Re[2]: Displaying images in email
Hi Thomas, In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF Also, I find it highly annoying that I have to open my webbrowser TF every time a newsletter from Lufthansa comes in. And I highly TF doubt that they will send me webbugs. If they do, it is my own TF responsibility and not that of a nannying email client to decide TF whether I want to download the images or not. I want to whitelist TF Lufthansa. Please do read the wishlist entry. Here it is again: TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780 You have my full support on this. I've already express the same opinion at tbbeta but people tend to impose their reducing ideas instead of leave it up to the user. IMHO, people that want something in a specific way should have the chance to turn a switch on to enable it and people that don't want it would just has to leave it off. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I avoid cliches like the plague. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server certificate problem with TLS
Thursday, September 15, 2005, 8:48:27 PM, you wrote: At the TB forum Maxim came with this workaround: Thanks Roelof, but the issue has disappeared now as FastMail is putting the new frontend into production this weekend with the correct certificate. BTW, what's the TB Forum? -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.07 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Control keys and a question
Hello Roelof, Thursday, September 15, 2005, 6:00:43 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jenny, RO On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:29:25 +0200GMT (15-9-2005, 15:29 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: J Yes this is a big help, is there also a utility or anything to J help maintain the e-mail addresses, or would I have to got to a J mailman-type utility or Yahoo for that? RO Create filters that add/remove contacts from the AB group used for the RO mailing list. Filters that react on subscribe and unsubscribe in the RO subject line will do just fine. Thanks for your help, I've got it all set up now in about 2 hours work! I've put the group names into the bcc field to protect the privacy of the members. -- Kind regards, Jenny Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
Hi Thomas and list, On Friday, September 16, 2005 at 08:45:44 GMT +0700 (which was 03:45 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Displaying images in email: Let's have the same discussion every year. OK - but don't you think it will get boring soon (not that I will say it is not already!). Or, instead, please read the reason in favour of allowing images to be downloaded from the 'net in the wishlist entry. Yep - up to this point i support that entry strongly. rg Should you be able to turn off this protection? One should not only be able to, it should be turned off by default. You've done it at last! no, No, NO! This protection IMHO has to be an option and turned _on_ by default. I prefer the idea in the note that said: Have a marker in an addressbook. If I think about all newbies to which I have recommended TB and who are using it only with default settings switched on... (If I didn't have grey hair already I think I would switch to that colour immediately!) :-) But I smell a trout announcing a dead horse, so I'd relly like to drop that theme for now. -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.61.04 beta, Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4, and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows 2000 Pro 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Finding original sender in forwarded e-mails
Hi Bat! Fans, Is it possible to find the original sender's addy somehow from the kludges in forwarded e-mails? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Exercise before kinky sex - you should be fit to be tied. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
CanŽt find Allow local delivery option
Hi Bat Users, Can someone tell me what were the option Allow local delivery has moved to? It used to be under Options Network Admin. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Real men don't ask directions = Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
On Friday, September 16, 2005, at 07:29 AM, rich gregory wrote: GF IMHO, people that want something in a specific way should have the GF chance to turn a switch on to enable it and people that don't want it GF would just has to leave it off. Ah-HA! Another anarchist! Welcome, friend, have a beer as well. LOL! I wouldn't class advocacy of such a feature as anarchy. During the rocky period of TB! IMAP, I quite enjoyed ThunderBird for its ability to selectively load images for HTML mail. I had the feature disabled by default (the recommended way). It's definitely better than loading the message in my browser. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.61.03 beta System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...This is Borg. ESC is futile CTRL is inevitable Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
