Re[2]: Unusual spam

2004-01-07 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 12:18:07 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Joseph N. wrote:

JN Techniques like you described are common devices intended to fool spam
JN tools that analyze text content in message bodies. Usually, though,
JN words like you described are followed by the real message or links.
JN It's possible that the mail you received had web bugs you couldn't
JN see, or other links.


Excuse me if this is old news, but a technique I see a lot of is white text in the 
HTML part with the links and whatever; most people (I guess) use a white background 
and don't see it. I came across it expereimenting with a coloured background (ugh!)

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Re: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives

2003-11-11 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, November 10, 2003, 5:01:14 PM, we have reason to believe that 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tko Second, is there any other Bayesian spam plugin for TB? Are any planned?
tko What about non-Bayesian spam plugins?

tko I dropped K9 in favor of BayesIt (because I was going to use IMAP), but have
tko learned I did so prematurely. I like the idea of an integrated plugin, but
tko BayesIt is not ready for my use (blank dialogs, freezing, bugs).

There is another bayesian plug-in:

(from message id [EMAIL PROTECTED])
===
a new version from my open source plugin is ready and hopefully
working. Just download the packed file and follow the instructions
from readme.txt (YOU HAVE TO SCAN SOME MAILS FIRST TO GET IT WORKING!
THE INCLUDED DATABASE HAS NO NON SPAM (HAM) INFORMATIONS!!!).

http://www.lkcc.org:8500/download/bayesfilter.zip
===

It's working here OK.

Incidentally, I've had no problems with Bayesit - have you tried the latest version 
(0.4gm)?


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Re[3]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives

2003-11-11 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 3:15:27 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SC I  downloaded the program and installed it in TB, but how do I make it
SC scan anything?

Select some spam and use Specials, Mark as Junk; select some non-spam, and use 
Specials, Mark as not Junk.

I used around 50 of each. The non-spam came from a variety of folders to makse sure of 
a reasonable spread.

Refine activity via Options, Preferences, AntiSpam. The Average/Maximal/Minimal stuff 
only applies if you have more than one spam plug-in. I have my Move to Junk score 
set at 20, but that's not based on scientific evaluation. It just ended up there and 
works fine.


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Re[2]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives

2003-11-11 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 6:36:08 PM, we have reason to believe that 
John Phillips wrote:

JP Where should the Junk folder be placed?

JP Or should it be installed automatically?  (Because I do not have it!)

JP I presume by marking mail as Junk, it is automatically placed in
JP that folder?

Under Options, Preferences, Anti-Spam, there's an option to use the Common Junk 
Folder; levaing it unchecked creates a Junk folder in each account in which spam is 
detected (I think - I've only ever had it set checked).

The folder is created the first time the plug-in tries to put a message in it.

You'll see that you can choose whether to put items identified as spam in the junk 
folder, in which case they're automatically moved, delete them (self-explanatory) or 
do nothing.

Hope this makes sense.

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Re[2]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives

2003-11-11 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 7:51:32 PM, we have reason to believe that 
John Phillips wrote:

JP BTW would a white list also be a helpful thing?

That's a subject of much debate; if you're able to keep it up-to-date, I'd say yes. I 
don't use one myself: I'm not disciplined or organised enough to ensure it's always 
up-to-date, and I'd rather have a bit more spam than worry about false positives. I 
should say that neither BayesIt nor the newer Bayesian plug-in have ever given me 
false positives, and I get maybe 10 spams a week that they don't pick up straight away 
(as opposed to around 450 a week that they do pick up).

The ones that get away are where the spammer's tried an new style/format: don't forget 
that a Bayesian filter needs examples to work from. If someone comes up with something 
completely new, it won't be recongised, and you have to tell the filter what it is.

JP Is there such a plug in?

I don't believe so, although ISTR some discussion about one in the future


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Oddity - replying sens empty message

2003-09-29 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

In recent days, I've had messages telling me that my replies have come through like 
this:


Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:24:38 +0100
   From: Nick Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Syncing Questions (I'm a testing Ecco for
the 1st time)



[This message is not in displayable format]



That is, there's no body. The problem has occurred with a Yahoo Group mailing list. 
Has anyone come across this? The problem might be with Yahoo, or with the receiving 
mail client (haven't investigated that yet), but I wondered whether there might be 
anything in TB! that anyone knew of.

