Re: Undeleting messages
Hello AceMan, Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:42:45 PM, you wrote: By the way, I've already tried to delete the .tbi file, with no effect. It builds a new .tbi file and all the messages are still marked for deletion. A While viewing a deleted message, you can click the view menu A and select Message List to view the full list of deleted mails. You A can then select any/all mails and perform normal right-click A options (e.g. copy to folder, move to folder etc.). A HTH Thank-you! That did it. -- Best regards, Steve Living in the past is a dull and lonely business; looking back strains the neck muscles, causes you to bump into people not going your way. - Edna Ferber TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help with Scheduler
What is the meaning of start and duration options in Scheduled tasks? Do they apply when the only action is creating / sending messages ? I can imagine what start does, but what about duration ? -- Ciprian Useless fact: Odds of being killed by falling out of bed are 1 in 2 million. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Undeleting messages
Hello Steve, Well, I guess that doing it one at a time is one way. I had over 3,000 messages in there. I was hoping for a better, global way to do it. But, thanks. Browse deleted messages, Select All, Undelete. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/7 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
when a folder has about 2000 mail, draging and drop a mail from inbox into this folder will take 10+ seconds to finish, and the UI is not responsive during this period. the machine is a P3-800 with 512MB memory and a 40G 5400rpm drive. not a top grade PC but is very common for an office use. shouldn't thebat be a little faster in this case? BTW, i have about 2 virtual folders which are based on this folder. i don't know if they are somehow related with the slowness, but removing them (and restart thebat) didn't bring any improvement. -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Hallo St, On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:25:04 +0200GMT (27-8-2004, 2:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AFAIK you're running TB permanently (and at very short poll intervalls). SMN True - although 30 seconds isn't what I would consider to be _very_ short SMN intervals. Or? But nevertheless it is extremely short. When a server has multiple users with such a polling frequency it's bound to have problems (server side), TB is a bit (too, IMO) vulnerable for server sided problems. But what you're describing is that it might cause problems client side too. I had several users that were polling my server once a minute. I've convinced all of them to drop that to once every five minutes. And that didn't hurt the stability of my (non dedicated) server. Furthermore I think that a polling frequency can be calculated by the mailflow you're receiving. Your polls should have an average of one mail that they're collecting. That means 8640 mails a month should justify polling every five minutes. For 86400 that would correspond to 30 seconds and if that's the case, you shouldn't let TB run unattended or you won't have the time to read all of them. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Hallo Samson, On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:17:29 -0700GMT (27-8-2004, 10:17 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S when a folder has about 2000 mail, draging and drop a mail from inbox S into this folder will take 10+ seconds to finish, and the UI is not S responsive during this period. Sounds a tad slow. What else is running. When did you do your latest purge compress for both folders. When did you do your latest defrag of your drive. These three items are relevant. Do the latter two and try it again. S BTW, i have about 2 virtual folders which are based on this folder. i No idea. Don't use VFs. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/7 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Dear Samson, @27-Aug-2004, 01:17 -0700 (27-Aug 09:17 UK time) Samson said: when a folder has about 2000 mail, draging and drop a mail from inbox into this folder will take 10+ seconds to finish, ... snip shouldn't thebat be a little faster in this case? Yes. Although virtual folders do represent an overhead, the biggest overhead is uncompressed space. Both source and destination folders will be affected. You should try a purge / compress on both folders and see if that improves the speed of the operation. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.13 Lucky Beta/6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpONYrBxIt3i.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common Folders
Hi, Can someone please explain exactly what 'common folders' are? I've looked in The Bat! helpfile, but I couldn't find any relevant info in there. I'm guessing it is a folder that is not part of any one email account, but I'm just not sure. Thanks, Chris Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Displays