Hello Gerard! On Friday, September 16, 2005, 7:41 AM, you wrote: Can someone tell me what were the option Allow local delivery has moved to? It used to be under Options Network Admin. Still there in the beta that I'm running, v. 3.61.04. A checkbox in The Bat!/Options/NetworkAdministration--after you click on NetworkAdministration to view its dialogue box. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.61.04 beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
ON Friday, September 16, 2005, 3:00:24 PM, you wrote: MB Hello Gerard! MB Still there in the beta that I'm running, v. 3.61.04. MB A checkbox in The Bat!/Options/NetworkAdministration--after you click MB on NetworkAdministration to view its dialogue box. Mary, Well it is missing from the current official release 3.60.07. There is only a box which lets you select Local or Dialup connection and some option, but no allow local delivery option here :( -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- She has a very sharp wit, and she wields it like a blunt instrument. -- Stone Phillips Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Confused about keyboard shortcuts (again)
Hello, I'd like to set up some keyboard shortcuts to move between messages: Forward/Back = ./, I have set this up in the View Message Folder section and it works nicely when I view each message in its own viewer window. I'd also like this to work when I'm reading messages in the regular 3-panel view. If I set the shortcuts up in my custom toolbar in the Main Form section then they also operate in the compose window. This is a real handicap when it comes to punctuation! I thought that the scope of the shortcuts should prevent them from operating in that window. Am I wrong, or is it TB!? TIA -- Nick TheBat!: v3.60.07 on Windows XP Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
Hello Gerard! On Friday, September 16, 2005, 8:12 AM, you wrote: MB Still there in the beta that I'm running, v. 3.61.04. MB A checkbox in The Bat!/Options/NetworkAdministration--after you click MB on NetworkAdministration to view its dialogue box. Well it is missing from the current official release 3.60.07. There is only a box which lets you select Local or Dialup connection and some option, but no allow local delivery option here :( I'm sorry. Lately the full releases seem to retain some of the deficiencies of the last beta release before full release. I think it's because such a major reworking of the user interface has been going on over the past few months. So far as I recall, that missing checkbox wasn't spotted in the run-up to 3.60.07. I myself certainly wouldn't have thought to check for it, because I've had no occasion to change that configuration. I think you have two choices: 1) Wait for the next full release. 2) Download and run beta 3.61.04, in which the deficiency is corrected. Be aware that there are some small menu mistakes in beta 3.61.04. Two recently pointed out on TBBETA: 1) In View/Themes only the default is available--Default (Windows). 2) In Options/Preferences the order of some menu items has been rearranged in an illogical manner; although the items are still there. I have no doubt these will be corrected in an upcoming beta. However, the user interface is still a work-in-progress. When has TB! not been a work in progress? LOL But it's still the best e-mail client I've ever found for my own needs. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Pro 3.61.04 beta (no OTFE) with 2 POP3 accounts served by broadband internet access, LAN, to TCP/IP work station on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
ON Friday, September 16, 2005, 3:27:06 PM, you wrote: MB I think you have two choices: MB 1) Wait for the next full release. MB 2) Download and run beta 3.61.04, in which the deficiency is MBcorrected. Mary, If it is stable enough I would like to try the beta. Can you send me a download link pls. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Welcome to Dante's! Which level of Hell will you be visiting today? Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
Hello Gerard! On Friday, September 16, 2005, 9:00 AM, you wrote: MB 2) Download and run beta 3.61.04, in which the deficiency is MBcorrected. If it is stable enough I would like to try the beta. Can you send me a download link pls. It's stable for me, running only POP3 accounts. Some people using IMAP have registered some complaints. Here's the link: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36104.rar If you're not subscribed to TBBETA, it would be helpful if you'd subscribe there and report flaws that you find on that list. Pretty please? :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.61.04 beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CanŽt find Allow local delivery op tion