FWIW, I've been using the Windows editor (proportional fonts), and I'd never come 
across this in Bat versions eralier than 2.

Any help appreciated; thanks in advance


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Re[2]: Oddity - replying sens empty message

2003-09-29 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, September 29, 2003, 11:35:49 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

NG That is, there's no body. The problem has occurred with a Yahoo
NG Group mailing list. Has anyone come across this? The problem
NG might be with Yahoo, or with the receiving mail client

MDP (It's the latter). The recipient can't decode the Base64 encoding.
MDP Maybe because a routing server is removing the Encoding header from
MDP the message on the way (either from you to Yahoo or from Yahoo to
MDP the recipient).

Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense

NG (haven't investigated that yet), but I wondered whether there
NG might be anything in TB! that anyone knew of.

MDP Not TB's fault but you can compensate for it. Switch from base 64 to
MDP Quoted printable encoding.

Will do - and thanks again

Nick



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Re[2]: Problem importing 'lost' messages

2003-08-31 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Sunday, August 31, 2003, 12:07:38 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM Too bad. I just tried it here and it is indeed a way to move messages.
PM This makes me suspect that your backup files may be somehow corrupted...


I think you're right; however, when I open them in a text editor, the contents are 
clearly visible, with headers. More though needed 

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Problem importing 'lost' messages

2003-08-31 Thread Nick Gordon
Any help appreciated

I re-ran filters on my Inbox (has just imprted some messages from another mail client) 
and the filter deleted the lot (more work required, I think!)

Anyway, I still have intact .tbb and .tbi files in the relevant directory. I copied 
thema away and tried to reimport, and I get 0 messages imported. Rebuilding (via CTRL, 
ALT, SHIFT, L) doesn't have any effect either.

Any suggestions (other than opening the .tbb file in a text processor and manually 
reconstructing)?

Thanks all.

Incidentally, although I'm using a beta, I'm starting on the assumption that this is 
my screw-up rather than a beta problem; that's why I'm posting to the main list rather 
than the beta list.




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Re[2]: Problem importing 'lost' messages

2003-08-31 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Sunday, August 31, 2003, 2:56:40 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Roelof Otten wrote:

RO Delete the tbi file. That's the index file. Until you compress the
RO folder, the messages are only marked as deleted. That marking is done
RO in the .tbi file.

RO Another option is to select your folder and go via the menu to:
RO  folder - browse deleted messages
RO Here you can see the deleted messages and undelete them.


OK, problem solved via a combination of this and Pixie's orginal idea.

I copied the .tbb away from my Inbox, created a new folder, copied the .tbb into the 
directory for that folder and then did a Browse for deleted messages. I now seem to 
have all of them back.

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Re: Bounce Filter ?

2003-01-24 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Friday, January 24, 2003, 3:38:27 AM, we have reason to believe that 
~John wrote:

~ Is it possible to Bounce E-Mail in TheBat! kind of like the way
~ MailWasher does ?


There's some fairly recent discussion about this in the archives.
IIRC, the question came up twice in a short period in
November/December, and generated a lot of discussion, both on the
principle and the technicalities. If you search the archives for
bounce, you should find it.

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Re: Can you Bounce Mail with theBat! ?

2003-01-24 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Friday, January 24, 2003, 2:58:32 PM, we have reason to believe that 
~John wrote:

~ I simply want to know if it is possible to fake a bounced e-mail from
~ theBat! ?


Why not create an autoreply template which shows sender as
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and a filter to use it against any
offending senders?

As others have noted, it's not a proper bounce, but maybe it's enough
for what you want.

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Re: Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat

2003-01-18 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 7:15:00 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Robert Silver wrote:

RS I  doubt  anyone  will complaint if the bat introduced the following
RS   improvements:
RS   Web page viewing Option
RS   Web Page Editing option
RS   NNTP USENET News Reader Option

People have already complained, so I imagine it's safe to assume they
will carry on complaining.