Hi Robin, On Friday, August 27, 2004 at 12:16:49 AM it was written: The M in Move is even underlined. I chose the others: Size - S, Minimize - N, Maximize - X and they operated as advertised. The Move - M did not work. RA Move will be greyed out if the application is maximized. There is no Move there. Only Minimize and Close (Restore is greyed out) RA It won't be there if the application is maximized. Thanks, Robin. I didn't know that. Do you have an idea about why, in the Restore position, pressing the M and then the arrow keys doesn't move the window? BTW, I also tried holding the Fn key with everything else and then the U which is the numeric keypad left arrow. No worky. -- Regards, Maggie Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. Winston Churchill Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Alexander S. Kunz: AFAIK you're running TB permanently (and at very short poll intervalls). St: True - although 30 seconds isn't what I would consider to be _very_ short intervals. Or? Roelof Otten: But nevertheless it is extremely short. When a server has multiple users with such a polling frequency it's bound to have problems (server side), TB is a bit (too, IMO) vulnerable for server sided problems. But what you're describing is that it might cause problems client side too. I had several users that were polling my server once a minute. I've convinced all of them to drop that to once every five minutes. And that didn't hurt the stability of my (non dedicated) server. I feel you are missing the point. My grief is not about TB not reaching the mail server. When I said 30 seconds isn't what I would consider to be _very_ short intervals I meant poll intervals between each time TB is checking thebat.IPC! Remember, TB is actually checking thebat.IPC every 10th second (unless the countdown is reset by starting a second TB). Hence, if TB is checking thebat.IPC every 10th second, then 30 seconds isn't what I would consider to be _very_ short intervals. My topic is about TB eventually failing to _read_ and execute thebat.IPC. -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hi List, I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders is about 3000. Here is some info from the plugin: Spam frequency dictionary: ° C:\...\spamdict.bye ° Size: 1656 letters. ° Capacity: 78445 words. Non-spam frequency dictionary: ° C:\...\nspamdict.bye ° Size: 559 letters. ° Capacity: 29118 words. Current active base: ° Active current base contains 16901 words. ° Status: OK Last day statistic General numbers ° Spam traffic (bytes): 0 ° Spam letters: 0 ° NON-spam traffic (bytes): 106070 ° NON-spam letters: 4 ° Total traffic (bytes): 106070 ° Total letters: 4 Bayesit has yet to find a junk message on its own. The 'general numbers' are obviously wrong...Is that the problem? Do the dictionary sizes look right? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Christopher, Friday, August 27, 2004, 6:32:48 PM, you wrote: CB Hi List, CB I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up CB on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. CB Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk CB folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders CB is about 3000. CB Here is some info from the plugin: snips info I think you've not trained it well enough on what ISN'T spam. When I first trained BayesIt, it still had the ability to scan folders when installed. RitLabs asked for this to be removed, as you can't scan folders in SecureBat! that way - and they wanted the BayesIt plugin to work for both The Bat! and SecureBat. So now you have to train it yourself. This, IMHO, is not made clear. What's made even less clear is that BayesIt needs to know both what's spam and non-spam. Before you train it, you need to make a good effort to clean up all your folders of spam - move any spam to a makeshift junk folder. Then go into each one non junk folder, and train BayesIt on which mail ISN'T spam. Then train it on what is spam from your makeshift junk folder by marking all its contents as spam. I even marked my Sent mails as not-junk when training, on the egotistical presumption that nobody writes the kind of email I'd like to recieve better than myself! *grins* OK, so that's not quite true - my emails can be bad. But they do contain the kind of keywords that I wouldn't mind recieving, so they do make good stuff for marking as non-junk. Remember that BayesIt works statistically. It compares the contents of messages to both what your definition of normal mail is AND your definition of spam mail. Without both definitions, you may not get as good a set of results. I didn't realise this at first - I just marked mail as junk. Only when I marked mail as non-junk did I get anywhere - filtering then worked just fine! Here are my statistics for the BayesIt plugin: BayesIt! filter information Antispam filtering data: Spam frequency dictionary: * C:\...\spamdict.bye * Size: 15376 letters. * Capacity: 390982 words. Non-spam frequency dictionary: * C:\...\nspamdict.bye * Size: 24251 letters. * Capacity: 451531 words. Current active base: * Active current base contains 137896 words. * Status: OK Note that my figures for non-spam appear stronger. I now get very little spam sneaking past BayesIt - just the newish ASCII art spams, and the classic empty HTML message with a picture of the text. Both are understandably hard to filter, so I have no problems with this. I get one a day at most anyway. ;-) One caveat with this explanation, though - I recieve much more legitimate email than spam, because I'm on mailing lists like this one. If I were on no lists and got very little legitimate email, I suppose the stats could conceivably be the other way around. You want the stats to at least reflect the general direction of the spam/non-spam ratio in your mail flow, I suppose... CB Bayesit has yet to find a junk message on its own. The CB 'general numbers' are obviously wrong...Is that the problem? Do CB the dictionary sizes look right? I can't possibly say for certain, but they don't look like mine. And my BayesIt plugin is working satisfactorily. Therefore, I can only humbly suggest that you aspire to match my figures, using the methods I have outlined above. ;-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpeP66nNmbZV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Philip Storry, 27-Aug-2004 22:00, you wrote: I even marked my Sent mails as not-junk when training, on the egotistical presumption that nobody writes the kind of email I'd like to recieve better than myself! *grins* Thats is indeed a very common practice. Our antispam solution at work uses Bayes analysis, too, and auto-learns from sent mail (it would not be useful to have each MS Exchange user manually train the filter). Due to the nature of Business style mail communication as introduced by MS Outlook (top posting with full quote below) that works pretty good. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions that will kill the poor, and succeed sometimes with the rich, and the results of which, collectively taken, are more fatal than useful to mankind. -- Napoleon Bonaparte Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan, on Wednesday, 25. August 2004, at 11:18:20 [GMT -0400] you wrote regarding BayesIt Macros: What I mean is if BayesIT filters come first I de-activated all my own TB! filters, then I can see how accurate BayesIT is. Following order is proofed: 1. AntiVirus Plugin 2. AntiSpam Plugin 3. Filters of the Filtermanager But there seams to be a other problem with the statistics. E-mail which BayesIt classifies as good Mail because of a match in the own whitelist are not counted as good mails in the statistic. They don't appear there. Other experiences? But how ever, the plugin works incredible good for what it is designed. Killing Spam. Good Job. But a good and correct statistic would be fine. - -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/6 and BayesIt! 0.5.11 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP:Key-ID: 0xD1ED3F0B Fingerprint: C1C8 7CEE 47A1 07A4 D5FD 8A7D AFB7 EC83 D1ED 3F0B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Space to rent iQA/AwUBQSz8LK+37IPR7T8LEQLlBACeMi9yUPSjjoyHVB7xo1Aq3H4zHFoAn3Go KzYqoPOyl99WG2H2MFkk9KM9 =wRVe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Christopher, Friday, August 27, 2004, 12:32:48 PM, you wrote: CB Hi List, CB I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up CB on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. CB Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk CB folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders CB is about 3000. One thing the others did not mention ... Did you upgrade from an earlier version of Beyesit? I had some real problems until I uninstalled Bayesit, ruthlessly deleted every reference to it and it's data on my hard drive (I found files in the 'Programs' tree where the bat executables are located *AND* more data files in the Data store area). Once I re-added the plug in and trained it (yes you will want *LOTS* of Non-Spam to train it!) it has been working well. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Displays
On Fri 27 August 2004, 22:24:35 +1000, Maggie wrote: Do you have an idea about why, in the Restore position, pressing the M and then the arrow keys doesn't move the window? BTW, I also tried holding the Fn key with everything else and then the U which is the numeric keypad left arrow. No worky. Sorry, no idea. It works as expected for me, but I very rarely use it, so there may be peculiarities I don't know about. -- Robin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Sounds a tad slow. What else is running. When did you do your latest purge compress for both folders. When did you do your latest defrag of your drive. Thanks for your hints. I always have as less apps as possible running at the same time. My CPU usage is pretty low in most cases (except when thebat is doing that 10-sec movement, when the CPU utilization goes up to 100%). Yes, I tried to use maintainance center to purge/compress all folders very frequently (once every couple of days), but this doesn't help at all... -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
On Wednesday, August 25, 2004 it appears that Thomas Martin wrote the following in regards to BayeIT Macros: TM Following order is proofed: TM 1. AntiVirus Plugin TM 2. AntiSpam Plugin TM 3. Filters of the Filtermanager Hi Thomas. Thank you for proofing. That answers that question. TM But there seams to be a other problem with the statistics. E-mail TM which BayesIt classifies as good Mail because of a match in the own TM whitelist are not counted as good mails in the statistic. They don't TM appear there. Other experiences? I don't think it correctly counts the spam mails that are caught by black list either. It may be counting every piece that is marked manually but otherwise I don't know where to go with this. But that's my suspicion. So maybe the problem is *both* blacklist ** whitelist. That might explain the wide discrepancies in the figures. TM But how ever, the plugin works incredible good for what it is TM designed. Killing Spam. Good Job. But a good and correct statistic TM would be fine. Agreed. Seems to be working ok. I suppose I should be grateful for little favors. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield CT USA TB! v2.13 Lucky Beta/8 W2K v5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt Cannot find the file specified
Hi, I have using windows XP with Service Pack 2. I am using BayesIt 5.11. Whenever I try to add something to blacklist or whitelist, I get the error: Cannot find the file specified and the entry is not made. Please tell me what this means and how to fix it. -- :einsteinyoyo: Join the new The Bat! Group - play around with The Bat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11) Total Spam Emails: 37 Total Clean Emails: 47 BayesIT guessed right 99.567568% of the time My email is 44.047619% spam = Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