ON Friday, September 16, 2005, 4:11:09 PM, you wrote: MB Hello Gerard! MB 2) Download and run beta 3.61.04, in which the deficiency is MBcorrected. Mary, Just installed version 3.61.04 beta (I double check in the about window) but still no option allowing or actually disallowing local delivery. It currently does local delivery. This seems to suggest that it must have something to do with my setup or configuration. I am using the businesses version with encrypted database and I therefor have a pw on my TB! system. I did not have a encrypted system on my previous system so that might be the difference. To check this I will uninstall TB! and switch back to un-encrypted :( -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Weinberg's First Law - Progress is made on alternate Fridays. Using The Bat! v3.61.04 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Finding original sender in forwarded e-mails
Hallo John, On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:31:10 +1000GMT (16-9-2005, 12:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JP Is it possible to find the original sender's addy somehow from the kludges JP in forwarded e-mails? Not in the kludges. It happens often enough that you can find it in the message body, but the kludges are created anew with all clients I know. With redirected messages several kludges are unaltered, but that depends on the implementation of the client. -- Groetjes, Roelof 4 aces beats full house. Smith Wesson beats 4 aces. The Bat! 3.61.04 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp2iK8TkUPmz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
Hello zwjunk, On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:25:54 -0400 GMT (16/09/2005, 09:25 +0700 GMT), zwjunk wrote: z Ritlabs (do they even monitor this list) - IT'S REALLY REALLY REALLY getting z more and more BURDENSOME to use TB as more and more emails are IMPOSSIBLE to z read without launching the html attachment. I'm talking stuff from Microsoft, z PayPal, eBay, and MANY more senders of some of my most critical email! I agree, but I don't think they read this list. z jon (who will be dropping TB just as soon as I can find an z alternative email client that has the great folder-specific z templates and macro capabilities of TB...) I don't think you'll find another client with these capabilities... -- Cheers, Thomas. Nennen Sie ein anderes Gericht als das Bundesverfassungsgericht: Erbsengericht Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
Hello Michael, On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:39:36 +0200 GMT (16/09/2005, 15:39 +0700 GMT), Michael Geyer wrote: rg Should you be able to turn off this protection? One should not only be able to, it should be turned off by default. MG You've done it at last! no, No, NO! This protection IMHO has to be an MG option and turned _on_ by default. I prefer the idea in the note that MG said: Have a marker in an addressbook. I think we mean the same. The default should be that images are NOT dowloaded. MG But I smell a trout announcing a dead horse, so I'd relly like to drop MG that theme for now. I don't smell a trout, I think this is very on-topic. -- Cheers, Thomas. Ueberleben im Klassenzimmer, Beratung und Supervision fur Lehrer(innen). * Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
Hello Goncalo, On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:07:39 +0100 GMT (16/09/2005, 13:07 +0700 GMT), Goncalo Farias wrote: GF IMHO, people that want something in a specific way should have the GF chance to turn a switch on to enable it and people that don't want it GF would just has to leave it off. Exactly. Please support the wish. -- Cheers, Thomas. No one ever falls in love with another person's mind at a cocktail party. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying images in email
Hello rich, On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:07 -0400 GMT (16/09/2005, 09:39 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: rg Should you be able to turn off this protection? TF One should not only be able to, it should be turned off by default. rg The protection is ON by default. (We are protected from evil web images) And this is good. rg I meant to say that if you want to turn OFF your protection from rg downloaded web content, leaving you unprotected from all those HTML rg images coming in all willy-nilly in your email, you should be able to rg do that. I am a bit of an anarchist, I suppose! Not an anarchist, and I agree with you. rg See, we agree.. I don't do it often but there are some vendors I do rg business with (or airlines' newsletters) for example where I will rg simply click the HTML button. Viola! I can see the blinky pictures rg they want me to look at. I never said I like this, but there are times rg I do it anyway! (Sometimes I want to, sometimes I have to, but the rg choice is there and that's why we are here!) Yes, and I want those newsletters of my choice to download images. TF O G, I'm in the mood again. ;-) rg I guess! Have a beer! Done. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version 2.12 crashes upon opening eMail message
Hello the Bat! list: My version 2.12 of the Bat! crashes and chokes upon opening an inbox eMail message which I received recently. The eMail message is from a stranger and the subject line looks very spammy. Thought the message has an attachment, I did NOT open (repeat: did NOT) open the attachment...I just opened the eMail message by double-clicking on the message (NOT the attachment) in my INBOX and the Bat! version 2.12 crashes saying on top of the screen not responding. It affects my version 2.12 of the Bat! and I am able to take control of the rest of the OS (Win XP Home ed. SP2 installed) by being able to shut down. I would like to delete this problem eMail message but how do I do this without opening up the message?? Help! -- Best regards, Eric mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