If the developers do all this, they'll just be moving closer to
Outlook Express. Since OE is free and the Bat isn't, I'd say that was
a worse position to be in. Then there's the fact that enhanced HTML
functionality will open The Bat to many of the same security weakness
as OE, and you have a debatable strategy IMO

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Re[2]: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

2003-01-17 Thread Nick Gordon
Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:48:29 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF Fact is, the computer was invented by Conrad Zuse (Google has more
TF info on this German inventor), and HTML was invented by James Bernhard
TF Lee at CERN in Switzerland.


Tim Berners Lee, I think.

Hadn't known about Zuse - interesting. Anyway, both Sperry (Univac) in
the US and Lyons in the UK predated IBM, as maybe did others.

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Re: TB Rebooted My Computer

2002-10-02 Thread Nick Gordon

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 1:56:39 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Chris Montgomery wrote:

CM I just typed a short message to my father and attached two Excel (.xls)
CM files to it. When I clicked on the Send the letter icon, my computer
CM rebooted. After it restarted, I sent a test message to myself with the
CM two attached files and then successfully sent the message with files to
CM my father.

CM Anyone else seen behavior like that? It was weird, like pressing the
CM reset button on the front of my computer.


I've seen something like it, but not with TB. It was a while ago, and
IIRC it was some kind of dial-up problem. Is it possible that the
problem arises when TB connects (however you do that in your case) to
the network to send the message. That might indicate a problem in the
network/modem/usb/serial drivers.

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Re: Missing Bat window - Help ?

2002-07-08 Thread Nick Gordon

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, July 8, 2002, 8:30:28 PM, we have reason to believe that Thomas 
M.  Corrigan wrote:

TMC Hi. I've been using The Bat for several months now (registered and all).
TMC Today the main window seems to have disapeared, and I can't get it back.
TMC (this plea for help is from PMMail)

TMC Restore from the toolbar icon shows nothing. No move option available.
TMC I've closed and re-opened it many times. Never shows up on my desktop
TMC anymore, but it's icon is there in the toolbar.


It sounds like it's moved off the desktop somehow. Try move and
using the keyboard arrow keys to see if you can shift it back

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Re: Mailto: and .VCF associations destroyed

2001-11-21 Thread Nick Gordon

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, November 21, 2001, 8:37:29 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Jake Bramhall wrote:

JB theBat version 1.53d seems to have severed the relationship between Outlook
JB and the mailto: link in browsers as well as the .VCF file association.  They
JB are not pointing to theBat, but they are causing erratic behavior.  Where
JB can I reassociate the mailto: and .VCF with Outlook?


The mailto: association should come back if you select the option in
Outlook to make it your default email program. You can also do this
via IE.

If that doesn't bring back the .vcf association, you can use the File
Types dialog in Windows to point .vcf at Outlook. How it's done
depends on your windows version.

Or you can reinstall OL (or in OL2K or later use Detect and Repair

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Re: The Bat and XP?

2001-10-27 Thread Nick Gordon

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Saturday, October 27, 2001, 3:31:48 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Richard Lane wrote:

RL Just a quicky. I've just bought WindowsXP (Home Edition), although I haven't
RL installed it yet. Anyone else here running XP? is the Bat OK? I sure hope
RL so.

RL TIA.


Yes (I'm running XP)
Yes (The Bat's OK)

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Re: message.att?

2001-09-12 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, September 12, 2001, 8:51:46 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Vincent - D. Ertner wrote:

VDE Hi Co-Batties,

VDE I guess it has been asked already, but I didn't find a hint:
VDE What does message.att contain, when I receive a message from
VDE an OUtlook-User?

VDE And even more important: What can I tell the Outlook-User
VDE how to disable this feature?

VDE Cheers,

VDE Vince


Can't remember all the details, but it's an artefact of the way OL
formats messages. There's a freeware program called Fentun (search
google for fentun which deals very neatly with the problem.

