Text and Anywhere won't
TF apply), and then you can use the options under the Advanced tab.

Got it working with header info from an external text file. I like the
way it works. I have chosen to ignore all that do not match and then I
can kick off the Dispatch to view those that did not make it.

Cool.



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Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 12:17:37 PM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:

TF Hello Miles,

TF On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:07:39 -0400 GMT (23/09/2001, 23:07 +0800 GMT),
TF Miles Alexander wrote:

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I will add this to my collection of quotes!

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Re: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Thomas F

Hello Miles,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:21:13 -0400 GMT (24/09/2001, 02:21 +0800 GMT),
Miles Alexander wrote:

MA I will add this to my collection of quotes!

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Re: Delete mail from server options (was: Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - Help !! Under Attack)

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:14:26 +0530, Raj [R] wrote these words of
wisdom:

I had meant to comment on this and somehow forgot. Anyway, better late
than never. :-)

...
JA b) Create two incoming filters at the top of the filter list. The
JA first one should find the large message notifications and *not*
JA continue to process with other filters. The second filter should
JA work on all messages. It should Delete mail from server and
JA Continue processing with other filters.

R I am a little lost... can you elucidate further on the logic of the
R filter.

As soon as a message is matched with a particular filter rule, by
default, the message is no longer processed with other filter rules.
This means that no other filter rules further down the filter list are
applied to the message even though there may be string matches in
other filter rules.

We wish to delete all messages from the server except messages that
exceed a certain size. We therefore set the size limit in the account
options where TB! will send an alert message containing the large
message headers. We set up a filter to catch these alert messages and
place this filter at the beginning of the list. These notification
messages will therefore not be processed by the second filter.

The second filter rule tells TB! to delete the matching message from
the server. This action is carried out on the next mail check. This
filter with the search string set to 'e' and 'Kludges' will match
every single message it examines. It will not get to examine and match
the large message notifications because these are matched and removed
from further processing by the first filter rule. We also wish all the
rest of messages to be processed by the remaining filter rules so for
this second rule, we have to enable the option 'continue processing
with other filters.' This in effect breaks TB!'s default filtering
behaviour which is to stop filter rule matching as soon as a match is
found.

The large message notification messages aren't processed by the filter
to delete messages from the server so the large messages are spared
from deletion. You may then examine them at leisure with the message
dispatcher and delete them manually, or in TB!'s account options set
messages to be deleted after a defined period of time.

R I am also not sure how *not* continue to process other filters
R work... Never used that option.

As I explained before and will do again for clarity:

TB!'s default behaviour is to stop matching filter rules with a
message as soon as a matching filter is found. A match attempt is made
sequentially, starting from the topmost filter and working downwards.
It's important that this concept is grasped since this is the same
approached used by most other filtering systems and understanding this
will make you able to do complex filtering impeccably.

Nothing beats an example:

Say you wish to apply flag a group of messages that you also wish to
move to different folders. You already have filter rules defined to
move these messages to their respective folders. You also have found a
string that's common to all these messages.

What you can do is to create a filter rule, placing it above the ones
you created to move these messages to their respective folders. Make
the source and destination folders the inbox. Define the common string
as the search criterion. Define the action you wish to apply which is
flagging the message in this instance, and then enable 'continue
processing with other filter rules.' Without this final vital setting
enabled, the messages will no longer be processed once this common
filter is applied. They'll simply remain in the inbox flagged and not
be moved to their respective folders.

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Remove something in the subject line

2001-09-23 Thread Cyril MALKA

Hello tbudl,

I have made a mailing-list. It is on its POP-address. When people
write there, The Bat! get the mail, changes it a bit and send it to
the members.

If it is in the Flammer group. It will change the subject from:

Subject: whatever

To:

Subject: [flammer] whatever.

Like that:

%TO=
%ReplyTo=
%From=
%Subject=
%RETURNPATH=

%TO=%OTONAME [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%ReplyTo=%OFROMNAME [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%From=%OFROMNAME %OFROMADDR
%Subject=[Flammer] %OSUBJ
%BCC=flammer list
%RETURNPATH=[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Now, when people answers it'll add a [flammer], so after a while, the
subject will look like that:

Subject: [flammer][flammer][flammer][flammer]whatever

Is it possible to add something in the template so the mailing list:

1. Remove the [flammer] in the subject line if it's there
2. Add one [flammer] to the subject and the subject

So the line always is only:

Subject: [flammer] whatever

How do I do that? Any idea? Anyone?

