Re: TUTORIAL

[ETM]

I simultaneously ran OE and TB until I was comfortable, probably
started in about September and maintained the simultaneous mail
programs until January 1.  I downloaded mail into TB but allowed
it to remain on server.  I downloaded mail into OE and deleted
mail at the server when I was in OE.  I kind of spoon-fed myself
on TB until I was more sure of myself.  By January I cut the
cord.  I was on this list during that time, was able to ask
questions of those in the know when I encountered a hitch.

It's a way to get your feet wet without jumping in over your
head.  I now only use TB and have OE disabled although it remains
on my system (in another partition) so I can refer to old mail as
necessary.

I was not successful in importing 3 gig of OE6 mail into TB, but
I did import addresses into TB.

Elaine

Hello KoMpLoT

On Friday, August 2, 2002, you wrote

> thanks, and yes, I do have TB! installed, it's just that I want to change OE
> but the problem is that there are many things that I can't figure out how to
> configure in TB!
> anyway thanks



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Re: TUTORIAL

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 22:25, KoMpLoT wrote:
>
> thanks, and yes, I do have TB! installed, it's just that I want to change OE
> but the problem is that there are many things that I can't figure out how to
> configure in TB!

A good start (as Michael suggested) is TB!s help file.  If you cannot
find the information in there, or it isn't entirely clear, you could
always try the FAQ site maintained by one of the list moderators, which
can be found at http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com.  If for some reason you
sill have a little trouble grasping some of the setup in TB! (trust me,
it can get that way sometimes), feel free to ask, and I'm sure the many
members of the list will be more than willing to assist you in the
problem you are having.

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Re: TUTORIAL

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On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, at 00:25:21 [GMT -0300], KoMpLoT wrote:

K> thanks, and yes, I do have TB! installed, it's just that I want to change OE
K> but the problem is that there are many things that I can't figure out how to
K> configure in TB!
K> anyway thanks

Top posting is another Outlook Express habit you should break, as well
as leaving everything ever sent to the thread in each reply.  Please
learn to snip extraneous text.  There are several examples of macros
available in the FAQ for stripping signatures, formatting greetings,
cleaning subject lines, etc.  My suggestion is that you visit the FAQ
pages and then use The Bat! for e-mail to this list.  We'll be able to
help you refine your setup.

Mike Yetto

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Re: TUTORIAL

[KoMpLoT]

thanks, and yes, I do have TB! installed, it's just that I want to change OE
but the problem is that there are many things that I can't figure out how to
configure in TB!
anyway thanks
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> K> Hi ppl!, looking for a good tutorial about how to config and use TB! at
max!
> K> thanks!
>
> You might want to start by switching from Outlook Express, or at least
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> directions you can find in the help files, the FAQ and this list.
>
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Re: TUTORIAL

[Michael A. Yetto]

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On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, at 23:09:04 [GMT -0300], KoMpLoT wrote:

K> Hi ppl!, looking for a good tutorial about how to config and use TB! at max!
K> thanks!

You might want to start by switching from Outlook Express, or at least
avoiding HTML formatted e-mail.

If you actually have The Bat! loaded it will be easier to follow any
directions you can find in the help files, the FAQ and this list.

Links to the FAQ and the archives can be found in the footer of almost
any messages mailed to the list, although yours didn't seem to have a
footer.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Syafril,

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:33:03 +0700 GMT (Aug 03, 02:18 my local time),
you [SH] wrote

SH> Yupe, it is common in big company.

Also a cheaper option for lot of people in developing countries

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Thomas,

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:39:57 +0700 GMT (Aug 03, 00:24 my local time),
you [TF] wrote

TF> I've tried that. For some reason I have never managed to receive
TF> or send emails without access to the internet. What am I doing
TF> wrong?

haha... God is punishing you for being too sarcastic ;)

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TUTORIAL

[KoMpLoT]

Hi ppl!, looking for a good tutorial about how to 
config and use TB! at max!
thanks!

Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[flash]

On Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 03:33:03AM +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote:
> > I think what he meant to say was "...Who have access to e-mail but not
> > the www."
> 
> Yupe, it is common in big company.

