Re[2]: Account for common virtual folders
Hello MFPA, Monday, January 28, 2008, 1:31:41 AM, you wrote: Here, if I create a new message when the selected folder is a common virtual folder I get a dialog box to select the account before a new message window opens. I also get this if I click a mailto: link. Do you have a default account defined (check under the account settings/general if the box at this is the default account for mailto: url's is checked on any account)? I get this dialog box when clicking on a mailto: - link without having a default account defined. But when creating a message from a virtual folder I don't get it. The version I am currently using is 4.0.0.15 alpha, but the behaviour was the same with 3.99.x. -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 128518 * IMAP configuration
Hi Peter, i use TB v.3.0.1.33. Well, TB IMAP is still not perfect but is better in the later versions. This might be very much in the eye of the beholder. At least in v3.0.1.33 I don't have to restart TheBat a couple of times each day when I notice that server checking has stopped and new messages are no longer recognized. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp1YSa6Lr00o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 128518 * IMAP configuration
monsell, On 28-01-2008 08:57, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, since this is not my personal email but it is our company email, I want all messages to be downloaded, just like the POP interface and what i do is store the the IN messages in a different folder called X and the SENT messages are stored in another folder called Y. I store messages upto 5 months old. Well, this should pose no problem. You can do this with filters, server-side or local. The beauty of IMAP is that if you need your mail from another computer or via webmail, all your mail (also old mail) is there, in the folders you have created for it. This is very important especially during after office hours or during a week end. I check mail leaving them on the server, during this period and once in office, down load them all and clear the server due to restricted space allocation on the server. Well, you can have folders on the server in which you can store you mail. When you have fully synchronized them (so the full message is local), you can move them to a local folder freeing up space on the server. Let me get this straight, once the IMAP is configured and your server comes online, the IN box is filled with messages as appearing on your server, but the IN box does not have the messages downloaded? It depends on your synchronization settings. Please review them: they should be fairly self explanatory. Is it a copy of the messages that appears in your IN box? No it _is_ the messages on the server. Delete one - and it's gone on the server (after you purge). Then, how do i activate the filters for this IN box if the messages are itself not physically downloaded? You can have server-side filtering and local filtering. If you retrieve message structures with message headers you can filter on some thing but in order to filter on contents in the text of the mail you need to synchronize Headers and text. This way you can filter as with POP3. do i have to move the messages from IN box to X box and then run the filters from here? You can have filters moving messages from the inbox to any folder (local or server-side). do you mean that the folders in the server should be created or the desktop client that i use? To get the full use of IMAP you should create folders on the server. Again, you _could_ do a full sync. and just move the messages to a local folder, but then you're not really working with IMAP as it is intended. in our server it got only IN,OUT,SENT and TRASH but in my desktop client (TB), i got a lot of folders, sub-folders, filters and sub-filters since i use POP interface. You can have folders on IMAP servers, too. Maybe not sub-folders - I think this depends on the server. Sorry, but the IMAP is still a bit complicated for me, but would really want to set it up to run smoothly. I think you should google a bit for IMAP in order to understand what that protocol entails. I know it's a little difficult since it's different from POP but to me it's really much better than POP. i use TB v.3.0.1.33. May be this is an old version but would like to stick with it since i dont want any problems trying to install newer versions and lose all what i got, incase of a problem. Well, TB IMAP is still not perfect but is better in the later versions. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.99.24 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
128518 * IMAP configuration
Hi Mr Peter, On 28-01-2008 08:57, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, since this is not my personal email but it is our company email, I want all messages to be downloaded, just like the POP interface and what i do is store the the IN messages in a different folder called X and the SENT messages are stored in another folder called Y. I store messages upto 5 months old. Well, this should pose no problem. You can do this with filters, server-side or local. ++ I tried the configuration once more of the IMAP interface (actually this is my 3rd time that i am configuring since i deleted the account on previous two occasions as i did not understand the settings and working out of the IMAP). works fine now. just to double check with you, 1. once the mail is moved from the IN box and this IN box folder is purged (Folder purge+compress), the messages are automatically deleted from the server. 