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Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Stefan Kosmal

Hoi

i know its possible to play a sound for an incoming mail. It seems,
thats a global setting. Is it possible to set a sound for each dir?

thx


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Re[2]: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Allie,

On Sunday, September 23, 2001 13:09:14 [ -0500
GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'TB!
V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list':

Jan [...] wish to send a message to the group,
Jan with each member getting a greeting containing
Jan their ABFnames? [...]

Allie This cannot be achieved [...]

  Got it.

Allie If you wish to send a message to both
Allie members of the group and yet have the
Allie greeting personal for each member, then you
Allie have to use the mass mailing feature.

  Right, good idea but this doesn't allow for any
  'automated' reply or forward, does it?

  Thanks, Allie.

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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Peter Meyns

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:28:52 +0200GMT (which was 21:28 +0200GMT where I
live), Stefan Kosmal presented us with these thoughts about Sound for
mailincoming:

SK Hoi

SK i know its possible to play a sound for an incoming mail. It seems,
SK thats a global setting. Is it possible to set a sound for each dir?

Yes, Stefan, it is. Go to Folder -- Properties -- Sound and choose from
your files.
HTH

Cheers
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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Stefan,
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, at 21:28:52 +0200, you wrote:

SK i know its possible to play a sound for an incoming mail. It seems,
SK thats a global setting. Is it possible to set a sound for each dir?

You could activate a sound for the filter which moves the message to a
certain directory. It's in the filter's properties, right at the bottom
of the action tab.

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Re[2]: Filter question from the Ignorant

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Thomas,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 2:21:07 PM, was when,
Thomas typed the following:

TF Hello Miles,

TF On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:21:13 -0400 GMT (24/09/2001, 02:21 +0800 GMT),
TF Miles Alexander wrote:

MA I will add this to my collection of quotes!

TF Cool. (I stole it somewhere. g)


Thomas,

If you would like a few hundred (each in text file format), I can send
you via ZIP. Just let me know.

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:37:14 -0400, Jan Rifkinson [JR] thoughtfully
wrote the following:
...
Allie If you wish to send a message to both members of the group and
Allie yet have the greeting personal for each member, then you have
Allie to use the mass mailing feature.

JR Right, good idea but this doesn't allow for any 'automated' reply
JR or forward, does it?

Yeah, I know.

How I deal with it is to do either:

Hi Jan|Marck|Nick|Thomas ,

if it's a small, friendly group that knows each other or I just use an
introduction as I used above for this message. One that avoids the
personalised greeting since I'm writing to a group and not an
individual.

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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Gerd Ewald

Hello Peter Meyns !

 
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:39:08 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 23.09.2001, 21:39 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

SK i know its possible to play a sound for an incoming mail. It seems,
SK thats a global setting. Is it possible to set a sound for each dir?

 Yes, Stefan, it is. Go to Folder -- Properties -- Sound and choose from
 your files.

You even can add the sound for one of the filters for incoming *or*
outgoing mail. See tab folder Actions in filter.


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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Stefan,

On Sunday, September 23, 2001 21:28:52 [ +0200
GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Sound
for mailincoming':

Stefan [...] Is it possible to set a sound for
Stefan each dir? [...]

  If you mean each 'folder', check folder
  properties, 'Sound' tab.

  HTH

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Re[2]: Beni Ara!

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Gerd,

On Saturday, September 22, 2001 15:58:26 [ +0200
GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Beni
Ara!':

Gerd is it possible to filter on characters which
Gerd are uncommon to English like those in the
Gerd mail you forwarded or like ßäöü.

  Yes, this would work but I don't know which
  characters to include as there are so many
  languages with their own peculiarities  the only
  other language I understand is Spanish.

Gerd I'm not sure whether this is a good idea
Gerd because you might receive foreign mail which
Gerd you don't want to be deleted/filtered.

  Although this is certainly a real possibility for
  some, in my case it wouldn't make any difference
  in view of the above.

  Thanks for your help.

  Other thoughts, anyone?

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Re: Beni Ara!

