Re: G-Mail... Again!
On Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 10:53:43 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas Fernandez wrote: I'm not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that any message that you receive from me (either by TO, CC or BCC) is your and you can do with it what you want, that's OK with me. Right. I didn't send it to the ISP for the purpose of parsing it for their data mining purposes, though. If you agree that any mail sent to you can be parsed, you agree on my behalf that the contents of my message to you can be used by thrid parties, and you never asked me in advance. Yes. We do have a responsibility towards the privacy of the other parties when handling those messages we've received. I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for his own profit. Agreed. Having said all that, I agree that once the message that I sent to you is on your computer, you can do with it what you want. For example, you can edit the subject line to make it easier for you to search for it. Alas, TB's anti-edit advocates see that differently... I don't. :) -- Cheers, -= Allie =- . Never trust a skinny cook. «·» IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro · OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: G-Mail... Again!
Hello Sean, Saturday, December 25, 2004, 6:26:11 AM, you wrote: Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :) Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-: SR ROTFL, yeah that would be one way :) Personally, I like to them to grow in number. Once a week I access the webmail, and there´s always two or three more. -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Diego +-- | The Bat! 3.0.1.33 + K9 v1.28 | Windows XP Build 2600 +-- pgpxNs8ZdmJ0d.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
Hello Watcher, On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:02:37 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 17:02 +0700 GMT), Watcher wrote: W Fact is you don't actually have to pay for software anymore if you W really don't want to because there are hacks and cracks out there for W pretty much anything, including TB. That's true. You also don't have to pay for the caviar in the supermarket if you just put it into your pocket without being seen. W Realizing this, any paid for software is voluntary True. Fortunately for developers, many users who like the product are honest. W even if it's not shareware to anyone that wants to become aware and W doesn't have issues with such things. Well, I do have an issue with such things as theft. -- Cheers, Thomas. No one ever says It's only a game, when their team is winning. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
Hello Allie, On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:45:58 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 19:45 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM OTOH, GMail offers a service, and offerings like that on a mass scale, AM are never charitable. They make money. In this case it's from AM advertising and parsing of the mail of their subscribers. The exact point. The subscriber has agreed to this, the innocent sender of an email to the subscriber hasn't. Let's assume they parse only outgoing email (I don't believe that, but let's just play with this idea). The outgoing email will often contains parts or all of the original incoming email... AM In your ISP's case, it's from direct monetary payment from you and AM their other customers. That's why I suggest using ISPs or email providers who either directly charge money for their service (my choice), or add random ads. -- Cheers, Thomas. Xerox: The Original Copycats Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 26 Dec 2004, @ @ at 05:32:47 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote: I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for his own profit. Agreed. This is a bit controversial; they are not allowed to but technically is not possible to second or protect this rule in any way: postcards are all the way open for previewing. So a post(wo)man simply may say that he was dreaming some info being on postcard, and his/her dream is his/her property, and that's it. (-: That's why people may choose what to use for a private mail: a postcard or an enveloped letter. Expecting for my privacy to be protected by a third party while I myself act quite contrarily, exposing my privacy publicly, on a post card, has no any sense. (: So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious? I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing and hilarious that I *had* to say something, regardless it's a Sunday today and therefore it could be not perhaps appropriate at all. (-: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :happypiglet: [Earth LOG: 116 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBzvyf9q62QPd3XuIRAq0eAKCCH5ax338WQHxmUQ4XedTrLD0sjwCfQcCK dgCP0wcIc86AAYkr4ljxch4= =c3lA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
Hello Allie, On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:32:47 -0500 GMT (26/12/2004, 17:32 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM Yes. We do have a responsibility towards the privacy of the other AM parties when handling those messages we've received. Thanks for agreeing. Having said all that, I agree that once the message that I sent to you is on your computer, you can do with it what you want. For example, you can edit the subject line to make it easier for you to search for it. Alas, TB's anti-edit advocates see that differently... AM I don't. :) Good to know that! :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. No electrons were harmed in the creation, transmission or reading of this email. However, many were excited and some may well have enjoyed the experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:G-Mail... Again!