If that is the case, I consider subscribing to TB* lists using
such a company email address is impolite. I suggest to unsub
this kind of user from TB* lists. One should use this kind of
account for his job related correspondences only.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[flash]

On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 12:33:29PM +0100, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> So, at 1KB/sec that means a .775 second overhead per message to you.
> That's ¤ 0.000222 per message.

this calculation doesn't include 'unable to allocate memory problem'
on list machine :-)))

btw, without all of these luxuries (listar's features: footer, header,
humanize-* etc..etc.. ), most of mime or quoted-printable problems
could be avoided. at the end, all TB! users could evaluate all of
TB! functionalities on this list! :-) everyone's happy.

All of rfc2369-mumble option on list config should be enough.
Fortunately, TB! recognize these stuffs too.

Yes! This is my KISS campaign ha..ha..

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Re: OT posting??

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Hi Michael,

@02 August 2002, 16:34 -0400 (21:34 UK time)  Michael A. Yetto [MAY]
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Pearlstone on tbudl :

MDP>> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MDP>> Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MDP>> Unsubscribe:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MAY> Should these be added to the footer?

LOL! Just as we're talking about decreasing the size of the footer
here :-). These are all in the welcome message and monthly mission
statement and they appear on the FAQ.

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a real mystery

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click
  on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same,
  my system locks up for a few seconds.

  I do have a few unreadable addresses on my HD. I'm
  wondering if that could have anything to do with it?

  Ideas anyone?

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Re: OT posting??

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Should these be added to the footer?

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:25:02 +0200 Jernej Simonèiè
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> SP>> Keeping the subscribe/unsubscribe footers as it is will benefit
> SP>those> who have an access to email but not the Internet.
> TF> I've tried that. For some reason I have never managed to receive
> TF> or send emails without access to the internet. What am I doing
> TF> wrong?
> 
> I think what he meant to say was "...Who have access to e-mail but not
> the www."

Yupe, it is common in big company.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Thomas,
 
2. avgust 2002, 20:39:57, you wrote:

SP>> Keeping the subscribe/unsubscribe footers as it is will benefit those
SP>> who have an access to email but not the Internet.
TF> I've tried that. For some reason I have never managed to receive or
TF> send emails without access to the internet. What am I doing wrong?

I think what he meant to say was "...Who have access to e-mail but not
the www."

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, at 07:30:24 [GMT -0500], Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> If I get more OK's on this approach, especially from my fellow
ACM> moderator Marck, then I'll work on a page this evening. I'm not an
ACM> accomplished HTML author so don't expect a fancy presentation, but the
ACM> information and necessary links *will be there*. :))


I think it's worth a try, (for what my thought is worth.)

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Re: Vote URL

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dierk,

> I actually thought your original message was the ultimate in proving
> your point about Headers and Footers

No. As Peter said, it was just to prove the risk of using folder
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dierk,

> I am still working on a filter that finds text...
> ...
> ...
> ... Then a report is created and sent via e-mail to one of my
> addresses.

That's done by one of the default filters in Becky ;-)

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Syafril,

> And you need type in bla...bla...bla text as above to make your own
> posting not filter by your junk filter ? LOL!

It's simple with a complicated RegExp. ;-)

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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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Hi Heijo,

@02 August 2002, 20:40 +0200 (19:40 UK time)  Heijo Alting [HA] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

HA> I followed this discussion with great interest and now I ask myself, and
HA> since I don't know the answer, you: is it also possible to set an
HA> alternate X-mailer header?

Look in the archives for "X-Ray".

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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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On Friday, August 02, 2002, Heijo Alting wrote...

> Hi,

> I followed this discussion with great interest and now I ask myself,
> and since I don't know the answer, you: is it also possible to set
> an alternate X-mailer header?

>  Like this:

> X-Mailer: my secret e-mail client, version 007a

Not without using a Hex editor (which I'm sure RitLabs discourages),
or using an intermediary tool, see the Archives for the XRay thread
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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Hi Sudip,

@02 August 2002, 23:30 +0545 (18:45 UK time)  Sudip Pokhrel [SP] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

SP> It works perfectly when X-mailer header is present, but this macro
SP> adds the text "You are using" when there's no X-mailer header.

Not for me. Make sure your XMailer QT looks like this:

,-=[ XMailer ]=-
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%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
`|

This coupled with the %IF works well for me.

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Re[2]: Content of X-Mailer Header

[Heijo Alting]

Hi,

I followed this discussion with great interest and now I ask myself, and
since I don't know the answer, you: is it also possible to set an
alternate X-mailer header?