2001-09-23 Thread Frank Carver


Sunday, September 23, 2001, 8:44:52 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

Gerd I'm not sure whether this is a good idea
Gerd because you might receive foreign mail which
Gerd you don't want to be deleted/filtered.

Jan   Although this is certainly a real possibility for
Jan   some, in my case it wouldn't make any difference
Jan   in view of the above.

Jan   Other thoughts, anyone?

I'd still be wary of deleting mail just because it has a foreign
character in it. Imagine someone sends you an email you are really
interested in, in English, but with one of those corporate don't sue
us footers (or any other _additional_ text) which happens to contain
foreign characters.

If your problem is particular spam messages, then why not filter on
specific words or phrases which occur in many of them.  The filter
mechanism doesn't care which language it's filter patterns are
written in.

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Using the character too close to the margin

2001-09-23 Thread Orson Kellogg

I've noticed that if I include an expression such as File  Open and
it occurs within about 20 characters of the left margin, The Bat does
two things I don't like:

It changes to the color of that line to the color I have selected
for quoted text in replies.

It takes the string of characters from the left margin to the 
character and REPEATS them on each succeeding line. Very
frustrating.

Any suggestions? I have my reply template set to use the  character
and no initials, and I'd rather not change that if there's another
solution.

Thanks.

Take care,
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Re: Using the character too close to the margin

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:24:19 -0700, Orson Kellogg [OK] wrote these
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...
OK I've noticed that if I include an expression such as File  Open and
OK it occurs within about 20 characters of the left margin, The Bat does
OK two things I don't like:

OK It changes to the color of that line to the color I have selected
OK for quoted text in replies.

OK It takes the string of characters from the left margin to the 
OK character and REPEATS them on each succeeding line. Very
OK frustrating.

OK Any suggestions? I have my reply template set to use the  character
OK and no initials, and I'd rather not change that if there's another
OK solution.

Go into your editor preferences and adjust the setting 'quote name
limit'. This is what allows TB! to realize that for example:

allie

is a quote prefix.

The repeating of characters in each succeeding line is what makes the
reflowing of quoted material possible.

Set the quote name limit to zero or a smaller number (I suggest no
less that 3) to make this side effect less likely to get in your way..

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Re: Using the character too close to the margin

2001-09-23 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Orson,

OK I've noticed that if I include an expression such as File  Open and

Start the line that includes such an expression with a apace and your
problem is over.
 = Something like this...
= And not like this.

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Re[2]: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Allie,

On Sunday, September 23, 2001 14:53:34 [ -0500
GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'TB!
V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list':

Allie How I deal with it is to do either:
Allie Hi Jan|Marck|Nick|Thomas ,

  Is this a manual function or is in a template?

Allie [...] or I just use an introduction as I
Allie used above for this message. One that avoids
Allie the personalised greeting since I'm writing
Allie to a group and not an individual. [...]
  
  That's definitely another possibility although I
  always try to personalize my email as most people
  do on this list. Its one of those wonderful TB!
  attributes that there are so many ways to do
  this.

  Playing around, I changed the group 'handle' to
  person1__person2. That seems to work @ the
  moment.

  In the meantime I'm sitting here watching an
  interfaith service being held in NYC -- some
  50,000 people in attendance -- for the
  atrocities of 9/11.

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Re: Using the character too close to the margin

2001-09-23 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Allie,

On 23 September 2001 at  15:32:33 -0500 (which was 21:32 where I live)
Allie C Martin wrote to Orson Kellogg on TBUDL and made these points:

OK Any suggestions? I have my reply template set to use the 
OK character and no initials, and I'd rather not change that if
OK there's another solution.

ACM Set the quote name limit to zero or a smaller number (I suggest
ACM no less that 3) to make this side effect less likely to get in
ACM your way..

 ... or take up the habit of using a space prefix to lines which
 include an early '' character to avoid any clash between it and
 quote prefixes. Changing the recognised size will also affect how
 quoted quotes appear when they have been originated by someone using
 a wider prefix.

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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In a message dated, Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:55:27 -0400, Jan Rifkinson
[JR] wrote:
...
Allie How I deal with it is to do either: Hi Jan|Marck|Nick|Thomas
Allie ,

JR   Is this a manual function or is in a template?

Yes, it is.

