Clean installation?
Hi, i have a 1Gb message base with 9 accounts and a number of filters which has evolved since TB 1.62 I am having trouble restoring this into Voyager and would like to know the best way to do a clean install and just keep the messages and folder structure and the filters. What is the recommended way to 'clean up' a TB installation? -- Thanks PJ Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Difference between versions
Hello Everyone, I just went to the ritlabs homepage to check on TB and noticed that a new version is available. Before everyone gets excited, its 3.85.03 and apart from me, everyone else probably knows about this as it happened almost two months ago. The what's new sections provides lots of details as to the differences to Version 3.80.06 but I am running 3.85.02. Does anyone know what has changed from 3.85.02 to 03 and if it is worthwile to change/ upgrade? -- Best regards, Tom using TheBat! 3.85.02 on XP Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi TBUDL, I have three accounts in The Bat! Normally, when I create filters they apply to the specific account in which they were created. Later when a correspondent sends a message to that account it is filtered properly, assuming I have set the filter up properly. That is the behavior I would anticipate, and it is the behavior I see. All is good. But sometimes that same correspondent sends a message to one of my other accounts. And when that happens, his message is not filtered because the filter was defined, and therefore resides, in another account. Again, that is what I would expect, and The Bat! performs as it should. But I'd like to collect all messages from that same correspondent into one folder in one of my three accounts no matter which account he sent it to, and I'd like to do that automatically with filters. That, it seems to me, is one of the rationales for the use of common filters. When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. Therefore I have the option to create a common filter *from* any account when I'm on a message of the type I want to filter. That's good, I think. I conclude that if I want to filter all messages from a particular correspondent into a folder, regardless of the account to which it is sent, I should create a common filter for incoming messages from that correspondent. So I tested my thinking. I created a common filter for one of my correspondents that moves his messages into the folder of my choice, and it didn't work. Upon investigating the cause, I realized that I had to have the common filter apply to all accounts (an option for which is found under a tab that exists only for common filters). I changed that option and re-tested the filter, and now it works as I had anticipated. Excellent, says I. So now I have a way to create filters that apply to all accounts, and I've solved this particular problem. I wanted to share this musing with you, in the event that you too have a similar need. As I think about this strategy however, the only downside I see is that I must remember to check that create common filter checkbox. Unfortunately, remembering isn't one of my strong suits. So it occurs to me that it might be desirable to have the option to make create common filter a sticky selection, which is off by default but which a user can turn on if she or he knows the consequences and wishes to have The Bat! exhibit that behavior. Also, I think it would be helpful if The Bat! would prompt me when I save a common filter to specify which accounts I want it applied to, again because of the likelihood that I would forget to go to the common filter and specify that option. Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? If not, what are the pitfalls you see or reasons why you don't think it is a good idea. Thanks for the benefit of your thoughts. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry! On Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 7:19 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! Write the Wish List report, please. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Mary, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:58:34 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? MB Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! MB Write the Wish List report, please. Thanks for the support, Mary. I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had a chance to weigh in though. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler piles up old events
Hello Chris, Anyone found an easier way to do this? Or to hide events that have passed? Options Preferences Other Options SmartBat Automatically remove completed events after ... That option was set. Still nothing happens: even older events still show up after 10 days. Maybe TB does not recognize them as completed? -- Martin TB! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken .sig delimiter
Hello Stuart, On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:04:35 + GMT (31/10/2006, 19:04 +0700 GMT), Stuart Hemming wrote: SH So, I create a new message (this one), I 'fix' the delimiter by adding SH the trailing space. There is no evidence (in the MicroEd editor that SH I'm using) that the space is there. Now, believe me, I've put it in, SH let's see what happens. It's gone. My guess: You played with it and the cursor was on that line. If that happens, the editor will de-recognize it to be a sig delimiter, and you have to add the blank at the end of the line, hit enter and leave the line alone. So, checking while editing causes the problem. Let's now talk about Schroedinger's Cat, but let's move it to TBUDL. -- Cheers, Thomas. What is this? Arnold Schwarzenegger has a big one... Cher and Madonna don't have one... And the Pope doesn't use his... Answer: A Last Name! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Mary, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:16:46 AM, you wrote: MB But I copied your post to my Troubleshooting file, so I won't have MB to do a search here when I'm ready to use it. Thanks for elaborating on your possible use of my idea. For things like this, rather than copying to a file, I've created a color group that I call Instructional, though it could just as easily be called Troubleshooting if you prefer, and I've created a virtual folder for such messages. Just another way to skin a cat. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation?