 Like this:

X-Mailer: my secret e-mail client, version 007a

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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ACM>> For important discussion list information please go to: 

ACM>> Upon going to the URL all the information in the footer will be
ACM>> clearly displayed *and* explained.

> Keeping the subscribe/unsubscribe footers as it is will benefit those
> who have an access to email but not the Internet.

And if you are using TB!, you can go to Special - Mailing List -
Unsubscribe... or look in the headers as most lists put information
there anyway... but this is part of the original discussion ;)

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Allie,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:04:57 -0500 GMT (Aug 02, 17:49 my local time),
you [ACM] wrote

ACM> Personally, I believe in the use of a single link to which all
ACM> the information given is displayed, such as:

ACM> For important discussion list information please go to: 

ACM> Upon going to the URL all the information in the footer will be
ACM> clearly displayed *and* explained.

Keeping the subscribe/unsubscribe footers as it is will benefit those
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Marck,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:34:29 +0100 GMT (Aug 02, 22:19 my local time),
you [MDP] wrote

MDP> My fault - typing badly! I spelt QINCLUDE as QINLCUDE. Sorry :-(

oops.. pretty hard to notice that as well

MDP> %IF:"%QINCLUDE='XMailer'"<>"":"You are using %QINCLUDE='XMailer'"
MDP> You are using The_Bat!

It works perfectly when X-mailer header is present, but this macro
adds the text "You are using" when there's no X-mailer header. Is
there any way to correct this i.e. get rid the text as well, in the
even of missing X-mailer header?



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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 8/2/02, 10:19 AM

Hi Dierk,
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, at 18:41:15 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:41 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'TBUDL Bandwidth'

DH> One exception, in Northrine-Westphalia there are some locales where
DH> our next federal election will be held with the help of computers. And
DH> since it is not possible to mark several fields - rendering the vote
DH> invalid - the put in a new field "undecided".

I've always liked the "none of the above" option. Would like to see it
in all political elections.

 Your communication is greatly appreciated,
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Marck!

On Friday, August 2, 2002 at 2:44:12 PM you wrote:

> Footers: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20Footers
> URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20URL

Undecided is (as always with elections*) missing. I don't have enough
information to vote other than "undecided".


*One exception, in Northrine-Westphalia there are some locales where
our next federal election will be held with the help of computers. And
since it is not possible to mark several fields - rendering the vote
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Re: Vote URL

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Miguel!

On Friday, August 2, 2002 at 4:25:31 PM you wrote:

> Your message didn't pass the 5% significance rule and it was
> automatically dumped to the system's JUNK folder, where the intended
> recipient will have no chance of even taking a look at it.

I actually thought your original message was the ultimate in proving
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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Hello Miguel!

On Friday, August 2, 2002 at 1:47:47 PM you wrote:

> I have an even more sophisticated filter that looks for _significant_
> text

I am still working on a filter that finds text that is significant to
me, copies it out, puts it into a Word document, format it for
clearance's sake. after that the filter will start word's "Abstract"
function, cut the new abstract out, create a table of contents for the
complete text sent the abstract into my database engine. There it will
be processed for different relational databases. Then a report is
created and sent via e-mail to one of my addresses.

Every mail originally delivered to me is afterwards directly deleted.

All this has two big advantages: 1. I won't loose time on reading any
e-mail, and 2. my computer is busy the whole day and not complaining
...*


*For all those not seeing it, you will find two further things in
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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@02 August 2002, 22:07 +0545 (17:22 UK time)  Sudip Pokhrel [SP] in
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MDP>> %IF:"%QINLCUDE='XMailer'"<>"":"You are using %QINLCUDE='XMailer'"

SP> Marck for some reason, it doesn't work. It doesn't return any values,
SP> irrespective of whether xmailer header is present

My fault - typing badly! I spelt QINCLUDE as QINLCUDE. Sorry :-(

%IF:"%QINCLUDE='XMailer'"<>"":"You are using %QINCLUDE='XMailer'"

You are using The_Bat!