Allie [...] or I just use an introduction as I used above for this
Allie message. One that avoids the personalised greeting since I'm
Allie writing to a group and not an individual. [...]

JR That's definitely another possibility although I always try to
JR personalize my email as most people do on this list. Its one of
JR those wonderful TB! attributes that there are so many ways to do
JR this.

Yes, it does invoke the phenomenon of 'when you have a hammer,
everything looks like a nail', in that you wish to personalise all
mail.

I don't see the need for it as such for groups, especially when the
same message is being sent to all members.

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Re: exporting from BAT to Outlook 2002

2001-09-23 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Michael,

An archeological dig discovered that on Sunday, September 23, 2001 at
10:53 GMT -0400, Michael David [MD] typed the following:

MD Yes - I thought of that.  I just can't figure out how to then get those
MD messages into The BAT!

 Check out: Tools
  |- Export Messages
  |- Import Messages


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Re: exporting from BAT to Outlook 2002

2001-09-23 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Nick,

On Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 8:46 AM, a creature mimicking Nick
Andriash [NA] wrote:

NA If I'm not mistaken, TB! can only export Unix Mailboxes.

And RFC822 message files.  In TB they are given the .MSG extension
while Outlook seems to prefer the .EML extension.  They are exactly
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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Stefan Kosmal

Oki... ive got it ;) thx to all. but can change the sound for the
inbox? or just over globalsound?

thx


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Re[2]: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Allie,

On Sunday, September 23, 2001 16:17:20 [ -0500
GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'TB!
V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list':

JR   Is this a manual function or is in a template?

Allie Yes, it is.

  

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/8 - addressing a group list

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:28:51 -0400, Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote these
words of wisdom:

...
JR   Is this a manual function or is in a template?

Allie Yes, it is.

JR   

LOL!

It's in the template.

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Re: Sound for mailincoming

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:45:59 +0200, Stefan Kosmal [SK] thoughtfully
wrote the following:
...
SK Oki... ive got it ;) thx to all. but can change the sound for the
SK inbox? or just over globalsound?

The inbox sound setting is in the account settings..

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Dispatch question

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello TheBat,

  Is  there  a  Function  key  sequence, command line arg, or separate
  sub-program that I can use to call up the dispatch option? I know of
  its two other locations for use.

  

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Re[2]: Remove something in the subject line

2001-09-23 Thread Cyril MALKA

Hello Allie,

On 23/09/2001, at 21:33, you wrote about Remove something in the subject line:



ACM You could try the following for reply postings:

ACM Create a quick template with the following:

ACM all in a single line
ACM %subject='[flammer]
ACM 
Re:%setpattregexp=(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*\(?(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)\)?(\[\d*\])?:?\s+)*(.*)%RegExpBlindMatch=%OSubj%SubPatt=5'
ACM all in a single line

It does work actually!

Thanks a (real!) lot!

Now... if you had a bit of time... Could you explain to me exactly
what every action is doing? I'd like to learn... Only if it's not too
much trouble...

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The Bat! as mail server?

2001-09-23 Thread Cyril MALKA

Hello tbudl,

Is it possible to use The Bat! as a regular mail-server? I mean: If we
get an IP-number, can we use it as a mail server?


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Re: Remove something in the subject line

2001-09-23 Thread Allie C Martin

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:57:10 +0200, Cyril Malka [CM] wrote these
comments:
...
ACM all in a single line
ACM %subject='[flammer]
ACM 
Re:%setpattregexp=%subject='Re:%setpattregexp=(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*\(?(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)\)?(\[\d*\])?:?\s+)*(.*)%RegExpBlindMatch=%OSubj%SubPatt=5'%RegExpBlindMatch=%OSubj%SubPatt=5'
ACM all in a single line

CM It does work actually!

Great!! :-)

CM Now... if you had a bit of time... Could you explain to me exactly
CM what every action is doing? I'd like to learn... Only if it's not
CM too much trouble...

This is a toughy. :-)

Ok:

I wish to make the subject:

[flammer] Re: the real message subject

Now, the incoming message will have a string preceeding the real part
you wish to retain, such as:

[flanner] Re: the real message subject

or

Re: Fwd: the real message subject

or

Re: [flanner] Re: the real message subject

How do we get just the real message subject and leave everything
else behind. This is where:

%setpattregexp=regex %regexpblindmatch=osubj %Subpatt=5

comes in.