Hallo Paul, On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:41:37 +GMT (31-10-2006, 9:41 , where I live), you wrote: PJ What is the recommended way to 'clean up' a TB installation? Create a full backup, uninstall TB and install it again with a restore from backup. You'll need to manually move (don't delete it yet) the old message base as that won't be deleted by the uninstall procedure and the restore procedure wants to place the message base to the same spot. To enable your preferences and registration info, you'll need to close TB after restoring the backup and start it again. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpdFA7gZGgFj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry! On Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:20 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? MB Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! MB Write the Wish List report, please. Thanks for the support, Mary. I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had a chance to weigh in though. Makes sense. You did ask for discussion, pro and con. I would find it quite useful. I happen to have three accounts, and a favorite relative occasionally writes to all three. I read him by clicking on the MailTicker, and then I have to hunt the message down, in one of two other inboxes, since that message didn't come in to the account that filters him to his folder. Not a really big deal, but multiplied by several, could get time-consuming. I didn't have time to study your work-around and implement it. I'm dealing with a number of other issues this morning, including a new computer's vagaries. But I copied your post to my Troubleshooting file, so I won't have to do a search here when I'm ready to use it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Perry Nelson @ 2006-10-31 7:19:38 AM Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. Personally, I never create filters this way. I just using the Sorting Office. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Terribly pleased pgpZ0i18kQOGD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Chris, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 2:59:46 PM, you wrote: When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. CW Personally, I never create filters this way. I just using the CW Sorting Office. I respect the fact that there are several different ways to create a filter, so my request wouldn't help you, it seems. On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt you either, I assume. Thanks for your input. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail from Tom
Hello Roland Burger everyone else, on 31-Okt-2006 at 14:48 you (Roland Burger) wrote: I'm only getting many duplicates from the message of Tom with MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in TBUDL and no other mails. After downloading this TheBat closes!!! No problem here. This message and all other messages download just fine. All what I tried - also dongrading - has been without success. AVG said that I have no viruses! As it previously has been said to you by me and others (I hope you do read the *sighing* in that sentence!): - delete the offending message from the server with the message dispatcher. - remove ALL plug-ins from The Bat In addition: - try to uninstall AVG (at least for testing). It may interfere with downloading mail in that it locks the temp files of TB. PLEASE, try this and give us *feedback* if it works or not! Its no use to ask the same question over and over again if we don't know whether you tried what has been suggested to you And since you downgraded, and nothing changed I also dare say that this is most likely NOT a beta issue but some sort of plugin/antivirus problem. I therefore CC this reply to TBUDL and kindly ask you to reply on TBUDL and not on TBBETA, so that other regular users can benefit from the result or are made aware of an unusual problem. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Those who are affected by music can be divided into two classes: those who hear the spiritual meaning, and those who hear the material sound. There are good and evil results in each case. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 31-Okt-2006 at 14:19 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? If not, what are the pitfalls you see or reasons why you don't think it is a good idea. I don't know if it is really necessary to have a configuration option for the state of a single tickbox, really. After all, creating a filter requires a bit of attention right from the start, and I think now that you're aware that you can create common filters that way, you'll remember to check that tickbox. ;-) However, you have mentioned another point that would be worth a wishlist entry because IMHO, a new common filter by default should simply apply to all accounts (I've stumbled over this each time I created a new common filter). After all, the whole point of common filters is that they apply to multiple accounts. