Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
On Friday, January 3, 2003, 01:23, Allie Martin wrote: I decided to switch viewers. With the fixed width viewer, I don't see the space. With the rich text viewer, it seems like a space is there when you swipe select the delimiter with the mouse. This is what confused me. Most rtv's shows a cr as a space when selected in this way. Try it in Word for instance. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Hi M., On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:15:20 -0700 M. Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XML is really beautiful in that it ensures longevity and migration capability for arbitrary data. It eliminates the need for custom file formats that are readable by only one program. [ ] Seems you understood what really XML does. :-( XML is _NO_ guarantor for easy to use by anybody else, just because it is plain text. VCF is the very same: pure plain text. For using a foreign XML file you'll still need to know it's intended structure, else the only thing you can do is: checking if it is well formed (in opposite to check for validity too!) and some wild guessing if a tag named surname is in fact the last name, or only an abbreviation of super user real name. See the new MickeySoft Office which makes use of XML too: you can 'read' it, as it is plain text, but you can't interpret the content correctly unless MS offers the white papers. They do describe it as open to exchange information, not formats. So you can extract the pure text information from that file, but there's no guarantee _you_ can connect an image description text to the appropriate image, simple because you don't know which text in that XML file belongs to which image. So the consequence is: your demand for TB! using a XML-based AB is only half the story; you'll have to demand too PhoneDeck using _the very same_ structure. Means: TB! and PhoneDeck _have to_ use the very same DTD or Schema, or at least one of them has to use a DTD/Schema that's a subset of the other _plus_ he'll have to ignore (and leave intact when handling the file!!!) tags unknown to him (but specified in the bigger DTD/Schema). -- Peter Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: XML Address Book Format
Hello M. Evans,
On or about Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 12:17:36GMT -0700
(which was 2:17 PM in the tropics where I live) M. Evans
scribbled:
ME That strikes me as pretty preposterous. XML files are ASCII
ME files and it would be awfully hard for a virus to hide in
ME one.
...and just as simple for a virus to READ and attack USING THEM...
I wasn't saying anything about XML per-se. My point was that
making an _Address Book_ more standard allows it to be targeted
by any virus. I have DELETED MS Outhouse AND the Windows Address
Book {WAB} entirely from my system, due to this exact
vulnerability. I don't even run anti-virus anymore, as I can't
stand the performance hit of 15-20% of my systems resources. I
acquired and use TB! for the very reason that it is (thus far)
immune to known viral attacks.
I'm not stupid enough to execute any file that could be
dangerous, which is the only way something arriving in my e-mail
could do any damage while using TB! If you foolishly allow
BugBear or Yaha to somehow run on your system, it DOES target the
TB! address book! Fair warning! I have worked on 32 systems
this past week alone that are infected with Yaha, and three of
them were TB! equipped systems, but the virus came in through AIM
or MSN IM and were accepted and run by OPERATOR ERROR.
BTW, SOPHOS has an automated removal tool for the YAHA virus at;
http://www.sophos.com/tools/rmyahsfx.exe
It's a lot easier than the detailed instructions (3-5 printed
pages) for removal offered by other AV vendors I have found. Just
make sure you download it on an _UNINFECTED_ machine before you
use it!! It has saved me hours of registry editing and file
search and deletion. The only thing you have to do is delete the
virus code from the ?:\Windows\System folder.
--
Warmest tropical wishes,
Spike
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Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on
Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3
with Windows Messenger Service, ports 135-139
DISABLED!
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Re[3]: XML Address Book Format
Hello, Spike, all:
Obviously I know better than to use Outlook for email, but I still use
Outlook's address book and calendar etc. because these work so well with
my pocket PC.
1. So, am I still vulnerable in ways that you mention?
2. Does Norton AV not do an adequate job of detecting Bugbear and Yaha?
3. (I have no plans to use instant messaging. Thanks for reminding me
- WHY not!)