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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Marck,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:29:44 +0100 GMT (Aug 02, 19:14 my local time),
you [MDP] wrote

MDP> Call the first QT XMailer and do this:

MDP> %IF:"%QINLCUDE='XMailer'"<>"":"You are using %QINLCUDE='XMailer'"

Marck for some reason, it doesn't work. It doesn't return any values,
irrespective of whether xmailer header is present

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:00:38 +0200 "Miguel A. Urech"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Neither Winamp nor WinZip could determine which X-mailer was used to
..
 
> > BTW. How many percent your filter give false positive result (at
> > least at your point of view) ?
> 
> I would say 20 to 50% ;-)

And you need type in bla...bla...bla text as above to make your own
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Re: OT posting??

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> Hi, Bat users
> if I intend to seek help on off topic issue with Bat's experts where
> should I post my msg. to??? if this forum exist?? could someone
> provide me the URL to subscribe then??

If it is off topic from TheBat, try looking at the Yahoo group called
TBOT, details can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TBOT/

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Re: OT posting??

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@02 August 2002, 22:35 +0800 (15:35 UK time)  Jason [J] in
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J> if I intend to seek help on off topic issue with Bat's experts
J> where should I post my msg. to??? if this forum exist?? could
J> someone provide me the URL to subscribe then??

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   TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list
¯¯¯

One  of  our members has created a list for those occasional off topic
discussions  of  public  interest. Please feel free to join this list,
where many of our readership currently participate.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Gerard]

ON Friday, August 2, 2002, 1:33:29 PM, you wrote:




Let not forget that you also need to multiply this with the number of
subscribers on this group.
Als there is a sending as next to the receiving charge.

In the end it al adds up.

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OT posting??

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Hi, Bat users
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if this forum exist??
could someone provide me the URL to subscribe then??

thanks
 
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Neither Winamp nor WinZip could determine which X-mailer was used to
write the message that will appear above if you are using TB and
select View/View threads by/Reference. If so, you will be able to also
see who wrote it, the subject, the date and time it was written and
the message ID. Anyway, my Paint Shop Pro believes you wrote:

> BTW. How many percent your filter give false positive result (at least
> at your point of view) ?

Hi Syafril,

I would say 20 to 50% ;-)

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:58:45 +0200 "Miguel A. Urech"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > So you do not like brief one-liners that are to the point but prefer
> > to receive long verbose messages? ;-)
> 
> I agree with you, percentages can be quite tricky :-)

Yupe, that's why Moderators not activate quote percentage restriction
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Re: Vote URL

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,

This is an automatic reply.

Your message didn't pass the 5% significance rule and it was
automatically dumped to the system's JUNK folder, where the intended
recipient will have no chance of even taking a look at it.

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Re: Vote URL

[Miguel A. Urech]

Yes, yes, I know. I shouldn't use folder templates :-(

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Re: Vote URL

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello list members,

On Friday, August 2, 2002 at 3:55:40 PM Miguel wrote:

MAU> Hello all,

No ... I don't say it :-) I don't ... I don't say

Tricky folder templates :-)))

Sh** I did say it ... *SCNR* :-)
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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Hello Thomas,

> So you do not like brief one-liners that are to the point but prefer
> to receive long verbose messages? ;-)

I agree with you, percentages can be quite tricky :-)

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Vote URL

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Hello all,



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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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@02 August 2002, 09:34 -0400 (14:34 UK time)  Jan Rifkinson in
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Pearlstone:

>   Sorry to a bit thick here: are these to vote 'for' or
>   'against' headers/footers? TIA

If you want footers click on the footers link.

   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20Footers

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck.

At 8:44 AM on Friday, August 02, 2002 you wrote the
following about [TBUDL Bandwidth]:

MDP> Okay - can we have an off-list poll. Anyone who gives-a-fig can a
MDP> hit one of these:

MDP> Footers: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20Footers
MDP> URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20URL

  Sorry to a bit thick here: are these to vote 'for' or
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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Hi Sudip,

@02 August 2002, 19:03 +0545 (14:18 UK time)  Sudip Pokhrel [SP] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

MDP>> ,-=[ XMailer QT ]=-
MDP>> %SETPATTREGEXP="^X-Mailer:\s(.*?)\n"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
MDP>> `|

SP> This works great. But is it possible to write a macro that inserts
SP> Xmailer RegExp only if xmailer header is present ?