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Unreadable attachments

2001-04-11 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,


I've recently started to get a high proportion of messages with an
attachment always named message.att,

IIRC, this is an Outlook-generated thing. Can someone please remind me
how it's caused so that I can suggest my Outlook correspondents cahnge
their setup (or, of course, their mail clients).

Thanks in advance

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Re[2]: Unreadable attachments

2001-04-11 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 4:58:24 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Dierk Haasis wrote:

 I've recently started to get a high proportion of messages with an
 attachment always named message.att,

 IIRC, this is an Outlook-generated thing. Can someone please remind me
 how it's caused so that I can suggest my Outlook correspondents cahnge
 their setup (or, of course, their mail clients).

DH RTF-sent messages (or HTML, where it is not required)?


That was it! Thanks a lot

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Re[2]: Unreadable attachments

2001-04-11 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 5:04:59 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Marek Mikus wrote:

 I've recently started to get a high proportion of messages with an
 attachment always named message.att,

 IIRC, this is an Outlook-generated thing. Can someone please remind me
 how it's caused so that I can suggest my Outlook correspondents cahnge
 their setup (or, of course, their mail clients).

MM MS Exchange uses own encoding type named MS-TNEF. If is possible to
MM change it to Base64, then will be problem solved.

MM If not, You can use program named FENTUN, which is able to decode them.
MM You can try to download it from this location:
MM ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/utilities/fentun.zip


Thanks for the pointer to Fentun - works a treat.

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Re[2]: proper english or not?

2001-03-02 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 8:09:15 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Fred Weissman wrote:

FW "Organization" with a "z" is -American- English, while "organisation" with
FW a "s" is the Queen's English - English as spoken (spelled) in the United
FW Kingdom.


"z" is for words of Greek origin, "s" for words of Latin origin - or
the other way round perhaps - the important thing IMHO is that one be
consistent, or conziztent, but not consiztent nor conzistent.
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Re[2]: Using The Bat 1.49 with proxy

2001-02-19 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, February 19, 2001, 9:54:44 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Olga Matskovsky wrote:

OM Thank you Serge!
OM It is http proxy.
OM When I use internet (open microsoft internet explorer)
OM I get "authentication" window to insert name and
OM password of proxy user.
OM In The Bat I didn't found any place to insert this
OM name and password.
OM Therefore, The Bat can't connect to internet (to my
OM email server).

OM Thank you!


What do your colleagues do for their email? They presumably must have
had to change their client set-up when the proxy was installed; if you
can find out what changes they made, we could help to replicate them
in TB.

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PGP 7x plug-in possible disappointment

2001-02-19 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

For info


Phil Zimmerman's "resignation letter" from NAI (posted in
alt.pgp.security and by the ever-reliable Mr Andriash on the
PGP-basics list) suggests that NAI might not be releasing the source
code (or only some of it) for PGP 7x.

Those who are waiting for a plug-in might want to note this and make
their dispositions accordingly (i.e. not hold their breath :-) )


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Re[2]: PGP 7x plug-in possible disappointment

2001-02-19 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, February 19, 2001, 7:42:50 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

NG Those who are waiting for a plug-in might want to note this and
NG make their dispositions accordingly (i.e. not hold their breath
NG :-) )

MDP There are alternative avenues being pursued as we speak (write?).


Spiffing! Thanks

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Re[2]: Importing Outlook Contacts

2001-02-16 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Friday, February 16, 2001, 9:13:05 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Thomas wrote:

T Wow. Someone told me the MS products are for people who know not much
T about computers. I have never used OL or OE, but what you say there
T sounds so complicated that I'd rather use The Bat!. Thanks for scaring
T me off of MS.


To be scrupulously fair to MS, if you're only going to use either OL
or OE for your email, you're not going to encounter this kind of
complexity. Funnily enough, the people who have the problem are the
semi-power-users

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Re: Export from hotmail??

2001-02-15 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Thursday, February 15, 2001, 2:23:25 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Johan Svahn wrote:

JS A friend of mine has lots of emails stored in a Hotmail account? She
JS wants to save those emails somewhere else (the account id getting full) than in 
the hotmail-account.
JS How can this be done?  Hotmail seems to be lacking the export feature
JS yahoo has.