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Sun by The Ambush (from the 1994 album The Ambush) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Perry, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 7:20:19 PM, you wrote: PN I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had PN a chance to weigh in though. I support it wholeheartedly. I have two main accounts and my wife has one, and we do get mail from friends to all of them; in fact, friends for some reason will copy all three on the same e-mail even though they know all three are on one little laptop here. I've set up filters manually for them by copying them one by one, but it would indeed be nice to do it your way, and I'll will implement it ASAP. - -- Thanks, Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFR3VKAAoJELf6ImSjvaeWVEYP/jBqW2sHycrkKYyVG+vi8W57 2c5x1WU6THS5riXFllWOv3+9B7WDYEemDpUCUWPtr7z4gMkLpfGp3SM1vN6GvOpO qcwi49kdZUOS72yKAg3sD8SU9oL0YZkGovLx2Oyx9FdF/VZWOXroBNFz3B1d6jb3 XN7VM2L1613/4u5TMiILmac4FP3YxTsYqjbMncYhOX18PG3+8Q9TuMgOcFfIlC86 r1V6ItEU0C/mYRU6mlhl/Uf3D7smhjlols1HICP+ytlpDPoLVbpDrG0JfIelbIhc 78AC07DKsElzftIy7UpLER3W600NwDwfv0Mun2Bo3hkVjRdrakjb2XoNA0yhpog2 lX1aMVM40AVz0wkFvrX1jkB2+nmQhCdsOzfWW+05DpGNXnmZmr60CHIzxVKMfloX JcoLCANBZDbh7/qBR7M4gr+eiGZX82OtXhjycScvNvvLdJShTgfTzYCuhaO2OvmT krWgnjNx1KFMVc+dLtrLROxImHwQghaKRO3n4PFGh0Ns+74foyn4zwMQ7v1ESOlP /qxlNNs3LtwzCX4NpM8vA+bLY3GU8NcRfoWAps3q8uLIJ3QaIc8xDQl3sN88xO/E btYlMrQuaENfm2wTLmxSMnUOVHoHLcb16IeTuFjgk+iKIQreJrRcbW9Cy5k6C2yT ntmeEf8Nny//Rr28wWBD =Uh6C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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html email double spaced at gmail
It seems that if I forward or originate a HTML email in TB! it will always get double spaced when viewed at gmail. Any ideas ? plain text email is fine. -- thanks heaps, davidp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Send To and TB
I've had repeated problems with Send To when trying to send a Word doc via email. When I click Send To TB opens but there is no compose window and more often than not TB and Word just hang up. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? Thanks, Larry -- TheBat! 3.85.01 Windows XP Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Richard, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:09:49 AM, you wrote: RHS I support it wholeheartedly. I have two main accounts and my wife RHS has one, and we do get mail from friends to all of them; in fact, RHS friends for some reason will copy all three on the same e-mail even RHS though they know all three are on one little laptop here. I've set RHS up filters manually for them by copying them one by one, but it RHS would indeed be nice to do it your way, and I'll will implement it RHS ASAP. Thanks for your input, Richard. Fortunately for both of us, using common filters doesn't require any changes to The Bat!. That capability already exists. It only requires a little more attention to detail than I sometimes give to what I'm doing. If I could set the dialog to remember my preference for creating common filters, it would make my life a little easier. The Bat! already epitomizes the essence of choice in many things. This wish merely extends that trend, it seems to me. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Alexander, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 5:08:07 PM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? ASK I don't know if it is really necessary to have a configuration ASK option for the state of a single tickbox, really. After all, ASK creating a filter requires a bit of attention right from the start, ASK and I think now that you're aware that you can create common ASK filters that way, you'll remember to check that tickbox. ;-) Your point is well taken. Now that I am aware of how to do this, I'm sure that's the way I'll create most, if not all, filters in the future, and that is why I'd like the tickbox to be sticky. My rationale for making it a configuration option is that I don't want to impose my preferences on everyone else by requesting that the option be set that way by default, thus requiring everyone else to either follow my practice or to have to untick it, if they don't want it that way. ASK However, you have mentioned another point that would be worth a ASK wishlist entry because IMHO, a new common filter by default should ASK simply apply to all accounts (I've stumbled over this each time I ASK created a new common filter). After all, the whole point of common ASK filters is that they apply to multiple accounts. :-) I agree, as you would suspect. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send To and TB
Hello Larry, On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] LW I've had repeated problems with Send To when trying to send a Word doc LW via email. When I click Send To TB opens but there is no compose LW window and more often than not TB and Word just hang up. Works fine here. Normally I use the add attachment within TB but I've just tried Send To from within Word 2000 and it worked fine. It first asked me which account to use (I don't have a password) and then the edit box came up with the file attached ready to send. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.3 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