Call the first QT XMailer and do this:

%IF:"%QINLCUDE='XMailer'"<>"":"You are using %QINLCUDE='XMailer'"

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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Marck,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:16:08 +0100 GMT (Aug 02, 18:01 my local time),
you [MDP] wrote

MDP> ,-=[ XMailer QT ]=-
MDP> %SETPATTREGEXP="^X-Mailer:\s(.*?)\n"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
MDP> `|

This works great. But is it possible to write a macro that inserts
Xmailer RegExp only if xmailer header is present ?

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Re: finding email address

[Luc]

 Good afternoon Jan,
  
It was foretold that on 2-8-2002 @ 07:47:19 GMT-0400 (which was
13:47:19 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise
comments on "finding email address":
  

JR> And  if there is no 'real' way to do it, maybe RIT labs will offer
JR> a shortcut or menu option some time in the future.

How about this: place the cursor into the CC field, type the requested
addressee's name until the address is resolved by TB!

Then  type  in  your  message body: "see CC field" or something like
this.  You  could  perhaps even set up a QT so you don't have to type
the text in the body.

But i'm just fiddling about also :-)
 
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Thomas F.]

Hello Marck,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:29 +0100 GMT (02/08/02, 18:33 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> So, at 1KB/sec that means a .775 second overhead per message to you.
MDP> That's ¤ 0.000222 per message.

At a hundred messages per day, this stays within affordability range
for me.  I thought I would have to unsub due to high cost.

MDP> When the smallest posting is 2259 bytes and the average looks to be
MDP> around 3480, 775 bytes added by headers and footers represents a
MDP> 28.65% average overhead. That is significant.

I am willing to increase the size of the posting in order to get the
percentage down. - This is meant in an ironic way, as I do not believe
in statistics and percentages (I wrote too many management reports,
all of which sounded positive as percentages where my main tool. But
that is OT here). That is why I asked for the absolute figure, which
gives me something "real" to play with.

TF>> But at least we haven't had a "unsubscribe" message to the list
TF>> (followed by long threads consisting of flames and ridicule) for a
TF>> while.

MDP> One very good reason for that is that the server is primed to
MDP> intercept the simpler versions of these and throw the out for
MDP> moderation. I see quite a few.

I didn't know that. Well, Allie has offered to write a web page, and
while I believe that it will cause more problems, my point can only be
proven (or disproven) by actually trying it. I vote for Allie to go
ahead, but we should limit the test to a certain length of time and
then come back and compare. The comprison should include the unsub
messages the list doesn't see.

I am sure we will come back to "The Footer" after the set period of
testing time. 

MDP> I agree although we added the headers because this is the TB list and
MDP> TB features support for these headers. We *should* use them here, if
MDP> only to show them off ;-).

I agree with this.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Thomas F.]

Hello Miguel,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:47:47 +0200 GMT (02/08/02, 18:47 +0700 GMT),
Miguel A. Urech wrote:

MAU> I have an even more sophisticated filter that looks for
MAU> _significant_ text in messages and evaluates its length in bytes.
MAU> If significant text length is less than 5% of total message
MAU> length (...) then the message is directly sent to my JUNK folder.
MAU> ;-)

So you do not like brief one-liners that are to the point but prefer
to receive long verbose messages? ;-)

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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@02 August 2002, 07:30 -0500 (13:30 UK time)  Allie C Martin in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jan Rifkinson on
TBUDL:

JR>> I tend to agree with you, Allie. Why don't we try it for a while &
JR>> see what happens?

> If I get more OK's on this approach, especially from my fellow
> moderator Marck, then I'll work on a page this evening. I'm not an
> accomplished HTML author so don't expect a fancy presentation, but
> the information and necessary links *will be there*. :))

I was looking for a consensus.

Okay - can we have an off-list poll. Anyone who gives-a-fig can a
hit one of these:

Footers: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20Footers
URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Vote%20URL

Then we'll make a call. Allie - I'll send you a recent template
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Batters,

  Thanks Marck and Allie for the solution and Sincere apology for the
  double post. I think it's a sure sign that I should halt my campaign
  to finish the six pack of Carlsberg... Oh well its Friday ;)


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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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JR> I tend to agree with you, Allie. Why don't we try it for a while &
JR> see what happens?

If I get more OK's on this approach, especially from my fellow
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information and necessary links *will be there*. :))

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie.