What this is doing is using the regex defined to see if a match occurs
using the original message subject (osubj). If the match occurs then
from it take only the part that matches subpattern 5 of the regex.

Let's look at the regex (regular expression):

(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*\(?(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)\)?(\[\d*\])?:?\s+)*(.*)
 |1| |==2=|3--|===|---4---|==2===| |-5-|

The regular expression may be split up into subpatterns as shown. The
brackets denote the start and finish of a subpattern (note that
subpatterns may be within another subpattern). Subpattern 5 is the
part that will match the real subject. It simply matches one or more
characters of any type. The part that precedes subpattern 5 matches
the various possibilities that may occur before the real subject.

I won't go into what how each subpattern matches and the regex syntax
since it's out of the scope of this list. However, if you wish to go
any further into this, you could subscribe to TBTECH and we can go
through it there with the input of others.

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Re: Dispatch question

2001-09-23 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Miles,

An archeological dig discovered that on Sunday, September 23, 2001 at
18:00 GMT -0400, Miles Alexander [MA] typed the following:

MA   Is  there  a  Function  key  sequence, command line arg, or separate
MA   sub-program that I can use to call up the dispatch option?

Account
 |- Dispatch Mail on Server
   |- New Messages Only(Ctrl-F2)
   |- All Messages (Shift-Ctrl-F2)


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Re[2]: Dispatch question

2001-09-23 Thread Miles Alexander

Hello Januk,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 23, 2001, 7:06:44 PM, was when,
Januk typed the following:

JA Hello Miles,

JA An archeological dig discovered that on Sunday, September 23, 2001 at
JA 18:00 GMT -0400, Miles Alexander [MA] typed the following:

MA   Is  there  a  Function  key  sequence, command line arg, or separate
MA   sub-program that I can use to call up the dispatch option?

JA Account
JA  |- Dispatch Mail on Server
JA|- New Messages Only(Ctrl-F2)
JA|- All Messages (Shift-Ctrl-F2)

These  combinations  *only*  work when the main window is open though:
correct?

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Re[2]: Using the character too close to the margin

2001-09-23 Thread Orson Kellogg

Thanks to all who responded. You gave me some things I can work with.

Thanks!

Orson


Sunday, September 23, 2001, 2:13 PM, you wrote:

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 On 23 September 2001 at  15:32:33 -0500 (which was 21:32 where I live)
 Allie C Martin wrote to Orson Kellogg on TBUDL and made these points:

OK Any suggestions? I have my reply template set to use the 
OK character and no initials, and I'd rather not change that if
OK there's another solution.

ACM Set the quote name limit to zero or a smaller number (I suggest
ACM no less that 3) to make this side effect less likely to get in
ACM your way..

  ... or take up the habit of using a space prefix to lines which
  include an early '' character to avoid any clash between it and
  quote prefixes. Changing the recognised size will also affect how
  quoted quotes appear when they have been originated by someone using
  a wider prefix.

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Consistent indent

2001-09-23 Thread Orson Kellogg

Here's a question that I've puzzled over: Sometimes when I hit Tab, I
get an indent of X spaces (not sure how big). Yet another time, within
the same message, I hit Tab again, and this time the indent is
different.

There's probably a simple answer, but I haven't figured it out. How
can I have consistent indents?

Thanks.

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Re: Consistent indent

2001-09-23 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Orson,

On 24 September 2001 at  17:47:21 -0700 (which was 01:47 where I live)
Orson Kellogg wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

OK There's probably a simple answer, but I haven't figured it out.
OK How can I have consistent indents?

Tabs by default are set to be Smart tabs. These are used for
aligning columns. Press tab and the cursor lines up with the next word
in the line above.

To make tabs consistent, turn off the Smart tabs editor option.

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Re: Consistent indent

2001-09-23 Thread Karin Spaink

On 24-09-2001 at 02:56, Marck D Pearlstone kindly wrote:
 Orson Kellogg wrote:

OK How can I have consistent indents?

 Tabs by default are set to be Smart tabs. These are used for
 aligning columns. Press tab and the cursor lines up with the next word
 in the line above.

*That* I didn't know. How useful.


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