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, at 23:12:15 [GMT +0700] (1:23 PM here) you wrote: Well, I do have an issue with such things as theft. I do as well, but that was not my point. -- Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Watcher aka Bill DeVos - Random Quote: If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked and dry cleaners depressed? - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6 mQCPA0G35HIBbgEEALMndzJ2lVKRqV0QW/BF4d8goCFkb7B+ojnSBich4YL7db+O gmYvBbxu2oJBo/CCRZeDisYRPdRMFmTvsFqUvkuJOiXNvAkDiFCmIWYVJ0mBu8Es io7DNaxYggbd4uEtOd6OGuytuWea7Yb9+TJraQxG+anKVI8uqdf++W79nFLzABEB AAG0IVdhdGNoZXIgPHRoZS53YXRjaGVyQGJpZ2Zvb3QuY29tPokAlQMFEEG35HLX /vlu/ZxS8wEBroEEAIWxSsL3wrQWJwef4h9DtqTp8Gf05QQk3MYAOeT3myRCXYH4 MKkcHwarhgX9vDNmezf6GihJz6uKUaTzmOAWUPNGEpeG/l1or8+3+y75wYRms8Lg zu7qY2slrfydj4mdvG7T80VPPpjYQKSCJRHoqOstLnLgysF9WwAEXZ9aMYBp =VG8l -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpEGJYV9sfYH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Expanding threads
Hello tbudl, I can't remember or find the keystroke to expand all messages in the threads, anyone recall this? -- Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Watcher aka Bill DeVos - Random Quote: You cannot hurry up the growing of a plant by pulling the leaves. - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6 mQCPA0G35HIBbgEEALMndzJ2lVKRqV0QW/BF4d8goCFkb7B+ojnSBich4YL7db+O gmYvBbxu2oJBo/CCRZeDisYRPdRMFmTvsFqUvkuJOiXNvAkDiFCmIWYVJ0mBu8Es io7DNaxYggbd4uEtOd6OGuytuWea7Yb9+TJraQxG+anKVI8uqdf++W79nFLzABEB AAG0IVdhdGNoZXIgPHRoZS53YXRjaGVyQGJpZ2Zvb3QuY29tPokAlQMFEEG35HLX /vlu/ZxS8wEBroEEAIWxSsL3wrQWJwef4h9DtqTp8Gf05QQk3MYAOeT3myRCXYH4 MKkcHwarhgX9vDNmezf6GihJz6uKUaTzmOAWUPNGEpeG/l1or8+3+y75wYRms8Lg zu7qY2slrfydj4mdvG7T80VPPpjYQKSCJRHoqOstLnLgysF9WwAEXZ9aMYBp =VG8l -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpSiZIYz4iWd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads
On Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 1:54:01 PM [GMT -0500], Watcher wrote: I can't remember or find the keystroke to expand all messages in the threads, anyone recall this? CTRLnum* -- Cheers, -= Allie =- . I have enough trouble single-tasking! «·» IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro · OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
On Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 1:02:09 PM [GMT -0500], Mica wrote: I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing and hilarious that I *had* to say something, I hear you then... :) -- Cheers, -= Allie =- . Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm «·» IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro · OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads
Hi Watcher, on Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:54:01 -0500GMT, you wrote: W I can't remember or find the keystroke to expand all messages in the W threads, anyone recall this? ctrl+numpad* -- Cheers Peter Famous last words - Don't worry, I can handle it. Winamp currently playing: Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!
Friday, December 24, 2004, 11:04:30 AM, you wrote: AM If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the AM money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting. I would agree with you. Google is a business they exist to make money not provide people with free e-mail. I recall when Gmail was just getting going that a California member of congress wanted to make what Google was doing against the law. I became mortified that the government wanted to tell me what kind of e-mail service I could subscribe to. Before I registered the latest version of Opera I was being shown text relevant adds from Google. Yes, Opera and Google were making money off my web browsing. If you don't like these tactics don't subscribe. Oh yeah, I even found a nice merchant through these ads :-P -- David Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidshep.net Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: G-Mail... Again!