spam filtering
Hi All I finally gave up on using the bayes filtering in TB! and decided to try K9. It is working very well the only problem I have now is with one newsletter I receive. The newsletter has this header X-Habeas-Report: Please report use of this mark in spam to... This causes my filter to put the newsletter in my spam folder since my filter looks for the word spam in the headers. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Is there a more sophisticated way to setup my filter to work with K9? -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 pgpPIDqS5qc9w.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.12 crashes upon opening eMail message
Hello Eric, A reminder of what Eric D. Bautista typed on: Friday, September 16, 2005 at 14:06:46 GMT -0400 EDB Hello the Bat! list: EDB My version 2.12 of the Bat! crashes and chokes upon opening an inbox eMail EDB message which I received recently. The eMail message is from a EDB stranger and the subject line looks very spammy. EDB Thought the message has an attachment, I did NOT open (repeat: did EDB NOT) open the attachment...I just opened the eMail message by EDB double-clicking on the message (NOT the attachment) in my INBOX and EDB the Bat! version 2.12 crashes saying on top of the screen not EDB responding. It affects my version 2.12 of the Bat! and I am able to take control of EDB the rest of the OS (Win XP Home ed. SP2 installed) by being able to EDB shut down. EDB I would like to delete this problem eMail message but how do I do this EDB without opening up the message?? EDB Help! Go to Account/Dispatch Mail on Server/All Messages. Find the offending message and put a check mark in the Delete box. Then click on Message/Start Transfer. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.12 crashes upon opening eMail message
Hello Eric, On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:06:46 -0400 GMT (17/09/2005, 01:06 +0700 GMT), Eric D. Bautista wrote: EDB I would like to delete this problem eMail message but how do I do this EDB without opening up the message?? Use the Despatcher and delete the message from server. But before you do that, forward the message to me by PM. -- Cheers, Thomas. The most precious thing we have is life. Yet it has absolutely no trade-in value. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.12 crashes upon opening eMail message
Hello Eric! On Friday, September 16, 2005, 1:06 PM, you wrote: My version 2.12 of the Bat! crashes and chokes upon opening an inbox eMail message which I received recently. The eMail message is from a stranger and the subject line looks very spammy. ... I would like to delete this problem eMail message but how do I do this without opening up the message?? It's been a long time since I've used v. 2.12. In my 3.xx TB!, I have a right-click context menu. It offers a number of choices of things to do with a message, including Delete. If I had that problem, I would put my cursor on the listing of that message in the Folder Message List, right-click, and then select and click on Delete. Then I would go down to my Trash folder, click on the Folder menu and select first Empty, and then, Purge+Compress. See if you have the right-click context menu in v. 2.12? Let us know if this strategy gets rid of the message for you? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spam filtering
Hello Terry, On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 at 11:21:48 -0700, (which is 16.09.2005 at 21:21:48 +2000 where I live), you wrote: This causes my filter to put the newsletter in my spam folder since my filter looks for the word spam in the headers. You can try to look entire header line instead of only spam word in headers. I don't know how Your K9 is configured but mine is configured to put X-Text-Classification: spam for spam messages. So Your filter should look something like: Header Contains X-Text-Classification: spam -- Best regards, Zeynel :flag-turkey: Running The Bat! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) Translation of Turkish The Bat! ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spam filtering
Hello Zeynel, Friday, September 16, 2005, 11:47:23 AM, you wrote: You can try to look entire header line instead of only spam word in headers. Perfect...thanks for the help. -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 pgpGmjymnyWBL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.12 crashes upon opening eMail message
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 16, 2005, 11:25:11 AM, you wrote: Use the Despatcher and delete the message from server. But before you do that, forward the message to me by PM. Curiosity killed the cat! ;-) -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 pgpS1NgDdd1y0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