At 8:04 AM on Friday, August 02, 2002 you wrote the
following about [TBUDL Bandwidth]:

ACM> Personally, I believe in the use of a single link to
ACM> which all the information given is displayed, such as:

ACM> For important discussion list information please go to:
ACM> 

  I tend to agree with you, Allie. Why don't we try it for a
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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@02 August 2002, 17:36 +0545 (12:51 UK time)  Sudip Pokhrel [SP] in
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SP>How do I automatically insert the content of X-Mailer header
SP>(sender's) in the message body of my replies?

,-=[ XMailer QT ]=-
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Re: Content of X-Mailer Header

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sudip Pokhrel [SP] wrote:

SP>How do I automatically insert the content of X-Mailer header
SP>(sender's) in the message body of my replies?

You can create a quick template containing the following:


%SETPATTREGEXP="(?im-s)^(X-Mailer|User-Agent):\s*(.*)$"%-
%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%Headers"%-
%Subpatt="2"


and then in your reply reply template, you can place the macro
%Qinclude="" where you wish to generate the X-Mailer
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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MDP> The bottom line is that I sincerely believe there should be a
MDP> footer but am open to suggestions about what is or is not vital
MDP> information in it.

Personally, I believe in the use of a single link to which all the
information given is displayed, such as:

For important discussion list information please go to: 

Upon going to the URL all the information in the footer will be
clearly displayed *and* explained.

For example, many do not realize that they need to send their
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The bug track also needs explanation and introduction etc.

A separate web page will also give us the opportunity not to have to
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A direct link to the discussion list charter rules may also be given
since it's not so easily found in the FAQ.

The FAQ link can be given with the encouragement that one should check
there before asking questions on the list and that it's growth and
development is influenced by the common questions asked on the list.
The same for the links to the archive and adding that the archive is a
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Content of X-Mailer Header

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Batpeople,

   How do I automatically insert the content of X-Mailer header
   (sender's) in the message body of my replies?

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Syafril,

> Maybe you may consider to create specific filter which only download
> body text (content) without message header, or strip out some headers on
> the fly while download messages :-

I have an even more sophisticated filter that looks for _significant_
text in messages and evaluates its length in bytes. If significant text
length is less than 5% of total message length (including RFC-822
headers, mailing list headers, PGP headers and signatures, fancy and
convoluted greetings generated_by_macros, quoted text, fancy
macro_assisted signatures, fancy macro_assisted Winamp's play lists
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Re: finding email address

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Bernd.

At 1:52 AM on Friday, August 02, 2002 you wrote the
following about [finding email address]:

BG> [...] place the cursor into the CC field, type the
BG> requested addressee's name until the address is resolved
BG> by TB!

BG> Then cut and paste the address from CC into the body.
BG> [/...]

  Well, this is certainly a more creative & more efficient
  solution than my scenario but its not what I would expect
  from TB!

  Without trying to sound ungrateful for your suggestion, I
  will be interested to see if others come along with more
  ideas on how to accomplish the task I have set out.

  And if there is no 'real' way to do it, maybe RIT labs
  will offer a shortcut or menu option some time in the
  future.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

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@02 August 2002, 17:06 +0700 (11:06 UK time)  Thomas F. [TF] in
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TF> I pay THB 35/hr (about ¤ 0.80/hr). My average download speed is a low
TF> 1KB/sec. With the volume of this list, how much do these headers and
TF> footers cost me?

Headers: 453 bytes
Footers: 322 bytes

So, at 1KB/sec that means a .775 second overhead per message to you.
That's ¤ 0.000222 per message.

When the smallest posting is 2259 bytes and the average looks to be
around 3480, 775 bytes added by headers and footers represents a
28.65% average overhead. That is significant.

TF> If one posting of average length came in by HTML per day, how much
TF> would that cost me?

A whole lot more, although HTML is not allowed on this list.

G>> As for the footers I would suggest a link to the website with
G>> instructions.

TF> It is difficult enough to get people to read the footers.

Precisely.

TF> But at least we haven't had a "unsubscribe" message to the list
TF> (followed by long threads consisting of flames and ridicule) for a
TF> while.

One very good reason for that is that the server is primed to
intercept the simpler versions of these and throw the out for
moderation. I see quite a few.

However, the information in the footer has grown in accordance with
requests. This is the information that the consensus of members wanted
to see per-message.