If she has Outlook Express v5 or above, she can set it up to download
her Hotmail, then she could delete it from the server and leave it in
OE or export it from there.

Or she could forward the Hotmail to another email address (hers or a
friends) and export/save it from there

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Re[3]: Export from hotmail??

2001-02-15 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Thursday, February 15, 2001, 3:34:18 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Johan Svahn wrote:

JS A friend of mine has lots of emails stored in a Hotmail account? She
JS wants to save those emails somewhere else (the account id getting full) than in 
the hotmail-account.
JS How can this be done?  Hotmail seems to be lacking the export feature
JS yahoo has.


NG If she has Outlook Express v5 or above, she can set it up to download
NG her Hotmail, then she could delete it from the server and leave it in
NG OE or export it from there.

JS Ys, I considered this. But is it possible to export from OE into a
JS generic format or a different hotmail account?

No, but you *can* import to The Bat!, and then export in a variety of
formats.

NG Or she could forward the Hotmail to another email address (hers or a
NG friends) and export/save it from there

JS But there are hundreds of emails. Forwarding one by one takes ages.

True, but you could combine the 2 options: download the messages to
OE, then select them all and forward them - they'll get forwarded as a
single message with all the forward messages attached. In actual fact,
you probably be better forwarding in groups up to about 50 messages if
you did this.





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Re[2]: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

2001-02-14 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 7:53:43 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Thomas wrote:

T I would have thought so, but I hit Relaod and crtl-Reload in both IE
T and NS. How else can you force the browser to not load a cached copy?


Maybe the cache is at your ISP?

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Re[3]: TB! v1.49 - autoreply delete msg

2001-02-05 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, February 05, 2001, 2:44:42 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Jamie Dainton wrote:

JD I use one similar for USENET. OT for a second, surely there must be a
JD better newsreader than Agent 1.82 32bit. I've been using it for a
JD while and miss all the features that are in e-mail programs. Does
JD anyone know of anything better?


The obvious alternative is Gravity (now at v2.3). It has good features
and a reasonable look (matter of taste, I know).

2 big disadvantages (for an Agent user):

 You can't create folders in which to organise stuff you want to keep
 You can't set up multiple instances for multiple servers the way you
 can in Agent. This means you can only connect to one server at a
 time.

 There's a trial at www.microplanet.com

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Re[3]: I just want the filters to work

2001-01-29 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Monday, January 29, 2001, 7:19:58 PM, we have reason to believe that 
Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:

PJFS I checked the filter and I have it set for: sender yes, recipient yes,
PJFS kludges yes, and any where

That's the problem: you should only have one set (sender, or
recipient, or kludges). As you have it, the filter means ALL have to
be met for it to work

Hope this helps



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Re[2]: message preview

2001-01-19 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Marck,

Thursday, January 18, 2001, 10:23:50 PM, you wrote:

MDP FYI - the bad wrapping above is caused by allowing PGP to reformat the
MDP message  when  signing. For the best results, turn off wrapping in the
MDP PGP preferences when using PGP with TB.

Noted and done - thanks

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Re[3]: message preview

2001-01-18 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Dave,

Thursday, January 18, 2001, 5:51:37 PM, you wrote:


DG Well, it was worth a try :)  I even downloaded  installed 1.49,
and still the
DG preview pane (pain?) top border is unmovable.  BTW, if this means
anything at
DG all -- when I try to drag the border down (making the preview
section smaller)
DG the black horizontal "drag" line moves, but upon releasing the
mouse button
DG there is no change in the window size.  When dragging up (making
the preview
DG window larger), there is not even a black "drag" line.

It sounds to me like a .dll problem. I imagine that Delphi (in which
TB is written) uses standard Windows libraries for stuff like window
resizing. Have you had this problem in any other software? Recently
installed new s/w or h/w? Made any other system changes?