Best,
David Austen
Friday, January 03, 2003, 10:33:48 AM, you wrote:
S Hello M. Evans,
S On or about Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 12:17:36GMT -0700
S (which was 2:17 PM in the tropics where I live) M. Evans
S scribbled:
ME That strikes me as pretty preposterous. XML files are ASCII
ME files and it would be awfully hard for a virus to hide in
ME one.
S ..and just as simple for a virus to READ and attack USING THEM...
S I wasn't saying anything about XML per-se. My point was that
S making an _Address Book_ more standard allows it to be targeted
S by any virus. I have DELETED MS Outhouse AND the Windows Address
S Book {WAB} entirely from my system, due to this exact
S vulnerability. I don't even run anti-virus anymore, as I can't
S stand the performance hit of 15-20% of my systems resources. I
S acquired and use TB! for the very reason that it is (thus far)
S immune to known viral attacks.
S I'm not stupid enough to execute any file that could be
S dangerous, which is the only way something arriving in my e-mail
S could do any damage while using TB! If you foolishly allow
S BugBear or Yaha to somehow run on your system, it DOES target the
S TB! address book! Fair warning! I have worked on 32 systems
S this past week alone that are infected with Yaha, and three of
S them were TB! equipped systems, but the virus came in through AIM
S or MSN IM and were accepted and run by OPERATOR ERROR.
S BTW, SOPHOS has an automated removal tool for the YAHA virus at;
S http://www.sophos.com/tools/rmyahsfx.exe
S It's a lot easier than the detailed instructions (3-5 printed
S pages) for removal offered by other AV vendors I have found. Just
S make sure you download it on an _UNINFECTED_ machine before you
S use it!! It has saved me hours of registry editing and file
S search and deletion. The only thing you have to do is delete the
S virus code from the ?:\Windows\System folder.
--
Best wishes,
David
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Re[4]: XML Address Book Format
Hello David R. Austen, On or about Friday, January 03, 2003 at 10:50:35GMT -0500 (which was 10:50 AM in the tropics where I live) David R. Austen asked: DRA Obviously I know better than to use Outlook for email, but I DRA still use Outlook's address book and calendar etc. because DRA these work so well with my pocket PC. DRA 1. So, am I still vulnerable in ways that you mention? Yes, as the machines in question were infected PRIOR to the AV signatures being available (approximate 4-6 hours) at the time the infection presented itself. There is no adequate defense against an early attack unless the user is well educated AND vigilant. DRA 2. Does Norton AV not do an adequate job of detecting DRA Bugbear and Yaha? Once discovered and fingerprinted, all the AV products do a reasonable job, if you can tolerate their system resource overhead :-( DRA 3. (I have no plans to use instant messaging. Thanks for DRA reminding me - WHY not!) You just have to be vigilant about accepting and running anything presented as a file transfer!! I use ONLY Yahoo Messenger, as I have a very good reason to despise AOhelL! That's a whole other novella! Just think entrapment and malicious prosecution to the tune of $8,000.00 in legal fees loss of reputation a career. Cutting this short, as I smell an equine carcass coming on! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
Hi Marck, on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:10:22 +GMT (03.01.03, 00:10 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM is there a way to add comments in message templates? MDP Yes - use the %REM macro Thank you Marck, that's the one I was looking for. :-) -- Cheers Peter 'There are two major products that come out of Berkeley; LSD and BSD Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.' Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Obviously I know better than to use Outlook for email, but I still use Outlook's address book and calendar etc. because these work so well with my pocket PC. 1. So, am I still vulnerable in ways that you mention? What Spike said. But if you're using a personal firewall (Kerio, Tiny, ZoneAlarm, Sygate, etc.) you could configure the firewall to block Outlook. This should at least stop those trojans which use Outlook to distribute themselves. .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. (Frank Zappa) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
Hi Marck, on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:10:22 +GMT (03.01.03, 00:10 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MDP %REM= MDP MDP This bit is a comment MDP MDP PM I'd like to disable parts of some of my templates temporarily PM without having to delete them, for testing purposes. MDP That will do it for you then. Sorry, not quite, because it only works up to the next occurring double quote... I tried to comment out a RegExp. For my actual purpose it will be easier to cut it to a text file. ;-) Still I'm always interested in learning, so, is there a way to use %REM even if there are single and double quotes in the comment? (Like in HTML, where !-- //-- hides everything?) -- Cheers Peter Don't humanize computers. They hate that! Winamp currently playing: Soft Machine - Moon in June Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Comments in templates?