Hello Diego, Sunday, December 26, 2004, 11:40:46 AM, you wrote: Hello Sean, Saturday, December 25, 2004, 6:26:11 AM, you wrote: Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :) Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-: SR ROTFL, yeah that would be one way :) Personally, I like to them to grow in number. Once a week I access the webmail, and theres always two or three more. Yeah I access the webmail every so often so that I can check whatr is in the junk/spam folder Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Expanding threads
Hello Peter, On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, at 20:00:18 [GMT +0100] (3:33 PM here) you wrote: ctrl+numpad* I've been searching for that forever, sheesh -- Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Watcher aka Bill DeVos - Random Quote: As long as you do not move you can still choose any direction. - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6 mQCPA0G35HIBbgEEALMndzJ2lVKRqV0QW/BF4d8goCFkb7B+ojnSBich4YL7db+O gmYvBbxu2oJBo/CCRZeDisYRPdRMFmTvsFqUvkuJOiXNvAkDiFCmIWYVJ0mBu8Es io7DNaxYggbd4uEtOd6OGuytuWea7Yb9+TJraQxG+anKVI8uqdf++W79nFLzABEB AAG0IVdhdGNoZXIgPHRoZS53YXRjaGVyQGJpZ2Zvb3QuY29tPokAlQMFEEG35HLX /vlu/ZxS8wEBroEEAIWxSsL3wrQWJwef4h9DtqTp8Gf05QQk3MYAOeT3myRCXYH4 MKkcHwarhgX9vDNmezf6GihJz6uKUaTzmOAWUPNGEpeG/l1or8+3+y75wYRms8Lg zu7qY2slrfydj4mdvG7T80VPPpjYQKSCJRHoqOstLnLgysF9WwAEXZ9aMYBp =VG8l -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpJcojRflqV7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Expanding threads
Good evening Watcher, on Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:33:35 -0500 GMT your local time you wrote: ctrl+numpad* W I've been searching for that forever, sheesh and I am missing urgently a hotkey to expand a single thread while you are reading a message *inside* this thread (ctrl+ only works from the current message down) and also one to collapse a thread (again, ctrl- only works from the level of the currently marked message). Also a hotkey to collapse ALL threads as an opposite to ctrl* would be very useful. -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads
On Sun 26-Dec-04 2:54pm -0600, Peter Hampf wrote: and I am missing urgently a hotkey to expand a single thread while you are reading a message *inside* this thread (ctrl+ only works from the current message down) and also one to collapse a thread (again, ctrl- only works from the level of the currently marked message). Also a hotkey to collapse ALL threads as an opposite to ctrl* would be very useful. To collapse all, use shiftctrl* The other two requests, AFAIK, aren't implemented. Of course you could do the following: Expand single thread while inside: shiftctrl*ctrl+altleft arrow (but all other threads are collapsed) Collapse a thread while inside: shiftctrl* (again, all other threads are collapsed, but you're left at the top of the thread you were in) -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.7 (4-th Adventus) X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 26 Dec 2004, @ @ at 13:59:38 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote: Mica wrote: I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing and hilarious that I *had* to say something, I hear you then... :) Thanks. (: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :banana: [Earth LOG: 117 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBz0uk9q62QPd3XuIRAmfOAJ9nqXHvhYwaUzQu8VLmAUtLmVv9RgCeJXCU Uw5TlPKPJgSHmzMy9VhjRTA= =rRi7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HELP recovering deleted messages!!
I moved some messages from Folder1 to Folder2 (using search window) However Folder1 was still showing message count as before ( this is a BUG. you have to select that folder in order that it shows correct message count ) This made me think that I have emails still in Folder1, so I deleted all mails from Folder2, and then emptied the Trash. And now I have lost emails from Trash, Folder1, Folder2...! ( Essentially I could blame TB for that ) I tried to Browse deleted mails but it shows me only 1 email. Is there any way I can recover all emails that I emptied from Trash. I have not done Purge+Compress so I guess they are still out there. Somebody help :( Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HELP recovering deleted messages!!
ON Monday, December 27, 2004, 3:23:11 AM, you wrote: N Is there any way I can recover all emails that I emptied from Trash. I N have not done Purge+Compress so I guess they are still out there. There is no recovery from a deleted Trash folder which has been purged and compressed. You write that you have not Purged and compressed either folder1 or 2 this means that the mails should still be there. However are you sure you do not have purge and Compress on exit activated in the property settings for that folder? If you have not you should be able to see the emails using browse deleted msg in either folder 1 /2 or the trash folder. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Attitude makes a great putter. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