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Re[5]: message preview

2001-01-18 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Dave,

Thursday, January 18, 2001, 6:22:58 PM, you wrote:

DG No hardware changes, unless you count moving to a different desk
:)

Ah! - Well there you have it; if you'd only told us in the first
place
:)

DG Software:  Installed Opera 5.02 over 5.01.  Installed TB! 1.49
over 1.48f
DG (although this was after the problem was already happening.)

DG No resizing problems in any other apps, including Outlook and
FreeAgent, both
DG with similar "pane" layouts.

The only thing I can suggest is uninstalling TB and reinstalling.
Other than that, no ideas. Sorry.




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Re: Creating HTML Message

2001-01-05 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Monbebe,

Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:34:22 AM, you wrote:

MA I'm searching 2 sort of tools to create complex HTML messages.

MA - First a software to do it, encode images, adding text message
MA and so that can link attachment multipart/related inline and not
MA from an HTTP server.

MA - a CGI software or url that can do this remotely. For example,
you
MA specify the text message the url of your HTML page, the From, To,
MA Subject and other needed fields, and the message is sent
MA automatically to the receiver, encoded in the same condition as
MA specified before.

I'm afraid I can't tell you what can do this, but I *can* tell you
that The Bat! won't. It's a plain text emailer with some basic HTL
reading and display features (deliberately basic, I should add)

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Re: Automatically add ppl you reply to in address book

2001-01-03 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Hermes,

Wednesday, January 03, 2001, 3:15:24 PM, you wrote:

H I am new to the list, and haven't found an
H answer in the FAQ, but was
H wandering how to do this ..

H Outlook has such a feature, and has the bat
H got it or is it possible
H to make such a thing with templates or so ?

Message, Specials, Add Sender/Recipient to address book.

Or

In the reply you're creating, click the little blue arrow at the far
right of the To: line (add to address book).

Or

There's probably a macro, but I don't really get those yet.

HTH

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Re: Difference between

2000-12-28 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello syv,

Wednesday, December 27, 2000, 4:50:24 AM, you wrote:

s What's the difference between compress and
s purge/compress.

s What gets purged?

Compress recovers space from messages you've already deleted; purge
deletes messages according to setting sin folder and account
properties. Purge/compress does both.

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Re[3]: Reply message question

2000-12-21 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Beat,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:39:10 PM, you wrote:

 Of course (he said mischievously), you
 could reverse the quote and
 comment in non-Bat list messages (by
 using folder templates), but
 leave it as it is for messages to the
 Bat lists. That way, no-one here
 would know about your wickedness!

BS :-)) What a phony guy... ;-)

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Re: Reply message question

2000-12-20 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Daniel,

Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:08:06 PM, you wrote:

DM I am not sure this is the correct forum but
DM I can't figure out when I
DM hit reply how to put my reply at the top of
DM the message and the
DM message I received at the bottom. Currently
DM my message appears at the
DM bottom. I have looked at the FAQ and I
DM think my question is too
DM elementary to be there and I looked in the
DM help and I think it might
DM have to do with the reply template, but I
DM couldn't see where I edit or
DM view all these macros. thanks.

If you look at the reply template, it says:

%QUOTES
%CURSOR

and so it quotes the message first, then places the cursor after the
quote.

You could simply reverse these 2 and have your comments come before
the cursor BUT I believe this is one of those areas in which opinions
are divided and strong. Others on the list have more knowledge and
stronger views than me, but in summary, some people don't like the
comment first.

My preferred method (about which I'm not a zealot, nor indeed
especially scrupulous in practice) is to place my comments at the end
of short messages, and to intersperse comments on individual points in
longer messages thus:

Point A

 Comment on A

Point B

Comment on B

and so on.

Of course (he said mischievously), you could reverse the quote and
comment in non-Bat list messages (by using folder templates), but
leave it as it is for messages to the Bat lists. That way, no-one here
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Re: the sent folder

2000-12-18 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Fusiontunes,

Monday, December 18, 2000, 2:27:13 PM, you wrote:

F Hello, 
F How does one send an e-mail "without"
F having a copy
F of  it  sent to your "sent" folder..??  Can
F I just
F delete the sent folder..??
F Fusiontunes,
F The Fusion Violinist

How about a filter on outgoing mail that deletes the message?

