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Greetings Oracle, I tried several times to send someone an email whose subject line read PayPal but none of the attempts were successful. It wasn't until I changed the subject line to read PP that it finally went through. Because of that I refrained from putting the word PayPal in the subject line of THIS email because I didn't want to chance that this email wouldn't get through. My method was to drag the original email from the SENT folder back to the OUTBOX folder and re-send it. TB! always showed the CONNECTION CENTER box sending the email. This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT mail folder every time I did this. It wasn't until I changed the subject line from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it. I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On 23 January 2013, 17:48, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT mail folder every time I did this. It wasn't until I changed the subject line from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it. This suggests that TB! successfully transmitted the message. That is wasn't getting through to the intended recipient suggests it was blocked en-route between the server TB! handed it to and the recipient's email client. I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur? Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal, that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that your message was falsely tagged as spam. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Geoff, On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote: GL On 23 January 2013, 17:48, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT mail folder every time I did this. It wasn't until I changed the subject line from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it. GL This suggests that TB! successfully transmitted the message. That is GL wasn't getting through to the intended recipient suggests it was GL blocked en-route between the server TB! handed it to and the GL recipient's email client. I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur? GL Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a GL little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam GL software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more GL such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal, GL that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that GL your message was falsely tagged as spam. GL HTH, Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct). After sending these several attempts I went directly to my email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and found no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the message. I'm not sure what to make of that. Thank you Geoff. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal, that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that your message was falsely tagged as spam. This is very true - but if an anti-spam filter reject messages based on the fact that the word PayPal is present in subject is a stupid anti-spam-filter. I mean, apparently it's stupid to you and me... but it is also *professionally stupid* - one would think a professional company had a better system running than that? The only plausible reason why a filter would block such a message Jack is talking about is if one Redirect / Delegate a message that was originally sent from PayPal. If the text is fully intact AND the anti- spam system found it to be suspicious (looks like a phishing attempt) AND the IP the Redirected / Delegated message is now coming from is not in the IP-range PayPal is using to send mail, THEN one could expect a system to look at it with a suspicious mind and to consider it to be a possible phishing attempt. But blocking a message just because PayPal is present in Subject is just stupid. -- St - Musaic.Net mailto:listen2rea...@musaic.net Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello St, On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote: Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal, that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that your message was falsely tagged as spam. SMN This is very true - but if an anti-spam filter reject messages based SMN on the fact that the word PayPal is present in subject is a stupid SMN anti-spam-filter. I mean, apparently it's stupid to you and me... but SMN it is also *professionally stupid* - one would think a professional SMN company had a better system running than that? SMN The only plausible reason why a filter would block such a message SMN Jack is talking about is if one Redirect / Delegate a message that was SMN originally sent from PayPal. If the text is fully intact AND the anti- SMN spam system found it to be suspicious (looks like a phishing attempt) SMN AND the IP the Redirected / Delegated message is now coming from is not SMN in the IP-range PayPal is using to send mail, THEN one could expect a SMN system to look at it with a suspicious mind and to consider it to be a SMN possible phishing attempt. But blocking a message just because PayPal SMN is present in Subject is just stupid. Also it doesn't seem to be the case. After I responded to Geoff's message I sent myself a message with PayPal in the subject line and it went through just fine. Admittedly, the message body consisted simply of a salutation and sig. It may be that a message with PayPal in the subject line AND a fair amount of text in the body *might* trigger a block. More experimentation necessary. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 6:53:07 PM, in mid:1101239910.20130123125...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct). After sending these several attempts I went directly to my email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and found no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the message. I'm not sure what to make of that. ISPs and Webmail providers (except google) that I've used have usually not shown outgoing mail in their web interface that was not sent from the web interface. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Dreams come true on this side of the Rainbow too! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 7:00:04 PM, in mid:1681765046.20130123130...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: After I responded to Geoff's message I sent myself a message with PayPal in the subject line and it went through just fine. It's probably getting out OK but being blocked (or diverted to a bulk or spam folder) by the recipient's email provider. Some providers make it hard to determine the settings to turn off spam filtering/blocking. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello MFPA, On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote: M Hi M On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 6:53:07 PM, in M mid:1101239910.20130123125...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct). After sending these several attempts I went directly to my email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and found no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the message. I'm not sure what to make of that. M ISPs and Webmail providers (except google) that I've used have usually M not shown outgoing mail in their web interface that was not sent from M the web interface. Yeah, I kinda figured it was something like that. Thanks M. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote: JSL Greetings Oracle, JSL I tried several times to send someone an email whose subject line read PayPal JSL but none of the attempts were successful. It wasn't until I changed the subject JSL line to read PP that it finally went through. Because of that I refrained JSL from putting the word PayPal in the subject line of THIS email because I JSL didn't want to chance that this email wouldn't get through. JSL My method was to drag the original email from the SENT folder back to the OUTBOX JSL folder and re-send it. TB! always showed the CONNECTION CENTER box sending the JSL email. This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT JSL mail folder every time I did this. It wasn't until I changed the subject line JSL from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it. JSL I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of JSL retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur? AARRRGGGHHH! I was sending the aforementioned emails to my wife who, unbeknownst to me, had a PayPal folder in her TB!, *AND* a filter which routed all emails with that subject line to that PayPal folder, which was offscreen every time I looked at it. All of the emails went through. My sincerest apologies to the List and most heartfelt thanks to all who tried to solve this non-problem. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