Let's see what we're saying and what could be expendable (I reject the
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This could go and is more relevant to TBBETA but it does have some
pertinence here.

The bottom line is that I sincerely believe there should be a footer
but am open to suggestions about what is or is not vital information
in it.

TF> The probability that people follow links is a lot less than
TF> that for reading the footer.

I agree although we added the headers because this is the TB list and
TB features support for these headers. We *should* use them here, if
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:47 +0200 "Miguel A. Urech"
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> I'll be brief to be consistent with my "bandwidth conservation
> campaign". So what! ;-)

Maybe you may consider to create specific filter which only download
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marck,

> All YahooGroups lists do. So do others.

I'll be brief to be consistent with my "bandwidth conservation
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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@02 August 2002, 12:13 +0200 (11:13 UK time)  Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in
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MAU> ... Of the 25+ mailing list I am subscribed to, only TB ones do
MAU> use these headers.

All YahooGroups lists do. So do others.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Gerard,

>  I agree on your bandwidht concern.

Thanks :)

>  As I understand it the headers function as menu items under
>  specials|mailing list but have to be present in each mail.

Yes, I know. And, to me, some of the most useless menu options in TB.
Of the 25+ mailing list I am subscribed to, only TB ones do use these
headers.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Thomas F.]

Hello Gerard,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:52:58 +0200 GMT (02/08/02, 16:52 +0700 GMT),
Gerard wrote:

G>  I agree on your bandwidht concern.

Give me (a DUN connection user) please a little math for this "waste
of bandwidth". Please compare it to ML's that don't use these headers
or footers, but many users use HTML.

I pay THB 35/hr (about € 0.80/hr). My average download speed is a low
1KB/sec. With the volume of this list, how much do these headers and
footers cost me?

If one posting of average length came in by HTML per day, how much
would that cost me?

Or are you talking about bandwdith between the servers? My point is
that there is no bandwidth concern for these few lines, as long as
mailers like OL and Incredimail exist.

G>  As for the footers I would suggest a link to the website with
G>  instructions.
 
It is difficult enough to get people to read the footers. But at least
we haven't had a "unsubscribe" message to the list (followed by long
threads consisting of flames and ridicule) for a while. The
probability that people follow links is a lot less than that for
reading the footer.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Gerard]

ON Friday, August 2, 2002, 11:20:59 AM, you wrote:

MAU> Hello all,

MAU> The monthly Mission Statement reminder received yesterday reminded me
MAU> of something I wanted to propose some time ago.

MAU> Couldn't these headers:

>> List-help: 
>> List-unsubscribe: 
>> List-ID: The Bat! User Discussion List 
>> List-subscribe: 
>> List-owner: 
>> List-post: 
>> List-archive: 
>> Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi Miguel,

 I agree on your bandwidht concern.

 As I understand it the headers function as menu items under
 specials|mailing list but have to be present in each mail.

 As for the footers I would suggest a link to the website with
 instructions.
 

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TBUDL Bandwidth

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello all,

The monthly Mission Statement reminder received yesterday reminded me
of something I wanted to propose some time ago.

Couldn't these headers:

> List-help: 
> List-unsubscribe: 
> List-ID: The Bat! User Discussion List 
> List-subscribe: 
> List-owner: 
> List-post: 
> List-archive: 
> Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

and these tag lines:

> 
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that come with _every_single_message_, be just sent as a separate
"reminder" on a monthly, or weekly or daily basis? It would certainly
save a lot of bandwidth (and disk storage) both for Syafril's server
and for each of us the list members.

Just a thought.

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Re: Keep messages in the base for (days)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, August 2, 2002, 01:45, Allie C Martin wrote:

S>> I tried to set a few of my folders to only keep messages for a
S>> couple of days (folder ->Properties ->General), but the messages
S>> don't get automatically deleted when they should be.

> What I'm uncertain about is whether or not messages are selected for
> deletion based on age is done based on received dates and times rather
> than creation dates and times.

It's based on received time.

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Re: finding email address

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Bernd,

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:52:24 +0100 GMT (Aug 02, 11:37 my local time),
you [BG] wrote

BG> Then cut and paste the address from CC into the body. I would even
BG> suggest leaving it there, allowing not only the third party to
BG> know you forwarded his/her address,

...

BG> Isn't that the most natural solution?

Maybe not the most natural but definitely a noble one :)

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