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Re[3]: (No Subject)

2000-12-18 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Jan,

Monday, December 18, 2000, 1:06:30 PM, you wrote:

Allie [...] I have personally not
Allie disabled TB!'s warning messages
Allie except for those file types
Allie which I know are safe. I'd rather
Allie deal with
Allie the pop-up [...]

JR   Where/what are these pop up warning msgs?
JR Thanks.

The one that appears when you double-click an attached file, warning
of viruses and offering to save the file to disk instead of opening
it.

Ypu can disable it for any file extension you choose by fiddling with
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Re[2]: Multiple e mails

2000-12-11 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Edward,

Monday, December 11, 2000, 6:20:20 AM, you wrote:

ET All very misleading... when the
ET discussion list that supports the
ET software
ET opposes the basic premise on what
ET the software is supposed to be
ET doing.

That's a little unfair, I think. The general content of replies to
your questions has been "Here are ways to do what you want (or
reasons you can't) and BTW don't send spam 'cos it's not nice"

None of that's a dig against business-to-customer communications,
which, in my limited experience, The Bat! handles extremely well.

It's true that some list members of a more, shall we say,
traditionalist disposition, might come over as a bit curmudgeonly, but
don't mistake that for ranting zealotry and *certainly* don't let it
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Re[2]: Folder-specific privacy settings?

2000-12-08 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Kari,

Thursday, December 07, 2000, 6:54:58 PM, you wrote:

KJ D'oh! I'm too fast for my keyboard... ;-) I know of an overclocking
KJ tool for the PS/2 bus for the mouse but is there a. o/c'ing tool
KJ for the PS/2 keyboard also? ...muahaha...

Maybe you could underclock yourself.

Anyway, I *like* the idea of singing when completed

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Folder-specific privacy settings?

2000-12-06 Thread Nick Gordon

Good people (and knowledgeable too, I trow)

Abject apologies if this is in the
oh-no-not-that-old-question-again-why-don't-they-rtfm-or-at-least-the-FAQ-and-help-file
 category, but:

Is there a way to make privacy setting folder-specific. For example,
most of the business email I send I want to PGP sign, so I have the
"Sign when completed" option checked. But I don't want
to sign most of what I send to mailing lists (this one, for one), so
each time I have to remember to uncheck "Sign when completed".

So (because this is obviously *far* too much effort in today's all-go
society), I'd like to be able set this and other privacy options
differently for different folders (or at least for the templates.

All answers gratefully received, thanks

  

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Re[2]: Folder-specific privacy settings?

2000-12-06 Thread Nick Gordon

Hello Kari,

Wednesday, December 06, 2000, 8:33:31 PM, you wrote:

KJ This way you could disable "Sing when completed" by default.

"Sing when completed"? I like the sound of that (ouch!)

Oh - and thanks

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Re: Images embeded in HTML doesn't display.

2000-11-24 Thread Nick Gordon

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Hello Ratty,

Thursday, November 23, 2000, 9:28:57 PM, you wrote:

RL Hello,

RL I have been having this problem and regardless of how much hair I pull
RL out, I cannot get to the bottom of it:

RL In HTML-based emails that have embeded images, the images don't
RL display. Instead I see an "exclamation picture".

RL I am running the latest version, and I have re-installed... HOWEVER, I
RL have since re-imported all of the old emails...

RL Thanks,

RL David


I might get this all wrong (I'm new to The Bat! and this is my first
attempt to tell someone else what's going on, but I believe this is by
design. Most HTML mail doesn't actualy embed the image in the mail,
but instead embeds an instruction to go to the web and fetch the image
when the mail is opened (or previewed).

The Bat! deliberately doesn't honour embedded instructions (you could
call them programs without being too wrong) like this,
because this is the vehicle used by email viruses and worms to ask
your system to do things that (a) tou don't know about and (b) you
might not want done if you did.

If I've got this wrong, someone please tell me (but I hope I haven't)

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