Hello Peter Meyns, On or about Friday, January 03, 2003 at 20:02:16GMT +0100 (which was 2:02 PM in the tropics where I live) Peter Meyns replied: PM Sorry, not quite, because it only works up to the next occurring double PM quote... I tried to comment out a RegExp. For my actual purpose it will be PM easier to cut it to a text file. ;-) PM Still I'm always interested in learning, so, is there a way to use %REM PM even if there are single and double quotes in the comment? (Like in HTML, PM where !-- //-- hides everything?) Use a different beginning quote character than any that are used in your section of template. That should work. I seem to remember someone chiding me about the various punctuation marks that would work as quote characters (sometime last month). -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
Hi Peter, On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:02:16 +0100 Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: %REM= This bit is a comment I'd like to disable parts of some of my templates temporarily without having to delete them, for testing purposes. That will do it for you then. Sorry, not quite, because it only works up to the next occurring double quote... I tried to comment out a RegExp. For my actual purpose it will be easier to cut it to a text file. ;-) Still I'm always interested in learning, so, is there a way to use %REM even if there are single and double quotes in the comment? (Like in HTML, where !-- //-- hides everything?) Use a delimter character not present in any about to comment out macros, e.g '#'. %REM=# %SUBJECT=Hello %- %SETREGEXP='^\s*([^\s])+?'%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%OFromName'%- %SUBPATT='1' # You can use anyone from a (albeit limited, nevertheless big) pool of charactes, e.g. '#', '$', '', '_', and many more. Just give it a try :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
Hi Spike, on Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:12:09 -0500GMT (03.01.03, 20:12 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I tried to comment out a RegExp. S Use a different beginning quote character than any that are S used in your section of template. That should work. I seem to S remember someone chiding me about the various punctuation marks S that would work as quote characters (sometime last month). Great idea. In my case the # sign works. :-)) -- Cheers Peter Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE! Winamp currently playing: Rolling Stones - Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
Hi Peter, on Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:19:33 +0100GMT (03.01.03, 20:19 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PP You can use anyone from a (albeit limited, nevertheless big) pool of PP charactes, e.g. '#', '$', '', '_', and many more. Just give it a PP try :-) Thank you Pit, I didn't know there were so many. *S* The hash sign # works well here. -- Cheers Peter 'Yield to temptation. It may not come your way again.' Oscar Wilde Winamp currently playing: Sophie Ellis Bextor - Get Over You Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Means: TB! and PhoneDeck _have to_ use the very same DTD or Schema In the computer industry this phenomena is recognized and given a name, standards, which are generally recognized as Good Things. Some industry groups even set up consortia to promote them. Yes, the world needs an Address Book XML schema. ;-) Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SpamPal and header only download
TheBat-users, I am using SpamPal and it is very nice. I have quit using POPFile as SpamPal now has a Baysian filter, too. BTW, SpamPal is great. It will add an X-SpamPal-header if the originating IP is flagged by one of a number of blocklists. Is there anyway to just download the _header_ of an e-mail _automatically_ by TB? This should be enough to classify the e-mail after which it can be deleted from the server (if it's spam). -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62 Beta/17 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamPal and header only download
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 03, 2003, Peter Fjelsten wrote... Is there anyway to just download the _header_ of an e-mail _automatically_ by TB? This should be enough to classify the e-mail after which it can be deleted from the server (if it's spam). I think what you might be after is the Selective Download filters. In there, you can setup matches on mail on the server, and you don't need to see it as you can drop it from the mail server before it downloads. Unless of course you wanted to only download the headers so you could review them, then I am not entirely sure if you can. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhZX1SuD6BT4/R9zEQLoXQCgqHeaFMlG+U26YVCPDZCLvbgXmg0An04z SJfLuD44/HKBPcR0QrqPbZ5+ =S6p4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