2. tried a filter. once received in the IN box it does not get filtered. but after some time when manual filtering is done, it works fine. how can i solve this problem? could it be configured to automatically go into the filter folder when the message appears in the In box itself (like the POP interface)? my situation is that i dont delete any mail, but move them to the back up X (IN) and Y (SENT) folders respectively whilst others are automatically moved into the filter folders. +++ The beauty of IMAP is that if you need your mail from another computer or via webmail, all your mail (also old mail) is there, in the folders you have created for it. This is very important especially during after office hours or during a week end. I check mail leaving them on the server, during this period and once in office, down load them all and clear the server due to restricted space allocation on the server. Well, you can have folders on the server in which you can store you mail. When you have fully synchronized them (so the full message is local), you can move them to a local folder freeing up space on the server. + i do not wish to have folders on the server but i have instead set to view full messages which means, i guess, is that the entire message is down loaded and ofcourse later on i move them to the X folder at the end of the day. in the manage IMAP folders (account--imap commands--manage imap folders) where you set the IN box to synchronize (this option is selected), i have accidentally deleted the sub-folders coming under the INBOX which is OUT, SENT and TRASH. will this cause a problem? since the IN box synchronization is selected under ALL MESSAGES, it is only this box that works with the server directly, right? do i have to move the messages from IN box to X box and then run the filters from here? You can have filters moving messages from the inbox to any folder (local or server-side). as said previously, i triggered one filter to check with IMAP but it is not automatically moved into filtered folder but only after sometime that when manually done, it is moved. what may be the reason for this? will be pleased to hear from you and thank you in advance for same. -- best regards rizvi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 128518 * IMAP configuration
Hello Monsell, A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed on: Monday, January 28, 2008 at 20:15:10 GMT +0530 mmic as said previously, i triggered one filter to check with IMAP but it mmic is not automatically moved into filtered folder but only after mmic sometime that when manually done, it is moved. what may be the reason mmic for this? Under Account Properties/Mail Management/IMAP Fine Tune do you have Auto-Filtering selected? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.13 (ALPHA) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP vs POP
Hello Stuart, A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on: Monday, January 28, 2008 at 11:59:42 GMT -0600 PK Cab anyone direct me to a website or somewhere where I can learn what is PK the advantage of IMAP compared to POP, and how to use it. SC Here is a paper on it, although there must be better sites for the SC topic. Ooops. http://www.cs.arizona.edu/computing/email/imap-pop.html -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.13 (ALPHA) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP vs POP
Hello tbudl, Cab anyone direct me to a website or somewhere where I can learn what is the advantage of IMAP compared to POP, and how to use it. Thank you. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.99.29, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP vs POP
Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Kerekes typed on: Monday, January 28, 2008 at 12:42:34 GMT -0500 PK Cab anyone direct me to a website or somewhere where I can learn what is PK the advantage of IMAP compared to POP, and how to use it. Here is a paper on it, although there must be better sites for the topic. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.13 (ALPHA) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(OT) Passing of Kevin Coates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Dear all, as I learned today, Kevin Coates has passed away. After years of battling cancer, he finally succumbed. Here is what Mike Daigle said on the GSWoT list (Gossamer Spider Web of Trust, where Kevin was also a member): ,- | It is with heavy heart that I announce the passing of Kevin Coates. | | Kevin and I had been virtual acquaintances since the forming of the | GSWoT. We would chat almost daily, and even had our local mail servers | set to send mail to each other's PC directly. We often experimented with | new software. Two heads are better than one, after all. Kevin will be | dearly missed. `- I can only sign this. It was much alike here, albeit in 2003-2005 relating to The Bat! and PGP issues. Many of you will also remember him, as he was very active on PGP issues as well as The Bat!'s development. - -- Sad regards Peter xpost2pgp-basics,tbudl,tbbeta,tbot ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.51 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication iD8DBQFHnj6zAzZSBuEHdM4RAx9/AKC+WUCko4+qmfF8Cf2ZUN4PCCxzwgCfSmV6 a9Jb4VDRcAPwjfV6zyxb4hw= =rLLe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account for common virtual folders
Hi On Monday 28 January 2008 at 9:07:42 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: Do you have a default account defined No. I want to choose the account each time I write a message. (check under the account settings/general if the box at this is the default account for mailto: url's is checked on any account)? Is there really nowhere to just look/set what is the default without searching the properties of each account individually? I get this dialog box when clicking on a mailto: - link without having a default account defined. I also get it if I have a password-protected account defined as the mailto: default (provided TB! is not open at the time with that account expanded). But when creating a message from a virtual folder I don't get it. If you put a password-protected account at the top of the list in your account tree, I would expect you to get the pop-up when creating a new message while viewing a virtual or a common folder (as long as that account is not expanded). I have a dummy account there with no server settings - this must be why! The version I am currently using is 4.0.0.15 alpha, but the behaviour was the same with 3.99.x. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Best regards, MFPA My mind works like lightning... one brilliant flash and it's gone Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Hi On Saturday 26 January 2008 at 6:03:35 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Costas Papadopoulos wrote: One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use with The Bat. I just use The Bat!'s own filters system. Needs only occasional tweaking. No automated figures available but I would guess 95% to 99% effective. Very few falsely moved to spam folders once you get the filters right. I generally get very little spam (1-5 per day) but every few months I will get a deluge of about 3000-4000 spread over a few days. My filters usually only miss about 25-30 of this deluge, just means my spam is predictable. Somebody using Regular Expressions could probably achieve greater accuracy. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't cry because it is over - smile because it happened Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP vs POP
Hello Stuart, Monday, January 28, 2008, 1:38:21 PM, you wrote: Stuart Hello Stuart, Stuart A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on: Stuart Monday, January 28, 2008 at 11:59:42 GMT -0600 PK Cab anyone direct me to a website or somewhere where I can learn what is PK the advantage of IMAP compared to POP, and how to use it. SC Here is a paper on it, although there must be better sites for the SC topic. Stuart Ooops. Stuart http://www.cs.arizona.edu/computing/email/imap-pop.html Thanks for the link. I read it, interesting. For the time being I will stay woth POP since using only a single computer. However that may change in the future. I presume I can use theBat for IMAP accounts. Thanks again for the instructive document. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.99.29, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Passing of Kevin Coates
Hi Peter, Thank you for the notice, Peter. Kevin was a very helpful and honorable person and he will be missed. On Monday, January 28, 2008 at 3:45:29 PM you wrote: PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- PM Hash: RIPEMD160 PM Dear all, PM as I learned today, Kevin Coates has passed away. After years of PM battling cancer, he finally succumbed. PM Here is what Mike Daigle said on the GSWoT list (Gossamer Spider Web PM of Trust, where Kevin was also a member): PM ,- PM | It is with heavy heart that I announce the passing of Kevin Coates. PM | PM | Kevin and I had been virtual acquaintances since the forming of the PM | GSWoT. We would chat almost daily, and even had our local mail servers PM | set to send mail to each other's PC directly. We often experimented with PM | new software. Two heads are better than one, after all. Kevin will be PM | dearly missed. PM `- PM I can only sign this. It was much alike here, albeit in 2003-2005 PM relating to The Bat! and PGP issues. PM Many of you will also remember him, as he was very active on PGP PM issues as well as The Bat!'s development. -- Regards, Maggie If I do not speak in a language that can be understood, there is little chance for a dialogue. -bell hooks Emailing with The Bat! 3.99.29 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP vs POP
Hello Stuart, Monday, January 28, 2008, 12:59:42 PM, you wrote: Stuart Hello Peter, Stuart A reminder of what Peter Kerekes typed on: Stuart Monday, January 28, 2008 at 12:42:34 GMT -0500 PK Cab anyone direct me to a website or somewhere where I can learn what is PK the advantage of IMAP compared to POP, and how to use it. Stuart Here is a paper on it, although there must be better sites for the Stuart topic. Thanks, but I think you missed (or I cannot see) the link. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.99.29, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?
Saturday, January 26, 2008, 6:03:14 PM, you wrote: I would ideally like to isolate spam for inspection rather than have it automatically deleted. Mailwasher does not automatically delete on the server. Instead you run it as a separate program and it shows you all incoming email before you retrieve these emails to your email programs. It has a leaning filter but you can inspect all flagged emails prior to processing. Once you process, then good emails are either downloaded to your pc into your email program or deleted on the server and never make it onto your pc. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.99.29 on XP Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
128518 * IMAP configuration
Hello Stuart, Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:45:26 PM, you wrote: Hello Monsell, A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed on: Monday, January 28, 2008 at 20:15:10 GMT +0530 mmic as said previously, i triggered one filter to check with IMAP but it mmic is not automatically moved into filtered folder but only after mmic sometime that when manually done, it is moved. what may be the reason mmic for this? Under Account Properties/Mail Management/IMAP Fine Tune do you have Auto-Filtering selected? There is no auto-filtering item under the above. I use an older version of TB. Pleased to hear -- Best Regards Rizvi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Retrieving a deleted account
Hello TBUDL, I have successfully configured to work with IMAP. Works fine now. However, once the IMAP was configured I had moved all files and everything was ok, so I deleted the POP account, but i noticed that all my quick templates were stored in the POP account which was shared and now it is also deleted. I shall be thankful if you would assist me to retrieve this account or atleast the QTN file. -- best regards rizvi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
